SAAFL Division 7 2013

[morell]

I don't think Mitchell Park has been full of harp playing Cherubs for the past twenty years either champ.

Whilst true, all of our incidents have been related to on field behaviour - of which we have had a borderline unblemished record for the last 5 years.

We have been widely known as thugs and ferals, but I have never, ever, seen the police required at a MPFC game -.

That's because it was a "no go" zone for he cops......

I can personally guarantee you the cops aren't afraid of Mitchell Park! My wallet has been severely affected by their presence.

[morell]

I don't think Mitchell Park has been full of harp playing Cherubs for the past twenty years either champ.

Whilst true, all of our incidents have been related to on field behaviour - of which we have had a borderline unblemished record for the last 5 years.

We have been widely known as thugs and ferals, but I have never, ever, seen the police required at a MPFC game - let alone in the numbers reported to have been required on Saturday night. Never needed security or anything of the sort. Not even close. I just cannot believe the stories being PM'ed and reported in the media. It's absolutely appalling. You cannot and should not compare this incident to other clubs records or look to somehow diminish what has happened by pointing fingers.

I should also mention that Yankman has been involved in several clubs, including Edwardstown and Yankalilla. It would be unfair on him and the MPFC to bundle them together as one and the same.

In addition, we keep on focussing on the night itself and the inability of the clubs to act. We should be focussing on why these people were there in the first place, what caused them to assault people and how we can stop them from attending a SAAFL game ever again.

Does Yankman have a spokesperson? I responded to the garbage that he wrote, I drew no comparisons nor have I tried to diminish what happened, nor have I finger pointed. I know about as much fact as you do on the matter as neither one of us were there.

Exactly! You dragged Mitchell Park into your assertions. Not I.

[Lightning McQueen]

Exactly! You dragged Mitchell Park into your assertions. Not I.

OK, have a nice day mate.

[Robb_Stark]

Exactly! You dragged Mitchell Park into your assertions. Not I.

OK, have a nice day mate.

miami heat FTW get around them

[morell]

[. You cannot and should not compare this incident to other clubs records or look to somehow diminish what has happened by pointing fingers..

Which is exactly what you're doing...

How so? I haven't mentioned any of the clubs, individuals or groups by name nor have I apportioned any blame to anyone.

This is an issue which affects the wider SAAFL community. I am a part of that community. I have friends and family attend my games to watch me play. My girlfriend is already wary of attending games away from Mitchell Park because of this.

We cannot have people afraid of attending SAAFL games. Or playing in them.

In addition, we keep on focussing on the night itself and the inability of the clubs to act. We should be focussing on why these people were there in the first place, what caused them to assault people and how we can stop them from attending a SAAFL game ever again

Good luck with that, let me give you some answers:

Because they can.

Because they can

And we can act.

Step 1 - Find out who they are associated with from the clubs involved. Ban those players. Find out their names, provide them to the police and ban them, when they turn up, call the police. They would be pretty stubborn to want to go through the police to watch a Div 7 game when no-one they know is playing.

Step 2 - Reschedule all home games to Thebarton and get the clubs to provide a guest list. Hire security to ensure no-one else can attend. Ban alcohol.

Step 3 - Double, triple, quadruple security.

Step 4 - If it turns out there are too many people associated within the clubs involved for them to field a team, so be it. Fold them.

Step 5 - Hire a tank?

Maybe some or none of those are appropriate but I cannot stand this attitude current prevalent on sa footy that it's all hopeless, all is lost, and we've been bullied into a situation we cant control. Lets just move on, concentrate on footy and hope it doesn't happen again.

Stuff that Lisa! Fire up! Where there is a will there is a way.

and how we can stop them from attending a SAAFL game ever again

You can't and I'd like to see you try

Cmon, if we can put a man on the moon we can stop people attending a SAAFL game.

Time to step off the moral high ground now Morgs, you're starting to sound like a broken record and you now damn well nothing can be resolved here, so why bother. Perhaps try running for parliament

I think you underestimate the power of a community and the hive mind if it decides to work together and act. I know the folks at the SAAFL would be doing their best, lets talk about ways we can all assist...

I think everyone needs to stop the finger pointing and sly remarks - including the other mods...thanks

I agree.

