AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Jim05]

Kym and Uby must have the same script writers!

Cut and paste
Pathetic

[CUTTERMAN]

Pffft.
I'm smelling bullshit!

[LPH]

I responded immediately to that email.
Pathetic attempt to 'quiet' those of us who are against this.
Outlined that I would remove my support of the club both physically & financially should they vote in favour.
I am not stupid enough to think he might care about my position but at least it will not come as a surprise.

Now that I see there's a 'cut & paste' - I feel that's what was decided last night.
Isn't it interesting that they are so out of touch (or they are treating us with no respect whatsoever) that they can send this email to both sets of supporters & not think it will be discussed on here or anywhere else?

[therisingblues]

Does anyone feel that each club president or for that matter any of the clubs presidents will call an extraordinary GM to put it to a members vote?

I don't know about a vote but I would like individual clubs to provide some type of formal means for Members to inform them of their views.

I have asked our club to do that and they are "considering" that in some forum or via written information. One Board member told me that the membership base needs to have faith in the current Board to make the right decision in the end but there are a couple on the Board including our President are hard pressed making any sort of decision unless guided by others and are heavily reliant on others making the decisions because they really don't have a clue!

You could've replied with, "What, like religion?"

[wild dog]

Kym and Uby must have the same script writers!

Cut and paste
Pathetic

If the script is bad, at least have a decent editor. This is starting to read like a sell out.

[JK]

"Integrity" and "Relevance" are very grey, would be nice to know specifically how the clubs/SANFL believe these objectives can be met.

Also, this bit .. I would like to underline that the West Adelaide Football Club in consultation with the SANFL and the other clubs will make the decision that is in the best interests of our club, our members, our league and the South Australian football community.

Fails to mention in consultation with the members

Not having a crack at just West btw, just using their publication as an example - I expect the same spin from most if not all clubs.

[csbowes]

My bet is the clubs will NOT seek input from the members...

... and will definitely vote in favour.

Consulting members interferes with their grandiose plans.

[beenreal]

"Integrity" and "Relevance" are very grey, would be nice to know specifically how the clubs/SANFL believe these objectives can be met.

Also, this bit .. I would like to underline that the West Adelaide Football Club in consultation with the SANFL and the other clubs will make the decision that is in the best interests of our club, our members, our league and the South Australian football community.

Fails to mention in consultation with the members

Not having a crack at just West btw, just using their publication as an example - I expect the same spin from most if not all clubs.

And they've done exactly that. They consulted with each other to put out matching media releases.

[on the rails]

In the 'Tiser today:

CROWS: Rob Chapman is pushing the line re how much extra $$$ the inclusion of the Crows wil bring into the comp. Statements saying that they would bring an extra 3000 fans to each game and that equates to an extra $40K per game for each game and they will always be the away team however he admits he hasn't actually done any proper financial analysis re his claims! Also we are still yet to hear from the Crows where their top up players actually appear from and how that will be managed? Crows only want a stand-alone 1 side.

PORT: Port of course want to keep present structure with an article from Keith Thomas almost pleading to keep the Magpies. It appears that to maintain a "level playing field" for both bid entries then the Magpies and their SANFL structure is dead.

My thoughts: No club has it appears talked of any payment one off or ongoing to join the SANFL. My mail is that neither want to pay a cent although the Crows have put up the financial model I mentioned earlier in the post but I can't see a Crows Reserves side dragging in an extra 3000 people a week? Those present Crows fans who are supporters of the SANFL presently attend and follow their SANFL clubs, the rest of the Crows fans couldn't care less so why would that majority get excited about having to travel all over suburbia to watch a team of fringe players with some non-aligned top up players at extra cost to them as supporters? We will end up like a VFL scenario with bugger all crowds watching. My mail also tells me that despite Chapman saying he has had a paper ready to go for a few weeks, there is no real option in that paper re top up players. This is a real issue for the Crows and it appears they are having trouble coming up with viable options to present let alone to be voted on? Having said that we have to wait until they actually table something to be fair?

Funny that other than Rucci and despite the obvious media games both AFL Clubs are playing to garnish support there has been no option even talked about re top up players when it comes to either club. Port relying on keeping their Magpie model but if that goes as expected what is their plan B and that includes top up players? Crows just keep telling us they want 1 stand-alone team – we know that so tell us how it will work etc. FFS!

[heater31]

Maybe Chapman thinks that when the Crows play away or are playing a different match day to the SANFL side is when the increased attendance will occur.

seriously doubt it, as most AFL fans already have their own SANFL club and attend matches already when the crows are playing away.

[whufc]

In the 'Tiser today:

CROWS: Rob Chapman is pushing the line re how much extra $$$ the inclusion of the Crows wil bring into the comp. Statements saying that they would bring an extra 3000 fans to each game and that equates to an extra $40K per game for each game and they will always be the away team however he admits he hasn't actually done any proper financial analysis re his claims! Also we are still yet to hear from the Crows where their top up players actually appear from and how that will be managed? Crows only want a stand-alone 1 side.

