Points System

[Navy2005]

I just wanted to know what people think of the points system that is currently in place for the recruitment of players at amateur and country level?

Personally I am not a fan of the idea I believe that at amateur and country level footy players should be free to play wherever they like and should be able to represent their club in whatever grade the club wants them to.

But would like to hear what other people think?

[Yank Man]

The points system in country footy is terrible. In SAAFL all clubs get 15 pts no matter what. How can a club like Langhorne Creek who finish 3rd in the minor round get more points than Yankalilla who finished 2nd? The Creek's won back to back Flags and are again in a better position than the 2 teams above them. Lends to tanking.

[kickittome]

The points system in country footy is terrible. In SAAFL all clubs get 15 pts no matter what. How can a club like Langhorne Creek who finish 3rd in the minor round get more points than Yankalilla who finished 2nd? The Creek's won back to back Flags and are again in a better position than the 2 teams above them. Lends to tanking.

So "yankman" are you suggesting that the creek lost games on purpose just to gain an extra couple of points? Highly unlikely mate. Creeks struggled to get there best team on the park until late in the year, always knew that when they were full strength no one would get near them. I have heard that yank are always the club wanting the points system changed at league meetings. And your comments back this up. It gets changed to your liking then a year later you whinge again. Other clubs have been affected as well mate but just get on with it. The rule this year with the points allocated being averaged over the last three years finishing position has hindered a few clubs. E.g strath who in the last three years have finished 1st/3rd and 8th after losing a heap of locals now only get 11 instead of 15pts but big deal one extra player isn't gonns make a huge difference surely?

[Navy2005]

The thing is though why can't players choose to play for whatever club they want to without being restricted in what grade they can represent their club in. The salary cap should be the means to stop clubs buying in too many recruits. All that the points system serves to do is stop players playing for there club of choice and possibly forcing them into playing for clubs that they may not want to in order to have a better chance of playing a-grade football.

[heater31]

The thing is though why can't players choose to play for whatever club they want to without being restricted in what grade they can represent their club in. The salary cap should be the means to stop clubs buying in too many recruits. All that the points system serves to do is stop players playing for there club of choice and possibly forcing them into playing for clubs that they may not want to in order to have a better chance of playing a-grade football.

but how do you police a Salary Cap? Tried and failed at that idea.

The APPS rewards club loyalty with players staying at the one club for multiple seasons so to buy a premiership it takes time to recruit the right people that want to be at your club for the right reasons not just for the cash and once it dries up not look to be jumping ship to the next cashed up club.

[Navy2005]

I agree with what you said but the problem is what happens when you get a a few guys that arrive at a club at the same time. played A-Grade elsewhere the season before don't want money just want to play for their local club but can't play in the seniors beause of some points system.

I understand the point system is there to stop players changing clubs every five minutes for a bigger pay cheque. But the points system disadvantages players that just want to represent their club at the top level but are told they can only play B-Grade because of the points system even tho they maybe in the clubs best side.

The thing is though why can't players choose to play for whatever club they want to without being restricted in what grade they can represent their club in. The salary cap should be the means to stop clubs buying in too many recruits. All that the points system serves to do is stop players playing for there club of choice and possibly forcing them into playing for clubs that they may not want to in order to have a better chance of playing a-grade football.

but how do you police a Salary Cap? Tried and failed at that idea.

The APPS rewards club loyalty with players staying at the one club for multiple seasons so to buy a premiership it takes time to recruit the right people that want to be at your club for the right reasons not just for the cash and once it dries up not look to be jumping ship to the next cashed up club.

[Boosh]

It certainly has it's faults but with today's footballers demanding more money and offering very little in return, it does limit the ability for some of these vultures to change clubs.

[MakeMyDay]

Salary cap was always a rort . How many clubs running double books, offering free rent, jobs, etc, etc, to players which never shows in any financials. Cellar dwellers are there because they don't have the resoucres to compete financially with the upper echilon paricularly in country footy considering $35,000 was the cap, including coach payments, and well known $100,000 would be nearer the mark, plus Bigger clubs just have to suck it up!! Always the first to whinge and beat the boards ears to get what they want. Bottom feeders will still be there and no threat but perhaps in time have half a chance if lucky at moving up the table. SAAFL at least have auto promotion / relagation counrt footy does'nt

[Caramels]

Sh*thouse idea! Doesn't stop the greedy, only makes them ask for more and clubs are silly enough to pay it. Prostitution in another form!

