MSJFL & MWJFL merger?

[Mr Beefy]

Would going back to u/8s,10s,12s,14s and 16s solve issues?

Never should have changed, when I played it was U/9's U/11's U/13's and U/15's and that worked fine

The move to individual age groups such U/9 U/10 and U/11's etc was either to appease parents worried their little boys might get hurt by bigger boys or to make the bigger clubs more powerful so they could have more players.

Either way it is not in the best interest of the sport or those that play it

I'd suggest the second option. Makes a mockery of the rule restricting lists to 25 players

[giffo]

Last year MWJFL 16's had :

Div 1
Henley 1
Port Districts 1
Flinders Park 1
SMOSH
Lockleys
North Haven

Div 2
Henley 2
Port Districts 2
Flinders Park 2
Woodville South
Portland
Seaton

The three clubs with 2 teams were initially going to split the teams evenly, yeah, right...

The Div 2 comp was between Woodville South and Seaton all year and the top Div was Henley and SMOSH/Port. Really didnt work very well IMO as the gap between top and bottom was too large.

I had a team manager role last year with one of the clubs but my son is not playing this year, I'll be interested to see what happens however.

Haha yeah what a joke that was.

I agree it didn't work well at all, the split of the grade into the higher and lower div was pretty much based on the order of the ladder at the end of the 2010 season, which was unfortunate for our 16s as they were in the higher div but were no where near as strong in 2011 as they were in 2010, which is probably the best U/16 squad we've ever had and possibly will have.

The other ridiculous part is even though Woodville South & Portland played in the GF, neither team will be promoted to div1 and Lockleys & Nth Haven won't get relegated because the league works it out on an overall club ranking.

[Mr Beefy]

WTF is happening with this year's draw?

If the price to pay to accomodate the MSJFL U16s teams is to send the smaller MWJFL teams to the wall, then send them back. We have 8s and 10s at home on Sunday, followed by.....nothing. The 12s, 14s and 16s are playing at 3 different venues. There is only one week where they all play at home or the same venue and that is when the 8s and 10s have a bye.

I might not be a rocket scientist but surely you would work out the draw around the grades common to most clubs and fit in the other grades around it. eg. 8s, 10s, 12Ws, 14Ws, 16Ws and fit in the 9s, 12Bs, 14Bs and 16Bs around the other grades.

[Lightning McQueen]

WTF is happening with this year's draw?

If the price to pay to accomodate the MSJFL U16s teams is to send the smaller MWJFL teams to the wall, then send them back. We have 8s and 10s at home on Sunday, followed by.....nothing. The 12s, 14s and 16s are playing at 3 different venues. There is only one week where they all play at home or the same venue and that is when the 8s and 10s have a bye.

I might not be a rocket scientist but surely you would work out the draw around the grades common to most clubs and fit in the other grades around it. eg. 8s, 10s, 12Ws, 14Ws, 16Ws and fit in the 9s, 12Bs, 14Bs and 16Bs around the other grades.

I seen that last night too, you guys have a bit of a stinker.

[Mr Beefy]

You could put with it once or twice a season but 4 times during the season the club is playing at 4 different venues and 7 times at 3 different venues.

A lot of weeks there will be no point firing up the BBQ or opening the canteen - the major revenue earner for the kids and the volunteers will be here there and everywhere. It is well and truly f*cked.

[Jetters]

WTF is happening with this year's draw?

If the price to pay to accomodate the MSJFL U16s teams is to send the smaller MWJFL teams to the wall, then send them back. We have 8s and 10s at home on Sunday, followed by.....nothing. The 12s, 14s and 16s are playing at 3 different venues. There is only one week where they all play at home or the same venue and that is when the 8s and 10s have a bye.

I might not be a rocket scientist but surely you would work out the draw around the grades common to most clubs and fit in the other grades around it. eg. 8s, 10s, 12Ws, 14Ws, 16Ws and fit in the 9s, 12Bs, 14Bs and 16Bs around the other grades.