PORT: Port of course want to keep present structure with an article from Keith Thomas almost pleading to keep the Magpies. It appears that to maintain a "level playing field" for both bid entries then the Magpies and their SANFL structure is dead.

My thoughts: No club has it appears talked of any payment one off or ongoing to join the SANFL. My mail is that neither want to pay a cent although the Crows have put up the financial model I mentioned earlier in the post but I can't see a Crows Reserves side dragging in an extra 3000 people a week? Those present Crows fans who are supporters of the SANFL presently attend and follow their SANFL clubs, the rest of the Crows fans couldn't care less so why would that majority get excited about having to travel all over suburbia to watch a team of fringe players with some non-aligned top up players at extra cost to them as supporters? We will end up like a VFL scenario with bugger all crowds watching. My mail also tells me that despite Chapman saying he has had a paper ready to go for a few weeks, there is no real option in that paper re top up players. This is a real issue for the Crows and it appears they are having trouble coming up with viable options to present let alone to be voted on? Having said that we have to wait until they actually table something to be fair?

Funny that other than Rucci and despite the obvious media games both AFL Clubs are playing to garnish support there has been no option even talked about re top up players when it comes to either club. Port relying on keeping their Magpie model but if that goes as expected what is their plan B and that includes top up players? Crows just keep telling us they want 1 stand-alone team – we know that so tell us how it will work etc. FFS!

I would love to know where he has pulled that figure from, surely our board members have seen the crowds the likes of Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn and Carlton can attract for their reserves and have called bullshit on his figure.

[holden78]

In the 'Tiser today:

CROWS: Rob Chapman is pushing the line re how much extra $$$ the inclusion of the Crows wil bring into the comp. Statements saying that they would bring an extra 3000 fans to each game and that equates to an extra $40K per game for each game and they will always be the away team however he admits he hasn't actually done any proper financial analysis re his claims! Also we are still yet to hear from the Crows where their top up players actually appear from and how that will be managed? Crows only want a stand-alone 1 side.

PORT: Port of course want to keep present structure with an article from Keith Thomas almost pleading to keep the Magpies. It appears that to maintain a "level playing field" for both bid entries then the Magpies and their SANFL structure is dead.

My thoughts: No club has it appears talked of any payment one off or ongoing to join the SANFL. My mail is that neither want to pay a cent although the Crows have put up the financial model I mentioned earlier in the post but I can't see a Crows Reserves side dragging in an extra 3000 people a week? Those present Crows fans who are supporters of the SANFL presently attend and follow their SANFL clubs, the rest of the Crows fans couldn't care less so why would that majority get excited about having to travel all over suburbia to watch a team of fringe players with some non-aligned top up players at extra cost to them as supporters? We will end up like a VFL scenario with bugger all crowds watching. My mail also tells me that despite Chapman saying he has had a paper ready to go for a few weeks, there is no real option in that paper re top up players. This is a real issue for the Crows and it appears they are having trouble coming up with viable options to present let alone to be voted on? Having said that we have to wait until they actually table something to be fair?

Funny that other than Rucci and despite the obvious media games both AFL Clubs are playing to garnish support there has been no option even talked about re top up players when it comes to either club. Port relying on keeping their Magpie model but if that goes as expected what is their plan B and that includes top up players? Crows just keep telling us they want 1 stand-alone team – we know that so tell us how it will work etc. FFS!

Spot on
The Cows are a JOKE! Phil Harper has said their board has had him working on this for at least a year or two yet they can only come up with the old line of your crowds will be way up and there is the BIG $.
We know that SANFL club recruiting will become a horror show with the Cows and Pork taking the cream with ease.
Does anyone really think North would have stood a chance in hell of snapping up Nathan Gordon if he could have been a top up on a sweet promise
The eight SANFL clubs will be looking at just recruiting from the Ammo's, Country or each other, therefore the comp has to drop it's standard .... tell me that's not compromised

[am Bays]

Chapman doesn't get it, the ones that are most likely to go and watch a Crows reserves games are those that already go to SANFL games and support an SANFL club - so it is more than feasible that a Crows reserves team will Rob (pun intended) existing SANFL clubs of a percentage of their supporter base.

"reserves" teams are not crowd pullers*, witness the SANFL in days gone by, AFl victoria. they only tway they get a crowd to Victoria park now is to make the game free (2-3 K) and even then they only get less than an average Glenelg game (3.2 K) and our fans pay.

People have so much extra to do these days with kids sport, watching their AFL team when they play (live or on the box) working people will make the choice to do other things on the weekend in that available 3 hrs to watch a reserves team play. not to mention the fans that will be lost ( I think Pseudo has said he wont watch a reserves team play - but I 'm not 100% sure ). Fans from other SANFL clubs feel the same too.

[Booney]

Coming to a head now, isn't it?

Adelaide seem to be less flexible than Port, although they have the money to explore other options. Port seem to have a structure to table to the SANFL clubs, Adelaide do not.

