SAAFL Division 6 2013

[Phantom Gossiper]

I think the correct call has finally been made here, even if it is 2 games too late.. While its a shame for the sides that have played gullies thus far, it would be an even bigger uproar should gullies pull there side mid year and then teams get a forfeit and no "percentage booster"..

As a Modbury player for my entire life we are born and bread to have a certain (respectful) hatred toward the gullies, but i know i speak for alot of MFC lads when i say that seeing them get pumped by that much and knowing they were on the brink of collapse in lower grades is not great. i still havee alot of mates out there and a huge respect for the rivalry that our juniors through to seniors still have ... i want to see them strong and competitive (but not too strong) Its a reactive decision that could of been avoided but in my opinion had to happen.

Good move by the league - early enough in the season to avoid any real issues and as Sass pointed out better than teams later on getting a forfeit and missing out on the massive % booster that sides like MP and CLG got in the 1st 2 rounds.. at least this evens out the div a bit more.

Only thing affected here is the ego stroking players would get by pumping the gullies, no real benefit to the div otherwise

[scottroo]

Carey I actually do agree with you, just annoying that we spent $ and copped injuries from a game that is now not a game

[mozzie]

The clubs that have played them are pissed off, the ones that havnt are happy

That is a pretty stupid thing to say Scottroo. We havent played them we had them in round 4 and i was looking forward to it I had some plans in place and was hopefully going to run a few blokes in to form so i cant see how you can say I'm happy.

On the point of % lost for CLG and M/Park you blokes cant be serious? What the other sides wouldnt have smashed them either? So you blokes keep your % yet no other side get to play them? Come on........

I dont think there are any winners from this whole situation its not great having a bye but hey how many times during other years have you had a chance to go watch a mate play, a div 1 game or indeed your opposition for the following week?

No point pi$$ing and moaning the decision has been made and is final move on and play on...

Not quite sure if this is the same Carey that i have known for nearly 20 years but i think this is the most constructive, thought out post i have seen from you.

Like you say, we would of loved the chance to try a few things to catch up to you blokes, but no use crying over spilt milk or lost percentage, decision has been made now move on.

[Mr Beefy]

Whats the alternative? Let them play until they inevitably fold? And then other clubs dont get the opportunity to inflate their percentage?

Did CLG and MP not have any match day revenue? Did no one go back to the club after the CLG played and spend money?

Did TTG nominate 4 sides and then pull one after the cut off date?

TTG will play every game this year in D8 now..they wont forfeit one game..just watch..yeah it was a struggle to get players for their team same as it was for every club who has to endure shocking years..thats life..just like your club had to do last year beefy..

and nobody has answered this:

"they are allowed to drop 2 grades because they have lost by to much and can't win?..show me a precedent for that?"

nothing we say will change it now anyway..its done and dusted..we've got no choice but to move on..its just very frustrating..

We fielded 2 teams each week and never copped 2 x consecutive 40 goal floggings. Sure it was a tough year but there was always a light at the end of the tunnel.
If there had to be precedents for everything nothing new would ever happen. I'd suggest it takes more balls to set a precedent than to follow one.

[Jugs]

Carey I actually do agree with you, just annoying that we spent $ and copped injuries from a game that is now not a game

Didn't make any money from the games? Or did u play away?

Do you spend money playing trials?

[carey]

The clubs that have played them are pissed off, the ones that havnt are happy

That is a pretty stupid thing to say Scottroo. We havent played them we had them in round 4 and i was looking forward to it I had some plans in place and was hopefully going to run a few blokes in to form so i cant see how you can say I'm happy.

On the point of % lost for CLG and M/Park you blokes cant be serious? What the other sides wouldnt have smashed them either? So you blokes keep your % yet no other side get to play them? Come on........

I dont think there are any winners from this whole situation its not great having a bye but hey how many times during other years have you had a chance to go watch a mate play, a div 1 game or indeed your opposition for the following week?

No point pi$$ing and moaning the decision has been made and is final move on and play on...

Not quite sure if this is the same Carey that i have known for nearly 20 years but i think this is the most constructive, thought out post i have seen from you.

Like you say, we would of loved the chance to try a few things to catch up to you blokes, but no use crying over spilt milk or lost percentage, decision has been made now move on.