Clearly your no rocket scientist.... you don't think who ever made the draw was trying to accommodate the needs of clubs as much as possible??

Could I take a guess and say they just happen to be the grades you have?

[Mr Beefy]

WTF is happening with this year's draw?

If the price to pay to accomodate the MSJFL U16s teams is to send the smaller MWJFL teams to the wall, then send them back. We have 8s and 10s at home on Sunday, followed by.....nothing. The 12s, 14s and 16s are playing at 3 different venues. There is only one week where they all play at home or the same venue and that is when the 8s and 10s have a bye.

I might not be a rocket scientist but surely you would work out the draw around the grades common to most clubs and fit in the other grades around it. eg. 8s, 10s, 12Ws, 14Ws, 16Ws and fit in the 9s, 12Bs, 14Bs and 16Bs around the other grades.

Clearly your no rocket scientist.... you don't think who ever made the draw was trying to accommodate the needs of clubs as much as possible??

Could I take a guess and say they just happen to be the grades you have?

Clearly you aint either, so do most other clubs just happen to field teams in these grades.

U8s - 11 clubs
U10s - 11 clubs
U12w - 9 clubs
U14w - 10 clubs
U16w - 7 MW + 5 MS

U9s - 6 clubs
U12b - 4 clubs
U14b -7 clubs
U16b - 5 MW +3 MS

[Jetters]

WTF is happening with this year's draw?

If the price to pay to accomodate the MSJFL U16s teams is to send the smaller MWJFL teams to the wall, then send them back. We have 8s and 10s at home on Sunday, followed by.....nothing. The 12s, 14s and 16s are playing at 3 different venues. There is only one week where they all play at home or the same venue and that is when the 8s and 10s have a bye.

I might not be a rocket scientist but surely you would work out the draw around the grades common to most clubs and fit in the other grades around it. eg. 8s, 10s, 12Ws, 14Ws, 16Ws and fit in the 9s, 12Bs, 14Bs and 16Bs around the other grades.

Clearly your no rocket scientist.... you don't think who ever made the draw was trying to accommodate the needs of clubs as much as possible??

Could I take a guess and say they just happen to be the grades you have?

Clearly you aint either, so do most other clubs just happen to field teams in these grades.

U8s - 11 clubs
U10s - 11 clubs
U12w - 9 clubs
U14w - 10 clubs
U16w - 7 MW + 5 MS

U9s - 6 clubs
U12b - 4 clubs
U14b -7 clubs
U16b - 5 MW +3 MS

You build a fixture around the 'B' grade competition to disadvantage the strong clubs?

Anyway, there are many considerations that go into those fixtures that people don't see. It would have to be the worst job in a jnr football league. People try their best to make it as balanced and practical for everyone.

Don't be so narrow minded.

[Bluedemon]

i thought metro south are only organising the under 16's draw

[Mr Beefy]

i thought metro south are only organising the under 16's draw

That's prob why it's ******, couldn't organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of fifties

[Tony Clifton]

How do you fix it though?

Can you mandate that if a club is going to participate in juniors that it needs to have one team in each age group?

That's how it is in country football. Clubs have to field junior colts, senior colts, reserves, A's. And that's it. No exceptions, no second teams in an age group, not missing any teams.

[MadDog]

Lets be honest, Metro South should bugger off back to their own league and run it properly

How and who has killed it? Wasn't like that at the start!
Or do some of your teams have two teams in each grade? Might be a sign for MWJFL!

And you would produce a fixture that aligned to what most teams had.
U8/U10, a "primary" U12 comp, a primary U14 comp and a primary U16 comp.
Align as much of the fixtures together as possible. The rest just fit in where possible.

Those teams who have two side in a grade, they get the short straw at every point in time. If they are strong enough to have more grades, then they are strong enough to cope with bad deals.
You also must at every opportunity assist any struggling clubs. ie strong clubs play each other more times, struggling clubs play each other more times.

