WHO WILL WALK IF - Crows/Port Reserves discussion

[Harry the Horse]

The SANFL season launch is exactly the right forum to be hijacked by AFL questions.
This is the biggest decision this league will have to make since 1964 ... and history suggests they stuffed that one up.
The room was full of SANFL coaches and league and club officials all with their own agendas, all playing politics and most of them too scared to open their mouths to stand up for what they think.
Credit to Andy Collins for having the balls to say what he thought and hopefully it sunk in through the thick ears of anyone thinking a Crows reserves team in the SANFL is a good idea.
Godden is entitled to his opinion but he did qualify it by saying IF the Crows are serious about competing for the SANFL premiership. We all know that is not their agenda.
And quite frankly, even if it was, it still doesn't mean they deserve a place in the competition.

[Booney]

The SANFL season launch is exactly the right forum to be hijacked by AFL questions.
This is the biggest decision this league will have to make since 1964 ... and history suggests they stuffed that one up.
The room was full of SANFL coaches and league and club officials all with their own agendas, all playing politics and most of them too scared to open their mouths to stand up for what they think.
Credit to Andy Collins for having the balls to say what he thought and hopefully it sunk in through the thick ears of anyone thinking a Crows reserves team in the SANFL is a good idea.
Godden is entitled to his opinion but he did qualify it by saying IF the Crows are serious about competing for the SANFL premiership. We all know that is not their agenda.
And quite frankly, even if it was, it still doesn't mean they deserve a place in the competition.

Nice.

[CENTURION]

The SANFL season launch is exactly the right forum to be hijacked by AFL questions.
This is the biggest decision this league will have to make since 1964 ... and history suggests they stuffed that one up.
The room was full of SANFL coaches and league and club officials all with their own agendas, all playing politics and most of them too scared to open their mouths to stand up for what they think.
Credit to Andy Collins for having the balls to say what he thought and hopefully it sunk in through the thick ears of anyone thinking a Crows reserves team in the SANFL is a good idea.
Godden is entitled to his opinion but he did qualify it by saying IF the Crows are serious about competing for the SANFL premiership. We all know that is not their agenda.
And quite frankly, even if it was, it still doesn't mean they deserve a place in the competition.

Nice.

partly. Woodville was a failure, The CDFC has been a huge success.

[JamesH]

Godds has just made himself public enemy no.1, good comments by Collins but he forgot to mention his pay packet may also influenced his move to West, and Bone, what else would you expect from an ex hack North coach?

I believe Ron Fuller has supported the concept in the past.

Interestingly Andrew Collins is the only coach to play VFA and coach VFL so he got to see the change in competition culture..... so his words may be worth listening too (for the record Coburg were not Stand alone they were aligned to Richmond).

Nobody I know in VFA circles is happy on how the VFA evolved into the VFL (they made many mistakes that the SANFL needs to avoid).

Personally I really dont know what is best for footy - I dont want the extra 25+ AFL listed players lost to the SANFL each week but I want also want the SANFL as it was 20 years ago.

[DOC]

This is what Ron said:

"As I mentioned last year, I personally don’t have a problem with it as long as it doesn’t compromise the SANFL competition.
It is a difficult to imagine how it can’t be compromised in some way though.
One way it wouldn’t be however is to have the AFL reserves play in the SANFL reserves competition.
Obviously the standard won’t be as high as they would wish but they are primarily about development and the SANFL reserves competition is very much a development grade."

Thus, clearly not in the league.

[on the rails]

This is what Ron said:

"As I mentioned last year, I personally don’t have a problem with it as long as it doesn’t compromise the SANFL competition.
It is a difficult to imagine how it can’t be compromised in some way though.
One way it wouldn’t be however is to have the AFL reserves play in the SANFL reserves competition.
Obviously the standard won’t be as high as they would wish but they are primarily about development and the SANFL reserves competition is very much a development grade."

Thus, clearly not in the league.

Sensible thinking there and I think going by what I know this is the only option the 8 club Directors will even entertain - Reserves Comp or go elsewhere!

[Booney]

So the Magpies continue to play in the league with no Power listed players.

Beaut.

[therisingblues]

So the Magpies continue to play in the league with no Power listed players.