I'm getting old now mate making an over 35's debut this season for Easterns so i guess you have to grow up a bit at some stage

Catch up to us blokes? I'm not even going to comment on that.......

[scottroo]

We were away jugs, anyway decisions made we will move on. Goodluck to everyone this week

[Q.]

How do clubs feel about the bye?

D5, D6 & D7 contains 25 genuine A-Grade clubs.

If combined, these divisions had 27 genuine A-Grade clubs, a bye could be a permanent fixture in all three divisions. ie. 9 teams per division.

Then the C/D grades could have their own divisions.

[woodublieve12]

Carey I actually do agree with you, just annoying that we spent $ and copped injuries from a game that is now not a game

Didn't make any money from the games? Or did u play away?

Do you spend money playing trials?

every club would... strapping and footy's cost $$$

[morell]

It’s clearly not ideal but no solution was going to be. I have to admit to feeling a tad aggrieved that we lost one of our prime recruits and key midfielders to injury in the Round 1 TTG game (Simper) who then couldn’t suit up for Westminster. We go down by a kick or two in a tight game, with it being ideally suited to Simper’s play style. Who knows, maybe he could have been the difference in Round 2.

I also question this decision becoming a precedent. We could have saved ourselves 12 months of complete misery in 2010 in Div 6 when we were putting up similar scores to TTG - in some circumstances worse! Is this going to be a regular occurrence? Too hard, looks like we’re going to get smashed week in week out, give up and go down a div or two?

But hypotheticals are exactly that, no point worrying about things out of your control. Move on, head down, bum up.

[Phantom Gossiper]

How do clubs feel about the bye?

D5, D6 & D7 contains 25 genuine A-Grade clubs.

If combined, these divisions had 27 genuine A-Grade clubs, a bye could be a permanent fixture in all three divisions. ie. 9 teams per division.

Then the C/D grades could have their own divisions.

What about C/D grade sides that continue to be strong and dominate that comp then? They just left to thrash teams year after year? Personally i don't see an issue with how it is now, if a C/D grade side is good enough to compete with other A grade sides then let them, but obviously they need to be treated or looked at differently year to year than you would an A grade club.

Sides like Adel Uni and Henley have managed ok in div 6 in previous years although not world beaters.

The other thing with having the C/D grade sides, is when you get a club that is developing and struggling i.e Smithfield, it gives them sides that they can be competitive with instead of getting flogged by A/B sides.

[Footy Warrior]

how can they be byes when actual games have been played? they can't rewrite history..those games happened, players kicked goals, got injured and umpires were paid for umpiring them..bizarre..

from the league .... not an ideal situation for TTG, div 8, div 6 or the teams that have played them ... better to do something now rather than let this situation carry on but it should have been done at least 4 weeks ago when the writing appeared to be on the wall. not sure the lack of players just arose on the eve of round 1.

1. Division 6: The competition will now be a 9 team competition with a
bye
2. Division 6: The results from the first two rounds will be null and
void and recorded as a bye
3. Division 6: Player statistics such as games played and goals kicked
are retained by the individual player
4. Division 6: Goals kicked and association Best & Fairest votes will
not be included in the final tally

So how does relegation work? Only 1 go down now?
Is it still a Top 5 for finals or does it revert to a Top 4 now?

[Bluedemon]

it would stay as a top 5, no changing that.

[Yank Man]

As far as the premiership tables are concerned the first 2 rounds v TTG did not exist. No one has the opportunity to benefit from playing a % booster against a side that is clearly not up to standard.


Perhaps it is time that the SAAFL go down the ATCA cricket path that no club can have a 2nd side go any higher than the lowest A grade division. In football terms that means a club with a C & D grade can not go above D7. Would save a lot of this bullshit of will they go up or not regardless of if they win a flag the previous season.

It's an anomaly. The club made the decision to let a heap of ex-D1 players chase premiership glory knowing they wouldn't suit up again, at the expense of promoting youth. You reap what you sow.

It would be worse to let clubs sandbag in D7.

Ideally, the C/D grades have their own competition, but we are not quite there yet.

Someone actually gets it. God loves you Q. Makes MP's win a big achievement in 2012 and can at least now give the club the belief it can be a competitive team in Div 6 finally. Frankly, and I have been a big critic of the league over this one, I am sure both MP and CLG at the end of the season will accept this as a good decision. Thanks SAAFL, all arguments aside, you have shown balls and that is what is needed. The sad part is that both MP and CLG have won a game by over 40 goals and now both sit in the relegation zone.