[morell]

Exactly! You dragged Mitchell Park into your assertions. Not I.

OK, have a nice day mate.

miami heat FTW get around them

Spurs all the way.

Duncan > LeBron

[Robb_Stark]

83-83 heat looking lot better at moment 6 minutes to go

maybe a tank can stop lebron

[CentreHalfBench]

[. You cannot and should not compare this incident to other clubs records or look to somehow diminish what has happened by pointing fingers..

Which is exactly what you're doing...

How so? I haven't mentioned any of the clubs, individuals or groups by name nor have I apportioned any blame to anyone.

This is an issue which affects the wider SAAFL community. I am a part of that community. I have friends and family attend my games to watch me play. My girlfriend is already wary of attending games away from Mitchell Park because of this.

We cannot have people afraid of attending SAAFL games. Or playing in them.

In addition, we keep on focussing on the night itself and the inability of the clubs to act. We should be focussing on why these people were there in the first place, what caused them to assault people and how we can stop them from attending a SAAFL game ever again

Good luck with that, let me give you some answers:

Because they can.

Because they can

And we can act.

Step 1 - Find out who they are associated with from the clubs involved. Ban those players. Find out their names, provide them to the police and ban them, when they turn up, call the police. They would be pretty stubborn to want to go through the police to watch a Div 7 game when no-one they know is playing.

Step 2 - Reschedule all home games to Thebarton and get the clubs to provide a guest list. Hire security to ensure no-one else can attend. Ban alcohol.

Step 3 - Double, triple, quadruple security.

Step 4 - If it turns out there are too many people associated within the clubs involved for them to field a team, so be it. Fold them.

Step 5 - Hire a tank?

Maybe some or none of those are appropriate but I cannot stand this attitude current prevalent on sa footy that it's all hopeless, all is lost, and we've been bullied into a situation we cant control. Lets just move on, concentrate on footy and hope it doesn't happen again.

Stuff that Lisa! Fire up! Where there is a will there is a way.

and how we can stop them from attending a SAAFL game ever again

You can't and I'd like to see you try

Cmon, if we can put a man on the moon we can stop people attending a SAAFL game.

Time to step off the moral high ground now Morgs, you're starting to sound like a broken record and you now damn well nothing can be resolved here, so why bother. Perhaps try running for parliament

I think you underestimate the power of a community and the hive mind if it decides to work together and act. I know the folks at the SAAFL would be doing their best, lets talk about ways we can all assist...

I think everyone needs to stop the finger pointing and sly remarks - including the other mods...thanks

I agree.

Amazing post! Morell isn't looking for moral high ground, he's just trying to resolve an issue that is getting out of hand. If anything his input should be appreciated considering his team isn't even in this league anymore. All of his arguments have been well written, justified, and based towards a resolution. Surely this is the direction we want to head.

Up the pacers!

[Footy Chick]

You can always count on Morrell to provide thought provoking arguments - and this is why we love him

However - given that the State Government can't even pass laws to stop these people from gathering in large groups- and they've been trying for years - I'm not sure how the SAAFL is going to be able to stop it overnight.

PS: I'll be sure to let JK know that youll be happy to volunteer for the job of telling these particular people that they're not allowed to play footy anymore because they happen to appreciate 2-wheeled forms of transport. You are volunteering to do the job yourself, aren't you Morrell?

We appreciate the sentiment you just don't know what you're dealing with - and that's the reality of it.

[CentreHalfBench]

92 - 96 - Pacers way. Yes!

[GHS#33]

You can always count on Morrell to provide thought provoking arguments - and this is why we love him

However - given that the State Government can't even pass laws to stop these people from gathering in large groups- and they've been trying for years - I'm not sure how the SAAFL is going to be able to stop it overnight.
PS: I'll be sure to let JK know that youll be happy to volunteer for the job of telling these particular people that they're not allowed to play footy anymore because they happen to appreciate 2-wheeled forms of transport. You are volunteering to do the job yourself, aren't you Morrell?

We appreciate the sentiment you just don't know what you're dealing with - and that's the reality of it.

That is not what Morgs is getting at, we want the SAAFL to provide a safer environment for players and supporters. No-one is asking for SAAFL to pass legislation or start a war on bikies (apologies for calling out the elephant in the room). The fact is the current precautions were not sufficient on Saturday night.

