AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Dogwatcher]

South Eastern AFL

AFL clubs, or affiliated, from Vic and SA:

Collingwood
Essendon
Richmond
Geelong
Carlton
Geelong
Hawthorn
Melbourne
North Melbourne
Western Bulldogs
Adelaide
Port Adelaide

[CUTTERMAN]

So they want to play in the league but not reserves and they don't want to pay a license fee! WTF?
Same with Port, they demand to keep Port Magpies, use them as a reserves team, play for points, play for premierships, keep the juniors and zones, disregard any salary caps etc and give nothing back to the SANFL.
Sounds like a great deal!
Kindly ****off!

[Dogwatcher]

Imagine Cornesey, he'd be apopleptic if all of a sudden the SA teams were playing in another 'Victorian' competition.

[am Bays]

SANFL
VFL
NEAFL
SAAFL
SANFL RESERVES.

I would argue strongly the order of standard would be:

SANFL
VFL
SANFL Reserves
NEAFL
SAAFL

Only point of contention I would be prepared to argue is the order of the top 2.

SANFL Reserves trumps the NEAFL and SAAFL on the basis of fitness, and standard of players ranked 15-22 in any given team. I have no qualms in admitting that the best plaeyrs in A1-2s and NEAFL A grade teams could easily play SANFL league footy - but then so can the best players in each SANFL reserves team.

[Ronnie]

So they want to play in the league but not reserves and they don't want to pay a license fee! WTF?
Same with Port, they demand to keep Port Magpies, use them as a reserves team, play for points, play for premierships, keep the juniors and zones, disregard any salary caps etc and give nothing back to the SANFL.
Sounds like a great deal!
Kindly ****off!

Pretty much it, of course arrogance would never come into it.

I wonder what the Crows are up to, at least one of their personnel involved in all this is not up to it.
They're running out of time, no proposal as we get near to July, but we wan't to turn your comp upside down just for our convenience!

All they have been doing is running a campaign through the media so far.

[valleys07]

Yep. I've been spruiking, all along, that the solution is an AFL Reserves comp. It worked 15 years ago (with just Melbourne based teams, I admit) but as Jim05 pointed out above, what is stopping it from working again, on the national level.

I wouldnt be adverse to an AFL reserves comp either....

[Booney]

So they want to play in the league but not reserves and they don't want to pay a license fee! WTF?
Same with Port, they demand to keep Port Magpies, use them as a reserves team, play for points, play for premierships, keep the juniors and zones, disregard any salary caps etc and give nothing back to the SANFL.
Sounds like a great deal!
Kindly ****off!

Pretty much it, of course arrogance would never come into it.

I wonder what the Crows are up to, at least one of their personnel involved in all this is not up to it.
They're running out of time, no proposal as we get near to July, but we wan't to turn your comp upside down just for our convenience!

All they have been doing is running a campaign through the media so far.

Or is it the media asking questions of the right people at the right time? Running a campaign. Please.

[LPH]

Foxtel Cup Update: West Adelaide will play Claremont at AAMI Stadium in 2nd Semi-Final on Tuesday July 16th!

Is this the opportunity that those against the AFL in the SANFL need for a mass rally in protest?
2nd week of the School Holidays & an opportunity for ALL of those against this to put their case.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Foxtel Cup Update: West Adelaide will play Claremont at AAMI Stadium in 2nd Semi-Final on Tuesday July 16th!

Is this the opportunity that those against the AFL in the SANFL need for a mass rally in protest?
2nd week of the School Holidays & an opportunity for ALL of those against this to put their case.

Is that normally the best time for protest?

[dedja]

Much better than the first ...

[Macca19]

Yep. I've been spruiking, all along, that the solution is an AFL Reserves comp. It worked 15 years ago (with just Melbourne based teams, I admit) but as Jim05 pointed out above, what is stopping it from working again, on the national level.

Why hasn't anyone higher up pushed this agenda with the AFL?

The AFL was only just barely professional back then. Players still had jobs. Salary caps were nowhere near the level it is now.

I mentioned this a couple of weeks back but I think people are understating the effect an AFL reserves comp would have on the SANFL. Say goodbye to 50+ players if lists were increased. If it was just a supplementary list system, then how will that work? One week at AFL reserves, then back to the SANFL, then back to the AFL reserves again, then back to the SANFL again. How is that a better system than what we have now?