[Esteban Vihaio]

As far as the premiership tables are concerned the first 2 rounds v TTG did not exist. No one has the opportunity to benefit from playing a % booster against a side that is clearly not up to standard.


Perhaps it is time that the SAAFL go down the ATCA cricket path that no club can have a 2nd side go any higher than the lowest A grade division. In football terms that means a club with a C & D grade can not go above D7. Would save a lot of this bullshit of will they go up or not regardless of if they win a flag the previous season.

It's an anomaly. The club made the decision to let a heap of ex-D1 players chase premiership glory knowing they wouldn't suit up again, at the expense of promoting youth. You reap what you sow.

It would be worse to let clubs sandbag in D7.

Ideally, the C/D grades have their own competition, but we are not quite there yet.

Someone actually gets it. God loves you Q. Makes MP's win a big achievement in 2012 and can at least now give the club the belief it can be a competitive team in Div 6 finally. Frankly, and I have been a big critic of the league over this one, I am sure both MP and CLG at the end of the season will accept this as a good decision. Thanks SAAFL, all arguments aside, you have shown balls and that is what is needed. The sad part is that both MP and CLG have won a game by over 40 goals and now both sit in the relegation zone.

Not true. Nowhere have I seen that the 8th team will get relegated. Furthermore, I'd rather be 0-1 having played the "bye" than the 0 and 2 record of Adelaide Uni.

[marbles]

If the league drew the line and seperated cgrade teams from agrade teams next season, going to 9 team divisions with the bye (as Q has suggested), would that mean this year in div1, 3 teams would be relegated and 2 would come up?

[Q.]

If the league drew the line and seperated cgrade teams from agrade teams next season, going to 9 team divisions with the bye (as Q has suggested), would that mean this year in div1, 3 teams would be relegated and 2 would come up?

I only suggested D5, D6 & D7 have nine teams if the league has 27 two-team A-Grade clubs to fill them. Currently I only count 25.

Hypothetically (and given that there are only nine teams in D6 at the moment):

- Two clubs are promoted from D5 to D4, two clubs relegated from D4 to D5
- Two clubs are relegated from D5, but only D6 Premier comes up.
- Adelaide Uni is removed from D6 and placed in C/D divisions. Only one club is relegated from D6 to D7.
- Premier of D7 is promoted to D6.
- Remaining nine sides fill D7.

C/D grade teams fill a D8/D8R and D9/D9R.

[Q.]

Or

D5 and D6 stay as 10-team divisions.

D7 has only seven teams, teams play each other 3 times, top four play finals.

[watchdog]

As far as the premiership tables are concerned the first 2 rounds v TTG did not exist. No one has the opportunity to benefit from playing a % booster against a side that is clearly not up to standard.


Perhaps it is time that the SAAFL go down the ATCA cricket path that no club can have a 2nd side go any higher than the lowest A grade division. In football terms that means a club with a C & D grade can not go above D7. Would save a lot of this bullshit of will they go up or not regardless of if they win a flag the previous season.

It's an anomaly. The club made the decision to let a heap of ex-D1 players chase premiership glory knowing they wouldn't suit up again, at the expense of promoting youth. You reap what you sow.

It would be worse to let clubs sandbag in D7.

Ideally, the C/D grades have their own competition, but we are not quite there yet.

Someone actually gets it. God loves you Q. Makes MP's win a big achievement in 2012 and can at least now give the club the belief it can be a competitive team in Div 6 finally. Frankly, and I have been a big critic of the league over this one, I am sure both MP and CLG at the end of the season will accept this as a good decision. Thanks SAAFL, all arguments aside, you have shown balls and that is what is needed. The sad part is that both MP and CLG have won a game by over 40 goals and now both sit in the relegation zone.

Not true. Nowhere have I seen that the 8th team will get relegated. Furthermore, I'd rather be 0-1 having played the "bye" than the 0 and 2 record of Adelaide Uni.

Each to their own, no way would I rather play on the bye weekend rather than have the weekend off!

[Q.]

Having the bye in Round 1 sucks. Let's face it, if you've got the bye in the first few rounds, you'll be having your team train on that day anyway. MP and CLG will be better for their four quarters of training drills and some much needed early season match fitness.