AFL Reserves Discussion...

[bulldogproud2]

Maybe they will end up playing in a two team competition after all: Crows reserves versus Power reserves each week. After all, that fits the bill for all groups. The SANFL is impacted upon in the least way possible. The Power and Crows end up playing against opposition of a similar nature every week and all their players stay together. On reflection, not as silly as it first sounded. After all, the Power and the Crows don't want their Reserves team to play for a premiership, just to play as a team. It also would be at minimal cost to the clubs.
Cheers

Have you been brain washed? Maybe you should read Keith Thomas letter, he states that port adelaide is about winning premierships, even to the point of designing a policy with the SANFL so port had to commit to playing finals to win and also to not have a unfair advantage against other teams.

Oh, I would have thought that the whole idea was to help their AFL Senior team win a premiership. So now it is all about Port Magpies being able to win premierships????? So, the key reason for the reserves team is because Port Magpies are a joke at the moment?? Thanks for informing us!

[kickinit]

You muppet do you is this what you really think? It's not about the magpies being successful it's not about the power being successful it's about the entire club being successful.

[rod_rooster]

You muppet do you is this what you really think? It's not about the magpies being successful it's not about the power being successful it's about the entire club being successful.

Have you really resorted to calling everyone muppets now? What you are failing to understand is that no-one on here cares about Port in any form being successful and guess what, neither do the other SANFL clubs. You might not like that or agree with it but calling people muppets isn't going to change anything. In fact unless you can demonstrate a benefit to the SANFL clubs of having AFL reserves sides in the league comp then nothing will change. So far the only thing you've come up with is a financial benefit but given the SANFL is sitting on substantial assets that can comfortably sustain the comp for a very long time, this is not of any relevance and it certainly doesn't provide a particularly attractive incentive to bastardise the SANFL League competition.

[CENTURION]

It all depends to which muppet he/she/it is referring!

[Wedgie]

North supporters are Gonzos because we like chickens!

I'm picturing kickinit as Fozzy Bear because of the low quality comedy he delivers every night!

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North supporters are Gonzos because we like chickens!

I'm picturing kickinit as Fozzy Bear because of the low quality comedy he delivers every night!

I was thinking of Beaker!

[Dogwatcher]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

Not quite correct. Until the 1980s the VFA crowds weren't much inferior to the SANFL crowds and certainly much better than the current SANFL crowds.

For example, I know it was a Grand Final but in 1976 :
Port Melbourne 19.18.132 d Dandenong 10.15.75
Crowd: 32,317

Sure the VFA had a niche market in that they played on Sundays and the VFL were not allowed to, but until the advent of VFL Sunday football in the mid 190s Port Melbourne and WIlliamstown in particular drew crowds of 10,000-15,000 quite regularly.

Thank you.
An informed response to another rubbish beenreal post.

[tipper]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

Not quite correct. Until the 1980s the VFA crowds weren't much inferior to the SANFL crowds and certainly much better than the current SANFL crowds.

For example, I know it was a Grand Final but in 1976 :
Port Melbourne 19.18.132 d Dandenong 10.15.75
Crowd: 32,317

Sure the VFA had a niche market in that they played on Sundays and the VFL were not allowed to, but until the advent of VFL Sunday football in the mid 190s Port Melbourne and WIlliamstown in particular drew crowds of 10,000-15,000 quite regularly.

Thank you.
An informed response to another rubbish beenreal post.

im more curious how his claim that afl reserves teams would increase sanfl attendances when he admits that afl reserves teams have done nothing to increase attendances in victoria.

using his 10% figure, surely there should be 7000 odd people there for one side alone (using collingwoods membership numbers of around 70k), and when playing another afl reserves side there should be around 15k.

surely he isnt just making things up again is he??

[Mr Beefy]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

Not quite correct. Until the 1980s the VFA crowds weren't much inferior to the SANFL crowds and certainly much better than the current SANFL crowds.

