AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Spargo]

While I can live with the reserves-reserves concept, there's always the danger that once they've got their foot in the door, they'll swan in sooner or later.

Inevitable.

[UK Fan]

Confirms SANFL as number 2 league in the land. Doubt wafl/vfl can lay claim now with afl reserves in their league

[whufc]

Reserves is fine by me.

will be ok with that for the sake of the league. Looks like the Magpies will just be a reserves side with any scenario so I will enjoy my last year of SANFL footy

Its a sad state that due to the AFL clubs arrogant attitude the SANFL will lose supporters either way this goes.

imho every state should be able to have a state league without the interference of the AFL (expanded VFL)

and you don't have a arrogant attitude by saying i'm not going to support my club if they play a afl reserves side.

Nope not arrogant at all, just not willing to put my time, money and effort into a club who is willing to become a puppet to the AFL.

Remember kickinit some supporters have opinions and don't just become mindless yes men like you are to the AFL comp

[Agile]

Speculation at this point, but if this is true, it spells the inevitable end of an entertaining strong Aussie Rules comp. in my humble opinion. Personally I will give it a couple of years to see how it pans out before I pull the pin on the Roosters.
The Vics have won the war. Classic pincer tactic, that has taken 23 years to conclude. Divide and conquer, and they have done it by the text book with a minimum of carnage on their side of the border.
Will be interesting to see how much cash the AFL throw at the SAFNL now. Couple of hundred million ? Like GWS and Gold Coast ? Yeah right

[on the rails]

I'm hearing its only entry into reserves sanfl clubs will allow. SANFL League is not on the table.

I have spoken to 2 x Presidents of SANFL Clubs in the last 24 hours and they along with the other 6 Presidents who get to decide have only agreed in due course and "informally" to look at the option of them playing in the RESERVES Comp nothing else at this stage despite the crap being bandied about in the media by the pro-AFL lobby. They are deadset against the League Comp option not matter how much "sh*t" the likes of Thomas and Sanderson sprout in the media! Sanderson's article the other day was a disgrace and funny how no one in Admin at the Crows (President / Dodgy CEO or the new Golden Boy COO) have come out to back it or support or to table soem proposal of sorts? Sanderson indicted in his article that he really didn't have a clue how it was to work but it would be good for having all their players together.

Our President at the first home game lunch lauched a scathing attack on the Power and Crows re this Reserves issues and declared openly that the NAFC are against the AFL Teams having Reserves Teams in our comp full stop. North will look at the Reserves Comp option as outlined by Rucci (good on him for at least having an option that could work in reality) as will the other clubs but to date neither the Power or Crows have put any sort of valid proposals / options to the SANFL. I suspect this is because there are so many logisitcal issues the 2 clubs haven't really thought about e.g. top up players, salary cap implications nor could they come up with a solution that would (1) work for them and (2) keep the SANFL clubs happy.

[FlyingHigh]

Common question on here is what benefit does it have for the SANFL, and there doesn't seem to be too many.
Unfortunately, I see it to the detriment of the quality of the games if the AFL players are removed.
But hopefully, after the Crows, Power, and a smaller extent, Gold Coast and GWS, there is nothing more that can be thrown at us to weaken the comp and we can focus on growing stronger from the base we'll be at.

[FlyingHigh]

ch 7 are reporting that the pressure the crows and power have done in the media have now made the sanfl clubs change their minds and will allow them into the league next year

Channel 7 telecasts AFL matches and thereby makes money from AFL interests.

Take anything presented as "truth" by channel 7 with a large sodium chloride crystal.

Channel 7 news is no better than Today Tonight or Current Affair any more IMO.

[CENTURION]

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[Pseudo]

I'm hearing its only entry into reserves sanfl ckubs will allow. SANFL League is not on the table.