As has been mentioned, its also significantly more cost effective for the AFL to let the state leagues do the dirty work in organising reserves sides than having to put in millions of their own money to set it all up. I reckon they would see an AFL reserves comp as worst case scenario.

I reckon it would be best case scenario.

[whufc]

Yep. I've been spruiking, all along, that the solution is an AFL Reserves comp. It worked 15 years ago (with just Melbourne based teams, I admit) but as Jim05 pointed out above, what is stopping it from working again, on the national level.

Why hasn't anyone higher up pushed this agenda with the AFL?

The AFL was only just barely professional back then. Players still had jobs. Salary caps were nowhere near the level it is now.

I mentioned this a couple of weeks back but I think people are understating the effect an AFL reserves comp would have on the SANFL. Say goodbye to 50+ players if lists were increased. If it was just a supplementary list system, then how will that work? One week at AFL reserves, then back to the SANFL, then back to the AFL reserves again, then back to the SANFL again. How is that a better system than what we have now?

As has been mentioned, its also significantly more cost effective for the AFL to let the state leagues do the dirty work in organising reserves sides than having to put in millions of their own money to set it all up. I reckon they would see an AFL reserves comp as worst case scenario.

I reckon it would be best case scenario.

What i think some like yourself are forgetting though that if the AFL were to have a reserves comp and extend lists the extra players would more than likely be on some sort of underage scholarship scheme.

Currently rookie players are roughly on 40k a year. Say the AFL increases lists are clubs such as PA, MEL, WB, NM etc etc in a position to afford the extra 400K a year.

Thats not including the travel and costs of running an extra side as well.

If the AFL was to extend lists im pretty positive the 'top ups' would be something like 16-17 year olds who would only be part time footballers but would also be studying or on scholarships through the football club.

The other factor is how many people go to the SANFL because of the standard of football. If people wanted to see the highest standard they would go watch the AFL simple. I think most go to the SANFL because of family ties/history, loyalty to clubs they have supported for years, community feel, affordability etc etc.

The SANFL will never compete with the AFL in standard of football.

[Barto]

My mail from a reliable source close to the SANFL is the following pecking order for the Power & Crows

SANFL
VFL
NEAFL
SAAFL
SANFL RESERVES.

They're bonkers if they'd choose the SAAFL over the SANFL reserves.

[The Sleeping Giant]

My mail from a reliable source close to the SANFL is the following pecking order for the Power & Crows

SANFL
VFL
NEAFL
SAAFL
SANFL RESERVES.

They're bonkers if they'd choose the SAAFL over the SANFL reserves.

They're bonkers if they'd choose all of them ahead of the sanfl reserves.

[Macca19]

No doubt there are probably 5-6 clubs who would struggle to be able to afford an AFL reserves comp, unless the AFL bankroll it - hence why I think the AFL are doing everything to ensure they don't have to go down that path.

[whufc]

My mail from a reliable source close to the SANFL is the following pecking order for the Power & Crows

SANFL
VFL
NEAFL
SAAFL
SANFL RESERVES.

They're bonkers if they'd choose the SAAFL over the SANFL reserves.

They're bonkers if they'd choose all of them ahead of the sanfl reserves.

yep would seem pretty stupid to go spend all the extra coin to play in the NEAFL which would be of a similar standard to the SANFL reserves.

[Pseudo]

No doubt there are probably 5-6 clubs who would struggle to be able to afford an AFL reserves comp, unless the AFL bankroll it - hence why I think the AFL are doing everything to ensure they don't have to go down that path.

Then there are 5-6 clubs which have no place in a league which purports to be both commercial and national. Let the AFL have its reserves competition and let Darwinism sort the wheat from the chaff, rather than prostitute the SANFL to keep underperforming Victorian clubs afloat.

[kickinit]

from whats been coming out of melb I don't think the AFL are too keen on spending money at the moment.

[Mark_Beswick]

AFL don't want a ressies comp -

They know they have too many teams in Melbourne that need propping up at league level let alone funding their reserves AND the GWS will cost a mint for the next 20 years.

[holden78]

The Candy Crows love to dribble on when it's suits them about coming from the SANFL Clubs, but having them in our comp is merely their incestuous, greedy excuse for their numerous continued failures