Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2012 - 2013

[heater31]

Not exactly encouraging people to play the game.

[Trader]

Not exactly encouraging people to play the game.

Well the alternative is to scrap the 50% rule, and just say it's whereever you played in Rd 9.
Goodwood drop their entire A's to the B's, and all play finals. Bad luck to the 11 blokes who did the hard work to get them there.

You have to draw the line somewhere, 50% seems about right to me.

[Brumbies]

My understanding of the rule is that a player does not need a permit to play finals in a higher grade as long as they have played at least 3 two day matches or 5 one day matches for the club in the season.

Not quite, if you follow those rules you run the risk of losing the game on protest.

Looking at the bylaws the only way I can see this been the case is if the player also played 50% of their matches in a higher grade.
For example: A player plays the first 5 matches in the A's, then goes down to the C's for the final 4 matches, then the B's want him to play finals for them. (Which would be rare)

Is there another way a protest could be successful ?

Yes, a guy who has played 2 B's and 5 C's for example can't play B-grade without a permit.

The bylaws are very clear this season, to play in a 2 day final you need to have done the following:
1) Not played 50% or more in a higher grade during that season (known as the 50% rule), and
2) Played at least 3 games in that team during that season (known as the 3 game rule).

If you haven't met both criteria, you need a permit, simple as that.

For the LOs change rule 2 to 5 games or 25% (whichever is lower).


If a guy wants to go down to play B grade, he MUST have played 3 games in the B's that season AND played more than 50% in the B's or lower.

The bylaws have been that way for two seasons now, not sure why a club like Goodwood wouldn't understand them.

As I understand it, the 3 games in that team rule was added / tweaked (used to be 3 for the club) as a result of a few clubs having a good LOB side, that just misses finals, so they then bring all those guys up to play C2 for example and win a cheap flag.
I must admit, while it does cause some problems, it's good to see a clear set of rules and the turf keen to enforce them.

Interestingly, the turf could re-write the bylaws to include just the above two criteria. This would potentially make it clearer for those who struggle to understand it. The section on the bylaws that talks about subbing 1 and 2 day games etc just becomes confusing, and is irrelivant given that this criteria must be met if you meet #2 above.

No worries, was not aware that this part of the rule had been changed.

[Brumbies]

Not exactly encouraging people to play the game.

Well the alternative is to scrap the 50% rule, and just say it's whereever you played in Rd 9.
Goodwood drop their entire A's to the B's, and all play finals. Bad luck to the 11 blokes who did the hard work to get them there.

You have to draw the line somewhere, 50% seems about right to me.

Players still can apply for permits if they don't meet the criteria.

As long as the ATCA people who review these permits use a bit of common sense, their decision SHOULD be the correct outcome most of the time.

[Trader]

Not exactly encouraging people to play the game.

Well the alternative is to scrap the 50% rule, and just say it's whereever you played in Rd 9.
Goodwood drop their entire A's to the B's, and all play finals. Bad luck to the 11 blokes who did the hard work to get them there.

You have to draw the line somewhere, 50% seems about right to me.

Players still can apply for permits if they don't meet the criteria.

As long as the ATCA people who review these permits use a bit of common sense, their decision SHOULD be the correct outcome most of the time.

Exactly!

[no_remorse28]

Will also add the first one has played the last 3 in the B grade due to form reasons. its not like he's been shit all year so we will drop him in the last one so he can play...

wright from Pembroke has played the last 3 in A1's after genuinely earning his spot after dominating B3, should he there fore not be allowed to play B3 finals as he was genuinely playing a far higher grade . Rules are there for a reason. Get over it

[OKC!]

Will also add the first one has played the last 3 in the B grade due to form reasons. its not like he's been shit all year so we will drop him in the last one so he can play...

wright from Pembroke has played the last 3 in A1's after genuinely earning his spot after dominating B3, should he there fore not be allowed to play B3 finals as he was genuinely playing a far higher grade . Rules are there for a reason. Get over it

but by the rules, he can play in B3.