[White Line Fever]

All the points system has done is drive payments up.
Instead of paying 6 guys $200 they are paying 3 guys $400+
System doesn't work.

[Yank Man]

The points system in country footy is terrible. In SAAFL all clubs get 15 pts no matter what. How can a club like Langhorne Creek who finish 3rd in the minor round get more points than Yankalilla who finished 2nd? The Creek's won back to back Flags and are again in a better position than the 2 teams above them. Lends to tanking.

So "yankman" are you suggesting that the creek lost games on purpose just to gain an extra couple of points? Highly unlikely mate. Creeks struggled to get there best team on the park until late in the year, always knew that when they were full strength no one would get near them. I have heard that yank are always the club wanting the points system changed at league meetings. And your comments back this up. It gets changed to your liking then a year later you whinge again. Other clubs have been affected as well mate but just get on with it. The rule this year with the points allocated being averaged over the last three years finishing position has hindered a few clubs. E.g strath who in the last three years have finished 1st/3rd and 8th after losing a heap of locals now only get 11 instead of 15pts but big deal one extra player isn't gonns make a huge difference surely?

NO, not my suggestion at all. Just saying that due to some injury concerns they were fortunate to gain by it in the end. Creeks are a great club and would never compromise their position. Sorry if that was how it was perceived. This is my 1st season in GSFL and I don't quite comprehend the country points system as yet. As I said in SAAFL, where I have been involved in for 16 years, all clubs were given 15 points which to me seemed fair. But I also understand how country associations want to stop the strong clubs eating up the weak.

[Amateur Footy]

I am yet to appreciate any significant benefits of the points system for country footy leagues. The main benefit of the system is for the SANFL as it makes it more difficult for amateur clubs to recruit higher level players. It is now more assisting to the higher level SAAFL clubs too.

It can never fix the rich/poor club issues given the richer clubs are generally successful and don't have a high turnover of players. A rich club will pay more to keep it's players so that it doesn't face any points issues (it's very easy to maintain your list and stay under points when you can pay healthy wages to many players). Poorer clubs who are less successful will have their work cut out to retain players and slowly recruit to improve performances which in turn will improve player stability - yes it can be done but much harder coming from the bottom when you can't recruit heavily to be succesful immediately.

It does prevent a club from going on a recruiting spree to buy a premiership which is a good thing.

In the HFL randowm extra points have been allocated to clubs who apply for them which defeats the whole purpose.

With any luck the system will be scrapped in a few years as a waste of time, however with the SANFL pulling the strings this isn't likely to happen. The salary cap from 10-12 years ago was the only useful system but impossible to enforce. Let players play where they want and if clubs wqant to buy premierships good luck to them

[FOURTH ESTATE]

I am yet to appreciate any significant benefits of the points system for country footy leagues. The main benefit of the system is for the SANFL as it makes it more difficult for amateur clubs to recruit higher level players. It is now more assisting to the higher level SAAFL clubs too.

It can never fix the rich/poor club issues given the richer clubs are generally successful and don't have a high turnover of players. A rich club will pay more to keep it's players so that it doesn't face any points issues (it's very easy to maintain your list and stay under points when you can pay healthy wages to many players). Poorer clubs who are less successful will have their work cut out to retain players and slowly recruit to improve performances which in turn will improve player stability - yes it can be done but much harder coming from the bottom when you can't recruit heavily to be succesful immediately.

It does prevent a club from going on a recruiting spree to buy a premiership which is a good thing.

In the HFL randowm extra points have been allocated to clubs who apply for them which defeats the whole purpose.

With any luck the system will be scrapped in a few years as a waste of time, however with the SANFL pulling the strings this isn't likely to happen. The salary cap from 10-12 years ago was the only useful system but impossible to enforce. Let players play where they want and if clubs wqant to buy premierships good luck to them

Pretty dumb comment it doesn't help us in any way shape or form. The SANFL has realised that it is not the SAAFL that is the problem but the country leagues who pay stupid amounts to reserves players who cannot kick over a jam tin. Even the head honcho at the CFL has said it is the worst thing he has ever done bringing this system in and the bane of his existence and causes more headaches than he needs.

The sooner it is gone the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amateur Footy]

If you think that is a dumb comment you don't understand the system. If Amateurs are worth more than country leagues then it must be more assisting to them - atleast that was the goal of the increased points. The system only serves to try to make it more difficult to recruit higher level players which it will have limited success with anyway.

Given we agree the system is a joke and a waste of time, perhaps you might like to be a little more subtle in your remarks and think before you post.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Amateurs are not worth more than country leagues all are worth 3 points.