They shouldn't be allowed in any level of SANFL football.....not even mini league

But if they did gain admittance to the mini league, we should insist that they wear the IGA jumper

[kickinit]

Thats where your wrong again, i do have proof the SANFL clubs enjoy having the AFL players come back to them which is from the hundreds of chats i have had to people involved in the CDFC (which posters who know me would know the people im talking about) as well as players like Ian Callinan who absolutely loving playing for the Dogs when they arent selected.

Anyway until you give benefits that are legitmate anything you post is null and void and nothing more than a kickinit opinion piece with nothing to back it up.

You are probably the poster on SAFooty who asks for people to provide evidence for their posts more than anyone else on this site yet not once have you posted anything with substanial proof/evidence or anything to back up your opinion/guess.

UNLIKE the many other posters on here who have produced evidence of history and other leagues which have been affected.

Like it has been said on here hundreds of times, the Power and the Crows are well within their rights to want and have a reserves side BUT there is absolutely no reason it has to be in the SANFL League competition.

The SANFL has been around for 130 odds years it doesnt need to take teams who are soley using it as a cost cutting exercise.
Oh well it will all come out in the wash.

what evidence have you given? that it's happen in the VFL and WAFL? now if you have so called evidence where is your evidence the same will happen here. You don't have any. It's all speculation as you can't predict the future. And what is so bad about the WAFL and VFL the supporters have turned away? well guess what you can do something about that can't you. But obviously you are like those supporters and are only thinking about yourself instead of supporting your club no what they do.

[whufc]

Thats where your wrong again, i do have proof the SANFL clubs enjoy having the AFL players come back to them which is from the hundreds of chats i have had to people involved in the CDFC (which posters who know me would know the people im talking about) as well as players like Ian Callinan who absolutely loving playing for the Dogs when they arent selected.

Anyway until you give benefits that are legitmate anything you post is null and void and nothing more than a kickinit opinion piece with nothing to back it up.

You are probably the poster on SAFooty who asks for people to provide evidence for their posts more than anyone else on this site yet not once have you posted anything with substanial proof/evidence or anything to back up your opinion/guess.

UNLIKE the many other posters on here who have produced evidence of history and other leagues which have been affected.

Like it has been said on here hundreds of times, the Power and the Crows are well within their rights to want and have a reserves side BUT there is absolutely no reason it has to be in the SANFL League competition.

The SANFL has been around for 130 odds years it doesnt need to take teams who are soley using it as a cost cutting exercise.
Oh well it will all come out in the wash.

what evidence have you given? that it's happen in the VFL and WAFL? now if you have so called evidence where is your evidence the same will happen here. You don't have any. It's all speculation as you can't predict the future. And what is so bad about the WAFL and VFL the supporters have turned away? well guess what you can do something about that can't you. But obviously you are like those supporters and are only thinking about yourself instead of supporting your club no what they do.

Have you seen what has happened to the VFL?
Have you been to a VFL game?
Have you not read the post on here from a VFL supporter who has seen their league be raped? Do your self a favour and look up the westar rules?

Once again that all added up equals alot more evidence than you have put down.

Are you that much of an idiot! Do you think these supporters who would have been extremly passionate about their football clubs would have walked away from them for no reason.

You may be happy in your exsistence being a yes man for the AFL and blindly following your club no matter what decision they make, doesnt make you any more of a supporter than another person who is an ex underage player, ex official, member and missed less than 10 games in 10 years.

Like i said the only reason the Crows/Power and the AFL want their reserves team in the SANFL is because it is the most cost effective way for them. It has nothing to do with winning the Thomas Seymour. Im not going to support a club who becomes nothing more than a puppet for the AFL.

You are the muppet here who is yet to put a list of benefits for the SANFL which is what this whole debate is about.

Now watch pullinit go on a rant about how everyone should just bend over and take it up the arse while he avoids to actually answer the question.

[whufc]

So far we have had two benefits from pullinit.

1/ no AFL players coming and going from team (from my knowledge at Centrals) this is one of the clubs favourite parts about the setup and they thoroughly enjoy having the likes of Callinan and Henderson come back and wear the red, white and blue.