For example, I know it was a Grand Final but in 1976 :
Port Melbourne 19.18.132 d Dandenong 10.15.75
Crowd: 32,317
Sure the VFA had a niche market in that they played on Sundays and the VFL were not allowed to, but until the advent of VFL Sunday football in the mid 190s Port Melbourne and WIlliamstown in particular drew crowds of 10,000-15,000 quite regularly.

Thank you.
An informed response to another rubbish beenreal post.

I think Robranisgod's post doesnt counter beenreals post though, as the 1976 SANFL grand final drew 66,987 which is more than double the VFA crowd.....

[whufc]

Once again kickinit give us a benefit that's not just financial for the SANFL clubs and its supporters!!

*sits and watches kickinit avoid answering it again and if he does it will be another pathetic answer like we won't have players coming in and out of the side when in actual fact the clubs enjoy having the AFL players come back.

oh so I have to give a reason but can't use one because you don't like it. Well how about you give us a reason that isn't your assumption. And yes that means assuming the SANFL will end up like the VFL and WAFL. And not a reason like it will lower the integrity of the SANFL and lower crowd numbers. If you decide to not go and watch your team because of who they are playing then that's YOUR decision no one else, at the end of the day every team will play to win every game and to win a flag, come finals time it will be the best 5 (or how may if it's a 10 team) teams that will play finals footy. It's funny how some things are good enough for you but not good enough for anyone else.

Wrong, your reason was completely invalid as the SANFL clubs see it as a positive, yet u are trying to use it as a negative.

And once again you are yet to use any fact or evidence of AFL reserves sides playing in a state league that has been positive.

We and most other posters have explained to you numerous times we have seen what this to other leagues around the country and we don't like it, that's alot nore to the table than your random guesses looking through black and white glasses.

How long will you disappear for when your magpies aren't playing league football and at best will be in the reserves comp

[whufc]

Even simpler pretend your the President of the NAFC you have the ultimate say at the NAFC to vote yes or no. List the reasons you are voting yes!!!

That's the way you should be looking at this debate because that's how it will be voted on

*now sit and watch kickinit avoid the question again while bagging all other posters saying they dont provide anything despite them on numerous occasions giving hundreds of potential negatives that are valid and genuine concerns for SANFL clubs including your past decisions by various leagues as evidence

[UK Fan]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

Not quite correct. Until the 1980s the VFA crowds weren't much inferior to the SANFL crowds and certainly much better than the current SANFL crowds.

For example, I know it was a Grand Final but in 1976 :
Port Melbourne 19.18.132 d Dandenong 10.15.75
Crowd: 32,317

Sure the VFA had a niche market in that they played on Sundays and the VFL were not allowed to, but until the advent of VFL Sunday football in the mid 190s Port Melbourne and WIlliamstown in particular drew crowds of 10,000-15,000 quite regularly.

Thank you.
An informed response to another rubbish beenreal post.

im more curious how his claim that afl reserves teams would increase sanfl attendances when he admits that afl reserves teams have done nothing to increase attendances in victoria.

using his 10% figure, surely there should be 7000 odd people there for one side alone (using collingwoods membership numbers of around 70k), and when playing another afl reserves side there should be around 15k.

surely he isnt just making things up again is he??

That was Macca that made up the ludicrous 10% figure.

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!?

[beenreal]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

Not quite correct. Until the 1980s the VFA crowds weren't much inferior to the SANFL crowds and certainly much better than the current SANFL crowds.

For example, I know it was a Grand Final but in 1976 :
Port Melbourne 19.18.132 d Dandenong 10.15.75
Crowd: 32,317

Sure the VFA had a niche market in that they played on Sundays and the VFL were not allowed to, but until the advent of VFL Sunday football in the mid 190s Port Melbourne and WIlliamstown in particular drew crowds of 10,000-15,000 quite regularly.

Thank you.
An informed response to another rubbish beenreal post.

im more curious how his claim that afl reserves teams would increase sanfl attendances when he admits that afl reserves teams have done nothing to increase attendances in victoria.

using his 10% figure, surely there should be 7000 odd people there for one side alone (using collingwoods membership numbers of around 70k), and when playing another afl reserves side there should be around 15k.

surely he isnt just making things up again is he??