Edit: Up the Spurs

[Phantom Gossiper]

This has been well thrashed, and I personally am sick and tired of reading about it, going around in f

And we can act.

Step 1 - Find out who they are associated with from the clubs involved. Ban those players. Find out their names, provide them to the police and ban them, when they turn up, call the police. They would be pretty stubborn to want to go through the police to watch a Div 7 game when no-one they know is playing.LOL good luck with that one
Step 2 - Reschedule all home games to Thebarton and get the clubs to provide a guest list. Hire security to ensure no-one else can attend. Ban alcohol.Then clubs lose revenue from canteen/bar takings, and of course Thebarton wouldn't be free, would have to pay for the hire. Not to mention then the travel, and losing the advantage of playing at home

Step 3 - Double, triple, quadruple security.Again money.. whose going to foot the bill?

Step 4 - If it turns out there are too many people associated within the clubs involved for them to field a team, so be it. Fold them.Then the players move on to another club, so effectively all you are doing is punishing those who are there for the right reasons and doing a good job

Step 5 - Hire a tank?I'm not for hire
Cmon, if we can put a man on the moon we can stop people attending a SAAFL game.Again good luck with that, what are you going to do - get restraining orders?

This topic of conversation has been thrashed. I'm sure those that need to worry about it are doing that, let's move on there is a big round of games this week shouldn't we focus on that? .. and Morgs p*ss off back to the div 6 thread

[great catch]

You all have to much time on your hands!

[Robb_Stark]

This has been well thrashed, and I personally am sick and tired of reading about it, going around in f

And we can act.

Step 1 - Find out who they are associated with from the clubs involved. Ban those players. Find out their names, provide them to the police and ban them, when they turn up, call the police. They would be pretty stubborn to want to go through the police to watch a Div 7 game when no-one they know is playing.LOL good luck with that one
Step 2 - Reschedule all home games to Thebarton and get the clubs to provide a guest list. Hire security to ensure no-one else can attend. Ban alcohol.Then clubs lose revenue from canteen/bar takings, and of course Thebarton wouldn't be free, would have to pay for the hire. Not to mention then the travel, and losing the advantage of playing at home

Step 3 - Double, triple, quadruple security.Again money.. whose going to foot the bill?

Step 4 - If it turns out there are too many people associated within the clubs involved for them to field a team, so be it. Fold them.Then the players move on to another club, so effectively all you are doing is punishing those who are there for the right reasons and doing a good job

Step 5 - Hire a tank?I'm not for hire
Cmon, if we can put a man on the moon we can stop people attending a SAAFL game.Again good luck with that, what are you going to do - get restraining orders?

This topic of conversation has been thrashed. I'm sure those that need to worry about it are doing that, let's move on there is a big round of games this week shouldn't we focus on that? .. and Morgs p*ss off back to the div 6 thread

i think every club was told they must play least 1 game at thebbie in next 2 years

[Footy Chick]

You all have to much time on your hands!

Actually, only Morrell

GHS #33, the league can't be held accountable for what happens at suburban grounds - it's essentially up to each and individual club to provde their own security.

Unless of course you want your calls to increase by shiteloads so we can stick a couple of Weslo rejects at each ground to do sweet FA.

[double-blue]

You all have to much time on your hands!

Actually, only Morrell

GHS #33, the league can't be held accountable for what happens at suburban grounds - it's essentially up to each and individual club to provde their own security.

Unless of course you want your calls to increase by shiteloads so we can stick a couple of Weslo rejects at each ground to do sweet FA.

I bet to differ - the league is responsible for the administration of the competition as a whole. I agree the solution isn't putting security guards at grounds, however they have the responsibility to ensure clubs within their competition are upholding their own standards. It's a cop out to say they aren't accountable.

[Footy Chick]

Perhaps you might like your delegate to bring it up at the next delegates meeting then - here probably isn't the best forum in which to discuss it.

[The Cows]

You all have to much time on your hands!

Actually, only Morrell

GHS #33, the league can't be held accountable for what happens at suburban grounds - it's essentially up to each and individual club to provde their own security.