The current draw is a disgrace both logistically and financially. Never happened when I had some (little as it was) involvement in both Metro West and Metro South.

Also... just on Unley in the Under 16 whites... and correct me if my information is wrong.. second hand info
But was Unley short on players to the point that it would have been a forfeit?
And that Henley players then played for Unley?
I would assume if that information is correct, then Unley cannot and would not accept the points that it has been awarded?

[Jetters]

Lets be honest, Metro South should bugger off back to their own league and run it properly

How and who has killed it? Wasn't like that at the start!
Or do some of your teams have two teams in each grade? Might be a sign for MWJFL!

And you would produce a fixture that aligned to what most teams had.
U8/U10, a "primary" U12 comp, a primary U14 comp and a primary U16 comp.
Align as much of the fixtures together as possible. The rest just fit in where possible.

Those teams who have two side in a grade, they get the short straw at every point in time. If they are strong enough to have more grades, then they are strong enough to cope with bad deals.
You also must at every opportunity assist any struggling clubs. ie strong clubs play each other more times, struggling clubs play each other more times.

The current draw is a disgrace both logistically and financially. Never happened when I had some (little as it was) involvement in both Metro West and Metro South.

Also... just on Unley in the Under 16 whites... and correct me if my information is wrong.. second hand info
But was Unley short on players to the point that it would have been a forfeit?
And that Henley players then played for Unley?
I would assume if that information is correct, then Unley cannot and would not accept the points that it has been awarded?

This is an enlightening and well informed post

[Yank Man]

Lets be honest, Metro South should bugger off back to their own league and run it properly

How and who has killed it? Wasn't like that at the start!
Or do some of your teams have two teams in each grade? Might be a sign for MWJFL!

And you would produce a fixture that aligned to what most teams had.
U8/U10, a "primary" U12 comp, a primary U14 comp and a primary U16 comp.
Align as much of the fixtures together as possible. The rest just fit in where possible.

Those teams who have two side in a grade, they get the short straw at every point in time. If they are strong enough to have more grades, then they are strong enough to cope with bad deals.
You also must at every opportunity assist any struggling clubs. ie strong clubs play each other more times, struggling clubs play each other more times.

The current draw is a disgrace both logistically and financially. Never happened when I had some (little as it was) involvement in both Metro West and Metro South.

Also... just on Unley in the Under 16 whites... and correct me if my information is wrong.. second hand info
But was Unley short on players to the point that it would have been a forfeit?
And that Henley players then played for Unley?
I would assume if that information is correct, then Unley cannot and would not accept the points that it has been awarded?

This is an enlightening and well informed post

Maddog, my vast years of junior participation showed me footy was always about the kids and their development. (Sorry if it sounds a bit bigheaded cos that's not what I am inferring). Today's junior footy seems to be too much about parent ego. Unley/Mercedes have a lot of kids and I know 1st hand how important they are to their future. Many other clubs are in the same situation also and in this day and age of paying players it is so, so important to have youngsters wanting to play for the club and not the $$$$. Adult organisers need to put things in perspective and if you don't have the numbers then share, just so the kids have a game and learn.

[Mr Beefy]

Lets be honest, Metro South should bugger off back to their own league and run it properly

How and who has killed it? Wasn't like that at the start!
Or do some of your teams have two teams in each grade? Might be a sign for MWJFL!

And you would produce a fixture that aligned to what most teams had.
U8/U10, a "primary" U12 comp, a primary U14 comp and a primary U16 comp.
Align as much of the fixtures together as possible. The rest just fit in where possible.

Those teams who have two side in a grade, they get the short straw at every point in time. If they are strong enough to have more grades, then they are strong enough to cope with bad deals.
You also must at every opportunity assist any struggling clubs. ie strong clubs play each other more times, struggling clubs play each other more times.