2/ Financial- there is only 2 SANFL clubs who are that desperate they need to take the quick money grab, this is despite the SANFL having some briliant assests and IF they use correctly could help set up the rest of the clubs for a long period.

Should we sell our soul for that........................................mmm

[Mr Fuller]

So far we have had two benefits from pullinit.

1/ no AFL players coming and going from team (from my knowledge at Centrals) this is one of the clubs favourite parts about the setup and they thoroughly enjoy having the likes of Callinan and Henderson come back and wear the red, white and blue.

2/ Financial- there is only 2 SANFL clubs who are that desperate they need to take the quick money grab, this is despite the SANFL having some briliant assests and IF they use correctly could help set up the rest of the clubs for a long period.

Should we sell our soul for that........................................mmm

While I don't think it has been mentioned on this thread, another 'benefit' to the SANFL I heard from a caller on 5AA this morning was that it could potentially remove the bye from the fixture.

Seriously???

I burst out laughing when I heard this being used as a reason to allow the crows/power to enter the SANFL. Sure, in an ideal world there would be no byes. However, it really isn't that much of a concern from the perspective of supporters/players/clubs. Certainly not to the extent that we should allow the crows/power to take over a club and screw the rest of the competition for this so-called 'benefit'.

I would be interested to hear any other arguments that people have heard in favour of crows/reserves being in the SANFL. I don't think there would be that many more.

Seperately, I must applaud everyone on here that has taken proactive action and made efforts to contact officials at their club to express their concerns and to seek clarrification of their club's position on the matter. I too have emailed the president of the Eagles, to make my feelings known because I feel passionately about not allowing the power/crows into the SANFL league competition. It would be great if everyone keeps posting the information they receive from club offiicals on this issue.

While during the season a lot of rivalry exists between supporters of different clubs, its great to see SANFL supporters mostly all coming together in support of this.

[whufc]

So far we have had two benefits from pullinit.

1/ no AFL players coming and going from team (from my knowledge at Centrals) this is one of the clubs favourite parts about the setup and they thoroughly enjoy having the likes of Callinan and Henderson come back and wear the red, white and blue.

2/ Financial- there is only 2 SANFL clubs who are that desperate they need to take the quick money grab, this is despite the SANFL having some briliant assests and IF they use correctly could help set up the rest of the clubs for a long period.

Should we sell our soul for that........................................mmm

While I don't think it has been mentioned on this thread, another 'benefit' to the SANFL I heard from a caller on 5AA this morning was that it could potentially remove the bye from the fixture.

Seriously???

I burst out laughing when I heard this being used as a reason to allow the crows/power to enter the SANFL. Sure, in an ideal world there would be no byes. However, it really isn't that much of a concern from the perspective of supporters/players/clubs. Certainly not to the extent that we should allow the crows/power to take over a club and screw the rest of the competition for this so-called 'benefit'.

I would be interested to hear any other arguments that people have heard in favour of crows/reserves being in the SANFL. I don't think there would be that many more.

Seperately, I must applaud everyone on here that has taken proactive action and made efforts to contact officials at their club to express their concerns and to seek clarrification of their club's position on the matter. I too have emailed the president of the Eagles, to make my feelings known because I feel passionately about not allowing the power/crows into the SANFL league competition. It would be great if everyone keeps posting the information they receive from club offiicals on this issue.

While during the season a lot of rivalry exists between supporters of different clubs, its great to see SANFL supporters mostly all coming together in support of this.

I remember in the early 2000's when the Dogs had ALOT of Victorian recruits and this was constantly mentioned as being a great selling point to the SANFL for them. They loved the fact they would be able to head home 3-4 times (including state game) a year. It also gave the country footballers a chance to head home as well.

I hate when we have the bye but no doubt the players love it.

[kickinit]

Thats where your wrong again, i do have proof the SANFL clubs enjoy having the AFL players come back to them which is from the hundreds of chats i have had to people involved in the CDFC (which posters who know me would know the people im talking about) as well as players like Ian Callinan who absolutely loving playing for the Dogs when they arent selected.