That's not my claim, you're quoting someone else.

Interesting that average GF crowds in the VFL since 2000 is around 8000.

[LPH]

You muppet do you is this what you really think? It's not about the magpies being successful it's not about the power being successful it's about the entire club being successful.

Have you really resorted to calling everyone muppets now? What you are failing to understand is that no-one on here cares about Port in any form being successful and guess what, neither do the other SANFL clubs. You might not like that or agree with it but calling people muppets isn't going to change anything. In fact unless you can demonstrate a benefit to the SANFL clubs of having AFL reserves sides in the league comp then nothing will change. So far the only thing you've come up with is a financial benefit but given the SANFL is sitting on substantial assets that can comfortably sustain the comp for a very long time, this is not of any relevance and it certainly doesn't provide a particularly attractive incentive to bastardise the SANFL League competition.

LOL

Everybody Sing...

It's time to put on make up,
It's time to light the lights,
It's time to meet The Muppets,
On the SAFOOTY site ...

Da da da.

Picture it:
Wedgie & Pseudo sitting in the Stalls (Grumpy Old Men)
Swedish Chef (Army Tank) 'plucking his chickens' in the corner
LEH (Beaker) stirring the pot
Doctor Bob (kickin it) operating on his patient (One Club)
Animal (whufc) beating his drum
Centurian (The American Eagle) the voice of reason

[whufc]

I've been known to be a bit of an animal

[on the rails]

Centurion described as the "voice of reason"?

[Booney]

Muppet? I hope I am the Swedish cook then.....

The point is that the Magpies are not the same club as they were before the inception of the Power.

The original two club philosophy didn't work as the Power raped all the was Port Adelaide out of the Magpies, leaving nothing but a rotting carcass somewhere in the forward pocket at Alberton. Now we have a "one club" initiative, where Port are trying to enforce what is best for the Power onto the rest of the SANFL.

Well the other 8 clubs would have every right to disagree. What is best for the Power regularly is not best for the SANFL.

Fielding your B grade in the SANFL shows nothing but contempt for the competition from which you came. If you want to get to insults I will put it in terms you may be able to understand. AFL reserves in the SANFL is like turning 18 and then ******* your Dad's girlfriend. It shows utter disrespect to the very people that created an environment for you to exist in, who nurtured you and supported you when you were down and out. It is spitting on the grass roots from which your success as a club was borne.

Time for Daddy to kick the petulant kid out of the house and let him fend for himself.

Now please excuse me, I have some chickens to pluck...........

I'm interested in your definition of a club and how it can be (if it can be) altered, moved (as if it is a physical object) and what the most important aspect of a club is.

[am Bays]

Debating where to put this thread in the pantheon of SA Footy threads: Pseudo's Mice thread, The Running Sheet, Eric, REBs Seven Deadly sins of the Glenelg Football Club, Duromine v Professional Athlete, The 2007 GFthread (Schuburt v Gowans)?

Absolute gold

Dubious facts, even more dubious opinions, shifting alliances, multiple attacks from both sides of the argument, simmering tensions, quality!

[Booney]

Debating where to put this thread in the pantheon of SA Footy threads: Pseudo's Mice thread, The Running Sheet, Eric, REBs Seven Deadly sins of the Glenelg Football Club, Duromine v Professional Athlete, The 2007 GFthread (Schuburt v Gowans)?
Absolute gold
Dubious facts, even more dubious opinions, shifting alliances, multiple attacks from both sides of the argument, simmering tensions, quality!

Pseudo also gave us the vasectomy thread. I'm not sure the Eric thread is quite in the esteemed company of the other nominations, not just yet anyway. Dear Dr.REB certainly has some value.

When the judges vote, I am sure this will come under serious consideration. (Perhaps the 300+ threads on this subject should be merged?)