Unless of course you want your calls to increase by shiteloads so we can stick a couple of Weslo rejects at each ground to do sweet FA.

I bet to differ - the league is responsible for the administration of the competition as a whole. I agree the solution isn't putting security guards at grounds, however they have the responsibility to ensure clubs within their competition are upholding their own standards. It's a cop out to say they aren't accountable.

I don't know about you guys but if I was coaching and stuff like this happened I wouldn't be worried about the 2 points I would get my guys out of there. I played in a game many years ago for Glandore at Pennington and the game was called off during the 3 qtr because of such incidents.
Played Smithfield twice last year and they were great lads, I know the coach and he would be very upset at what has happened. I do feel for the club after what they have been through. Maybe a night game wasn't such a good idea!!

[Yank Man]

Unfortunately you can't control who comes to your games and if they come in numbers then it's out of your hands. Smithfield has always been a hostile environment and I've been going there since the late 90's. Back then the top teams went in a bus, changed in a bus some 200 metres from the clubrooms, ran on to the ground, played a tough hard game and win or lose straight back on the bus and back to their club. It's a real pity that for all the hard work they have done things havn't changed in all that time. There are some terrific people in the 'inner sactum' who work tirelessly for the club they love, maybe we should be offering support to them and not be to eager to put them all in the same catagory.

Are you for real? That is the biggest load of bullshit I've read on here in a long time. I've seen maybe 5 southern-most clubs travel by bus since 1995 for travel reasons, I've seen one skirmish in the crowd and that was caused by some thugs from another club that I wont mention who began assaulting an assistant coach in Smithfield's coaches box.
There was an ugly incident at Pulteney during a B Grade match about 6 years ago that was dealt with but apart from that and what happened on Saturday evening you are just full of hot air.
So to get on here and praise and bag in the one sentence is just a pathetic cop out, I don't think Mitchell Park has been full of harp playing Cherubs for the past twenty years either champ.

No bullshit LM. I was on those buses and my son was a player, and yes Foodland pies were on the menu PLUS Southwark beer and yes it was a southern club, NOT Mitchell Park. It had nothing to do with travel only due diligence because the club, players and coaching staff were fine, but it was who turned up on the day that could of changed the fun. Never ugly incidents I might ad. It was not meant as a go at the club and the praising bit was what I saw last year in Div 7, so many people dedicated to seeing the club get up. Bloody hell man, I'm on your side.

[Bloods4Life]

Unfortunately you can't control who comes to your games and if they come in numbers then it's out of your hands. Smithfield has always been a hostile environment and I've been going there since the late 90's. Back then the top teams went in a bus, changed in a bus some 200 metres from the clubrooms, ran on to the ground, played a tough hard game and win or lose straight back on the bus and back to their club. It's a real pity that for all the hard work they have done things havn't changed in all that time. There are some terrific people in the 'inner sactum' who work tirelessly for the club they love, maybe we should be offering support to them and not be to eager to put them all in the same catagory.

Are you for real? That is the biggest load of bullshit I've read on here in a long time. I've seen maybe 5 southern-most clubs travel by bus since 1995 for travel reasons, I've seen one skirmish in the crowd and that was caused by some thugs from another club that I wont mention who began assaulting an assistant coach in Smithfield's coaches box.
There was an ugly incident at Pulteney during a B Grade match about 6 years ago that was dealt with but apart from that and what happened on Saturday evening you are just full of hot air.
So to get on here and praise and bag in the one sentence is just a pathetic cop out, I don't think Mitchell Park has been full of harp playing Cherubs for the past twenty years either champ.

No bullshit LM. I was on those buses and my son was a player, and yes Foodland pies were on the menu PLUS Southwark beer and yes it was a southern club, NOT Mitchell Park. It had nothing to do with travel only due diligence because the club, players and coaching staff were fine, but it was who turned up on the day that could of changed the fun. Never ugly incidents I might ad. It was not meant as a go at the club and the praising bit was what I saw last year in Div 7, so many people dedicated to seeing the club get up. Bloody hell man, I'm on your side.

No need to apologise yankman I thought what you posted was more complimentary than insulting. Geez LM take a chill pill!!! I've played against Smithfield many times out there and never had a problem. In fact last time I was there a free beer was even put on the bar for myself and our players.