[no_remorse28]

Will also add the first one has played the last 3 in the B grade due to form reasons. its not like he's been shit all year so we will drop him in the last one so he can play...

wright from Pembroke has played the last 3 in A1's after genuinely earning his spot after dominating B3, should he there fore not be allowed to play B3 finals as he was genuinely playing a far higher grade . Rules are there for a reason. Get over it

but by the rules, he can play in B3.

I understand that, was more referring to that if its withing the rules then quit your bitching I.e regardless of being dropped its in the rules for this bloke NOT to play, and regardless of being picked higher its within the rules FOR wright to play. Hence get over it

[EldersUniSA]

I don't really have much of an opinion about the A Grade 2 days, but the rules stopping certain players going up grades play pivotal role in LO's and low 2 day grades. Mainly because it helps stop mass changes to final sides for players going up, mean while joe and jim bloggs misses out after playing in the grade all year and getting the team to the finals.

[rod_rooster]

I don't really have much of an opinion about the A Grade 2 days, but the rules stopping certain players going up grades play pivotal role in LO's and low 2 day grades. Mainly because it helps stop mass changes to final sides for players going up, mean while joe and jim bloggs misses out after playing in the grade all year and getting the team to the finals.

Whilst Joe and Jim Bloggs might miss a game who cares? We are not playing kids sport where we don't keep score. Sure if a bloke has played more than 50% of cricket in a higher grade he shouldn't be allowed to play but other than that why shouldn't he? An A1 side should surely be able to pick any player they have for a semi final or a grand final.

[EldersUniSA]

I don't really have much of an opinion about the A Grade 2 days, but the rules stopping certain players going up grades play pivotal role in LO's and low 2 day grades. Mainly because it helps stop mass changes to final sides for players going up, mean while joe and jim bloggs misses out after playing in the grade all year and getting the team to the finals.

Whilst Joe and Jim Bloggs might miss a game who cares? We are not playing kids sport where we don't keep score. Sure if a bloke has played more than 50% of cricket in a higher grade he shouldn't be allowed to play but other than that why shouldn't he? An A1 side should surely be able to pick any player they have for a semi final or a grand final.

Different worlds. And yet the rule is there. Perhaps because clubs were spreading their good players would it be fair to make 8 changes to a regular team? or even 11? what a joke that would be.

[Biggsy]

I don't really have much of an opinion about the A Grade 2 days, but the rules stopping certain players going up grades play pivotal role in LO's and low 2 day grades. Mainly because it helps stop mass changes to final sides for players going up, mean while joe and jim bloggs misses out after playing in the grade all year and getting the team to the finals.

Whilst Joe and Jim Bloggs might miss a game who cares? We are not playing kids sport where we don't keep score. Sure if a bloke has played more than 50% of cricket in a higher grade he shouldn't be allowed to play but other than that why shouldn't he? An A1 side should surely be able to pick any player they have for a semi final or a grand final.

Different worlds. And yet the rule is there. Perhaps because clubs were spreading their good players would it be fair to make 8 changes to a regular team? or even 11? what a joke that would be.

Who cares, it happens in every club, politics always take over, Uraidla is renowned for it!!

[beeroclock]

Farmers all out 90 odd before tea.

[Executive Member]

LOC
Brahma Lodge all out 83
Multicultural all out 60

Amazing what happens when lower grades get umpires

[OKC!]

Pooraka def Ingle farm.

98 to 4/174

[Bluedemon]

LOC
Brahma Lodge all out 83
Multicultural all out 60

Amazing what happens when lower grades get umpires

the snicks get given

[rod_rooster]

Woody Rechs all out for 37 in A1.

[Sonofbrowny25]

Trinity made 220

[BenchedEagle]

A4.
Penfield made 282 came out today and pitch was underwater!!!
Coincidence??

[Brumbies]

A4.
Penfield made 282 came out today and pitch was underwater!!!
Coincidence??

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is.

Not suggesting any foul play but..

Do Fulham take responsibility as the home team for whatever happened and conceed the match
or
Do they blame the curator / council for the mistake (who may have actually been at fault), take the draw and play in the GF next week.

I remember a semi a few years ago up at Ingle Farm where a similar thing happened and Ingle Farm conceeded the match.