Anyway until you give benefits that are legitmate anything you post is null and void and nothing more than a kickinit opinion piece with nothing to back it up.

You are probably the poster on SAFooty who asks for people to provide evidence for their posts more than anyone else on this site yet not once have you posted anything with substanial proof/evidence or anything to back up your opinion/guess.

UNLIKE the many other posters on here who have produced evidence of history and other leagues which have been affected.

Like it has been said on here hundreds of times, the Power and the Crows are well within their rights to want and have a reserves side BUT there is absolutely no reason it has to be in the SANFL League competition.

The SANFL has been around for 130 odds years it doesnt need to take teams who are soley using it as a cost cutting exercise.
Oh well it will all come out in the wash.

what evidence have you given? that it's happen in the VFL and WAFL? now if you have so called evidence where is your evidence the same will happen here. You don't have any. It's all speculation as you can't predict the future. And what is so bad about the WAFL and VFL the supporters have turned away? well guess what you can do something about that can't you. But obviously you are like those supporters and are only thinking about yourself instead of supporting your club no what they do.

Have you seen what has happened to the VFL?
Have you been to a VFL game?
Have you not read the post on here from a VFL supporter who has seen their league be raped? Do your self a favour and look up the westar rules?

Once again that all added up equals alot more evidence than you have put down.

Are you that much of an idiot! Do you think these supporters who would have been extremly passionate about their football clubs would have walked away from them for no reason.

You may be happy in your exsistence being a yes man for the AFL and blindly following your club no matter what decision they make, doesnt make you any more of a supporter than another person who is an ex underage player, ex official, member and missed less than 10 games in 10 years.

Like i said the only reason the Crows/Power and the AFL want their reserves team in the SANFL is because it is the most cost effective way for them. It has nothing to do with winning the Thomas Seymour. Im not going to support a club who becomes nothing more than a puppet for the AFL.

You are the muppet here who is yet to put a list of benefits for the SANFL which is what this whole debate is about.

Now watch pullinit go on a rant about how everyone should just bend over and take it up the arse while he avoids to actually answer the question.

once again you have still failed to guarantee how the situation in other states will happen here. You at most are making a assumption that it will happen here. And what proof do you have that that the power isn't about winning seeing as you apparently know everything that goes on, once again you are making a assumption.

[whufc]

whufc- using an asumption based on the lessons history has taught, based on views of people who have seen this before, based on what he has seen in other leagues with his own eyes

pullinit- using an usumption based on thin air and his love for the power and nothing else.

your just proving my point further.

YOU CANT guarentee what happened in the VFL and Weststar wont happen here, the SANFL doesnt need to take that risk for little to zero gain just to keep two clubs who they wont own happy.

YOU LOST ALL CREDIBILITY WHEN YOU CLAIMED IT WAS ALREADY A DONE DEAL!!!!! IDIOT!

[UK Fan]

Would be a Shame if port magpies had to leave SANFL.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=R5fkZtbC ... 5fkZtbCurQ

[tigers34738586]

Still see no reason for SANFL clubs to let them into any level of our competition, not our concern where they play their players, not going to benefit SANFL clubs in the slightest...Crows and Port have done enough already over the last 23 year...no more...

[Reddeer]

Would be a Shame if port magpies had to leave SANFL.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=R5fkZtbC ... 5fkZtbCurQ

Why? Thats what they chose to do either by stealth in 1990 or by design in 1997 {but stupdly overruled by he SANFL at the time}
Reap what you sow!!

[StrayDog]

ch 7 are reporting that the pressure the crows and power have done in the media have now made the sanfl clubs change their minds and will allow them into the league next year

Channel 7 telecasts AFL matches and thereby makes money from AFL interests.

Take anything presented as "truth" by channel 7 with a large sodium chloride crystal.

Channel 7 news is no better than Today Tonight or Current Affair any more IMO.

Don't watch any of it myself. For those that did, how much airtime was dedicated to hearing from SANFL people?