[Harry the Horse]

In the 'Tiser today:

CROWS: Rob Chapman is pushing the line re how much extra $$$ the inclusion of the Crows wil bring into the comp. Statements saying that they would bring an extra 3000 fans to each game and that equates to an extra $40K per game for each game and they will always be the away team however he admits he hasn't actually done any proper financial analysis re his claims! Also we are still yet to hear from the Crows where their top up players actually appear from and how that will be managed? Crows only want a stand-alone 1 side.

PORT: Port of course want to keep present structure with an article from Keith Thomas almost pleading to keep the Magpies. It appears that to maintain a "level playing field" for both bid entries then the Magpies and their SANFL structure is dead.

My thoughts: No club has it appears talked of any payment one off or ongoing to join the SANFL. My mail is that neither want to pay a cent although the Crows have put up the financial model I mentioned earlier in the post but I can't see a Crows Reserves side dragging in an extra 3000 people a week? Those present Crows fans who are supporters of the SANFL presently attend and follow their SANFL clubs, the rest of the Crows fans couldn't care less so why would that majority get excited about having to travel all over suburbia to watch a team of fringe players with some non-aligned top up players at extra cost to them as supporters? We will end up like a VFL scenario with bugger all crowds watching. My mail also tells me that despite Chapman saying he has had a paper ready to go for a few weeks, there is no real option in that paper re top up players. This is a real issue for the Crows and it appears they are having trouble coming up with viable options to present let alone to be voted on? Having said that we have to wait until they actually table something to be fair?

Funny that other than Rucci and despite the obvious media games both AFL Clubs are playing to garnish support there has been no option even talked about re top up players when it comes to either club. Port relying on keeping their Magpie model but if that goes as expected what is their plan B and that includes top up players? Crows just keep telling us they want 1 stand-alone team – we know that so tell us how it will work etc. FFS!

Crows want to use players not getting a regular league game at rival SANFL clubs as their top-up players. Can't see that being a popular move.
They are also considering keeping retired players around to play in their reserves team.
That could spell the end of the likes of say a Callinan going back to Central District. Again, not going to please the masses.

[am Bays]

In the 'Tiser today:

Funny that other than Rucci and despite the obvious media games both AFL Clubs are playing to garnish support there has been no option even talked about re top up players when it comes to either club. Port relying on keeping their Magpie model but if that goes as expected what is their plan B and that includes top up players? Crows just keep telling us they want 1 stand-alone team – we know that so tell us how it will work etc. FFS!

maybe the crows will sue the model teh Sydney Swans reserves team use, get players from local leagues to top up when they play away.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2013/06/21/322082_ntsport.html
The swans reserves are playing five Centralian community players in their team this weekend when they play NT Thunder in Alice. When the Crows reserves come to Brighton rd, maybe their top up players can come from Brighton DOS, Morphy Parks, SHOCs and Marion??

They play at Noarlunga, Hackham, Christies, Porties and Noarlunga.....

[am Bays]

Crows want to use players not getting a regular league game at rival SANFL clubs as their top-up players. Can't see that being a popular move.
They are also considering keeping retired players around to play in their reserves team.
That could spell the end of the likes of say a Callinan going back to Central District. Again, not going to please the masses.

I don't have a real problem with that, after all they are their players and as they come off a list make sense to give them one or two years extra by recruiting them, playing reasonable footy and earning a bit of coin, hopefully in the SANFL reserves!!

[Booney]

Crows want to use players not getting a regular league game at rival SANFL clubs as their top-up players. Can't see that being a popular move.
They are also considering keeping retired players around to play in their reserves team.
That could spell the end of the likes of say a Callinan going back to Central District. Again, not going to please the masses.

I don't have a real problem with that, after all they are their players and as they come off a list make sense to give them one or two years extra by recruiting them, playing reasonable footy and earning a bit of coin, hopefully in the SANFL reserves!!

I cant see too many 31-32 year olds who have been at AFL level for 6-8 years wanting to play on after they "retire".

Could any of us see Michael Doughty playing SANFL footy this year? I cant. Thats why he's off in the Southern (?) or country league.

[JK]

Crows want to use players not getting a regular league game at rival SANFL clubs as their top-up players. Can't see that being a popular move.
They are also considering keeping retired players around to play in their reserves team.
That could spell the end of the likes of say a Callinan going back to Central District. Again, not going to please the masses.

I don't have a real problem with that, after all they are their players and as they come off a list make sense to give them one or two years extra by recruiting them, playing reasonable footy and earning a bit of coin, hopefully in the SANFL reserves!!

How do transfer fee's work in that Callinan example should he want back to the Dogs?

[PhilH]

Well here is how I get to an extra 3,000 a week ....

with a 10th team we go from 4 to 5 games a week.

average crowd at an SANFL game is approx 3,000




This assumes (if all games at SANFL venues)

-home supporters come in similar numbers to this type of game

- the Crows supporters who turn up will match what a visting SANFL club would normally bring


And this is the assumption.... the VFL experience indicates it will not happen but is it a good example.