Beaut.

Glad to have some true Magpie fans on board.
I've read some rubbish by your two headed half-brothers on here recently and it makes me wonder if they have any love for the magpies or the SANFL at all.
Onya Booney and other true Magpie fans. Piss that Power mob off elsewhere!

[Failed Creation]

So the Magpies continue to play in the league with no Power listed players.

Beaut.

Glad to have some true Magpie fans on board.
I've read some rubbish by your two headed half-brothers on here recently and it makes me wonder if they have any love for the magpies or the SANFL at all.
Onya Booney and other true Magpie fans. Piss that Power mob off elsewhere!

Agreed.

[beenreal]

So the Magpies continue to play in the league with no Power listed players.

Beaut.

Glad to have some true Magpie fans on board.
I've read some rubbish by your two headed half-brothers on here recently and it makes me wonder if they have any love for the magpies or the SANFL at all.
Onya Booney and other true Magpie fans. Piss that Power mob off elsewhere!

Agreed.

Ahh, so it's divide and conquer is it?

Funny, because I probably attend more SANFL games featuring a variety of teams other than my own than most of you, therefore feeling eminently qualified to pass comment on the competition as I see fit.

And among all the backslapping for the likes of Magpie loving Booney, I'm sure I also read a devotion to the Power under his user name.

I guess we're all selective in our arguments when we choose to be?

[therisingblues]

Speaking of selective, beenreal, while Booney loves his Power he still has enough wit to realise that them turning the Magpies into Power reserves would mean the end of the Maggies as he and we know them. Which is the issue here.
Surprised I needed to explain that to you.
Divide and conquer? What a crock! Would it be better to slag all Port fans off on the back of some shitty self obsessed attitude of some Power fans? I've read too many sensible comments from true Magpie fans to do that. It'd be wrong to list them because I'm bound to forget a few, but as a follower of a side also under the hammer I totally empathize with their plight, and the fact their whole club has been tainted by their overbearing sibling.
Something I'd hate to happen to the Blues.

[Booney]

At no point have I ever said that the Power / Magpies alignment would spell the end of the Magpies. I agree it would be unlikley to find any outcome that saw the Magpies exist as the Power's reserves, and trust me, I'd like to see both.

The AFL alignment to the reserves really is the answer. Let's hope that avenue is the one pursued.

[beenreal]

Speaking of selective, beenreal, while Booney loves his Power he still has enough wit to realise that them turning the Magpies into Power reserves would mean the end of the Maggies as he and we know them. Which is the issue here.
Surprised I needed to explain that to you.
Divide and conquer? What a crock! Would it be better to slag all Port fans off on the back of some shitty self obsessed attitude of some Power fans? I've read too many sensible comments from true Magpie fans to do that. It'd be wrong to list them because I'm bound to forget a few, but as a follower of a side also under the hammer I totally empathize with their plight, and the fact their whole club has been tainted by their overbearing sibling.
Something I'd hate to happen to the Blues.

Keith Thomas has publicly stated that there will continue to be a Magpies in the SANFL where all PAFC players will play. If you're calling our CEO a liar that's your choice.

Clearly the only comments described as "sensible" are the ones that agree with you and yours.

Personally I've listened to the same NIMBY arguments ad nauseum since the 80s. The player retention scheme, the stand alone "pact" with the WAFL ( until they reneged without finger pointing accusations of being Traitors), the "we're not joining the AFL until everything's perfect (which it never is), the "we want to be the second best competition" (who ever wants to be second best?)

It's no different to 1911 when the same arguments were spruiked OPPOSING the Adelaide Oval Scoreboard (it will be a blight on the landscape). It's the same arguments OPPOSING the Adelaide Oval development (we want it kept just the way it is). It's the same argument from the protesters currently on the steps of Parliament House OPPOSING the walk bridge (what's wrong with walking on the road?)

Apparently it's called South Australia and its the reason everyone complains that nothing ever gets done here.

[dedja]

No, some people just simply hate Port ...

[Booney]

No, some people just simply hate Port ...

You poor underachieving souls.