The current draw is a disgrace both logistically and financially. Never happened when I had some (little as it was) involvement in both Metro West and Metro South.

Also... just on Unley in the Under 16 whites... and correct me if my information is wrong.. second hand info
But was Unley short on players to the point that it would have been a forfeit?
And that Henley players then played for Unley?
I would assume if that information is correct, then Unley cannot and would not accept the points that it has been awarded?

This is an enlightening and well informed post

Serious?

[Boosh]

Back in the days when it was U/9 U/11 U/13 and U/15 with teams limited to 28 with no option for a second team it was a much more competitive league with more clubs represented and everyone playing at the same ground.

This was changed to suit the AFL/SANFL with the U/16's U/18's set up, mother's who didn't want their precious boys playing against bigger boys and to appease the bigger clubs such as Districts and Henley who control the league.

The basic result is the dog's breakfast we have now, with teams spread all over the place and ultimately a sub par level of football producing lower quality players.

[Lightning McQueen]

Back in the days when it was U/9 U/11 U/13 and U/15 with teams limited to 28 with no option for a second team it was a much more competitive league with more clubs represented and everyone playing at the same ground.

This was changed to suit the AFL/SANFL with the U/16's U/18's set up, mother's who didn't want their precious boys playing against bigger boys and to appease the bigger clubs such as Districts and Henley who control the league.

The basic result is the dog's breakfast we have now, with teams spread all over the place and ultimately a sub par level of football producing lower quality players.

Agreed.

[Jetters]

Back in the days when it was U/9 U/11 U/13 and U/15 with teams limited to 28 with no option for a second team it was a much more competitive league with more clubs represented and everyone playing at the same ground.

This was changed to suit the AFL/SANFL with the U/16's U/18's set up, mother's who didn't want their precious boys playing against bigger boys and to appease the bigger clubs such as Districts and Henley who control the league.

The basic result is the dog's breakfast we have now, with teams spread all over the place and ultimately a sub par level of football producing lower quality players.

Agreed.

So you would be for reducing the opportunity for more kids to be playing footy?

[Lightning McQueen]

Back in the days when it was U/9 U/11 U/13 and U/15 with teams limited to 28 with no option for a second team it was a much more competitive league with more clubs represented and everyone playing at the same ground.

This was changed to suit the AFL/SANFL with the U/16's U/18's set up, mother's who didn't want their precious boys playing against bigger boys and to appease the bigger clubs such as Districts and Henley who control the league.

The basic result is the dog's breakfast we have now, with teams spread all over the place and ultimately a sub par level of football producing lower quality players.

Agreed.

So you would be for reducing the opportunity for more kids to be playing footy?

I'm agreeing that it was set up far better 10 years ago when they had every 2nd age group. I did think back then they could've had a separate div 2 competition for those clubs fortunate enough to have excessive numbers.
It did make the kids have to attend trainings and having cut-off numbers filled up the clubs that struggled for numbers. There were kids travelling past 3 local clubs to go to a more successful club rather than evening up the competitions.

[Boosh]

Back in the days when it was U/9 U/11 U/13 and U/15 with teams limited to 28 with no option for a second team it was a much more competitive league with more clubs represented and everyone playing at the same ground.

This was changed to suit the AFL/SANFL with the U/16's U/18's set up, mother's who didn't want their precious boys playing against bigger boys and to appease the bigger clubs such as Districts and Henley who control the league.

The basic result is the dog's breakfast we have now, with teams spread all over the place and ultimately a sub par level of football producing lower quality players.

Agreed.

So you would be for reducing the opportunity for more kids to be playing footy?

No im saying more clubs with full teams, I would say more people were playing Football in that era of U/9 U/11 etc and there weren't people being turned away.

The club I played for filled our 28 with the kids that came to the most trainings the ones that missed out were sent to another club most often Ethelton or Rosewater.