[therisingblues]

Speaking of selective, beenreal, while Booney loves his Power he still has enough wit to realise that them turning the Magpies into Power reserves would mean the end of the Maggies as he and we know them. Which is the issue here.
Surprised I needed to explain that to you.
Divide and conquer? What a crock! Would it be better to slag all Port fans off on the back of some shitty self obsessed attitude of some Power fans? I've read too many sensible comments from true Magpie fans to do that. It'd be wrong to list them because I'm bound to forget a few, but as a follower of a side also under the hammer I totally empathize with their plight, and the fact their whole club has been tainted by their overbearing sibling.
Something I'd hate to happen to the Blues.

Keith Thomas has publicly stated that there will continue to be a Magpies in the SANFL where all PAFC players will play. If you're calling our CEO a liar that's your choice.

Clearly the only comments described as "sensible" are the ones that agree with you and yours.

Personally I've listened to the same NIMBY arguments ad nauseum since the 80s. The player retention scheme, the stand alone "pact" with the WAFL ( until they reneged without finger pointing accusations of being Traitors), the "we're not joining the AFL until everything's perfect (which it never is), the "we want to be the second best competition" (who ever wants to be second best?)

It's no different to 1911 when the same arguments were spruiked OPPOSING the Adelaide Oval Scoreboard (it will be a blight on the landscape). It's the same arguments OPPOSING the Adelaide Oval development (we want it kept just the way it is). It's the same argument from the protesters currently on the steps of Parliament House OPPOSING the walk bridge (what's wrong with walking on the road?)

Apparently it's called South Australia and its the reason everyone complains that nothing ever gets done here.

Oh yes, clearly the AFL has been wonderful for the SANFL, how silly of all those nimbys to ever oppose it.
P.S, I said Magpies "as we know them". Does everything need to be spelled out?

[on the rails]

Keith Thomas has publicly stated that there will continue to be a Magpies in the SANFL where all PAFC players will play. If you're calling our CEO a liar that's your choice.

He is only saying that to appease the Magpie "die hards". It may happen though - an 8 Team League comp without the Magpies and the Power Reserves play in the SANFL Reserves Comp. Reserves Comp is still part SANFL and KT is not specific in his claim / wish as to which bit of the SANFL the Magpies will continue in! I would assume to keep the diehards happy they call them Magpies and wear the B&W Prison Bars. Doesn't really much matter in the end does it what they are called!

You cannot think the PAFC will be able to or want to fund an additional "Senior Team" and keep the Magpies and their supporting grades / teams nor should the SANFL or AFL allow it after the financial mismangement of running it's current set up!

[dedja]

No, some people just simply hate Port ...

You poor underachieving souls.

Keep holding on to those memories ... that's all you'll have soon

[beenreal]

Keith Thomas has publicly stated that there will continue to be a Magpies in the SANFL where all PAFC players will play. If you're calling our CEO a liar that's your choice.

He is only saying that to appease the Magpie "die hards". It may happen though - an 8 Team League comp without the Magpies and the Power Reserves play in the SANFL Reserves Comp. Reserves Comp is still part SANFL and KT is not specific in his claim / wish as to which bit of the SANFL the Magpies will continue in! I would assume to keep the diehards happy they call them Magpies and wear the B&W Prison Bars. Doesn't really much matter in the end does it what they are called!

You cannot think the PAFC will be able to or want to fund an additional "Senior Team" and keep the Magpies and their supporting grades / teams nor should the SANFL or AFL allow it after the financial mismangement of running it's current set up!

He was specific in stating that the Magpies will continue to strive for SANFL Premierships. Should you have indepth insights to the contrary, I'll certainly be interested in anything specific.

Forget about the competition they play in. Geelong strived to win the VFL Flag last year and the whole club put its post season celebrating on hold until they had finished. It is possible to focus on success at every level and that is what the focus of the PAFC is.

And constant references to previous mis-management clearly demonstrates how focused on the past so many of you are. Current management, coaching structure and international sponsors, etc. bears little resemblance to the Pre-broom PAFC.

[Booney]

No, some people just simply hate Port ...

You poor underachieving souls.

Keep holding on to those memories ... that's all you'll have soon

Tell me about all your good memories. I've got a couple of minutes.