Internal transfers within the SAAFL are 2pts

External transfers of SAAFL reserves players D1R - D3R are worth 2pts to country leagues.

I knew about this system coming into the SAAFL a year before it came. There are about 3-5 of us in the SAAFL who know more about this system than anyone else. We have been picking holes in it since early 2010 and have made the CFL look quite stupid with it on numerous occasions.

How is it more assisting to the higher level SAAFL clubs? That comment make no sense. The system is more of a hinderance to the higher level clubs than anythink.

[Look Good In Leather]

Amateurs are not worth more than country leagues all are worth 3 points.

Internal transfers within the SAAFL are 2pts

External transfers of SAAFL reserves players D1R - D3R are worth 2pts to country leagues.

I knew about this system coming into the SAAFL a year before it came. There are about 3-5 of us in the SAAFL who know more about this system than anyone else. We have been picking holes in it since early 2010 and have made the CFL look quite stupid with it on numerous occasions.

How is it more assisting to the higher level SAAFL clubs? That comment make no sense. The system is more of a hinderance to the higher level clubs than anythink.

Equivalent players from country leagues worth 0 points

[Champ]

I think its funny that the points system is also having holes blown in it just like the salary cap system however its definitaly a feel good strategy by the powers that be on how to make the game fair.

I just wonder why at amateur level any sport would need any such rules outside of qualification.

Yes, there are cashed up clubs but they are also effected by cycles sooner or later and last I checked none of them actually recieved cash for winning premierships. In reality all the points system is doing is buying some clubs a small window of opportunity to win a flag.

Cashed up clubs are still cashed up, in time they will be able to simply retain players while still recruiting albeit fewer each year; before you know it the cash will prevail again.

But fo the record I think the system has to be simplified and completed BEFORE being imposed anywhere and no half arsed and adapted/changed each year to cover the fact in wasn't well enough put together in the first place.

Further more I'd like to make a proposal for whoever it is that's in charge. (can someone give me their number?)

As with under 17's being ruled 0 pointers why dont we rule over 35's pointers? Keeps people in the game longer and they'd have same similar impacts on games to their younger counterparts. I mean amature foot is no the AFL so the more involved of all ages the better.

[Look Good In Leather]

I think its funny that the points system is also having holes blown in it just like the salary cap system however its definitaly a feel good strategy by the powers that be on how to make the game fair.

I just wonder why at amateur level any sport would need any such rules outside of qualification.

Yes, there are cashed up clubs but they are also effected by cycles sooner or later and last I checked none of them actually recieved cash for winning premierships. In reality all the points system is doing is buying some clubs a small window of opportunity to win a flag.

Cashed up clubs are still cashed up, in time they will be able to simply retain players while still recruiting albeit fewer each year; before you know it the cash will prevail again.

But fo the record I think the system has to be simplified and completed BEFORE being imposed anywhere and no half arsed and adapted/changed each year to cover the fact in wasn't well enough put together in the first place.

Further more I'd like to make a proposal for whoever it is that's in charge. (can someone give me their number?)

As with under 17's being ruled 0 pointers why dont we rule over 35's pointers? Keeps people in the game longer and they'd have same similar impacts on games to their younger counterparts. I mean amature foot is no the AFL so the more involved of all ages the better.

...and there is the problem, the people in charge think that they are running amateur sport. Our game has not been amateur in any sense of the word for many years (other than at reserves and junior level). Even the Amateur League did away with amateur status a number of years ago. We are operating in a semi-professional environment but are trying to apply amateur rules to that - it just does not work.

What does soccer do in this state, is FFSA amateur?? Absolutely not, do they have a point system to stop clubs from recruiting?

Lets face it clubs are going to have a budget to recruit players each year, it is part of our game and not necessarily a bad thing. If that budget is restricted to less potential recruits, then we are artificially inflating prices.

[Champ]

As with under 17's being ruled 0 pointers why dont we rule over 35's pointers? Keeps people in the game longer and they'd have same similar impacts on games to their younger counterparts. I mean amature foot is no the AFL so the more involved of all ages the better.[/quote]

...and there is the problem, the people in charge think that they are running amateur sport. Our game has not been amateur in any sense of the word for many years (other than at reserves and junior level). Even the Amateur League did away with amateur status a number of years ago. We are operating in a semi-professional environment but are trying to apply amateur rules to that - it just does not work.

What does soccer do in this state, is FFSA amateur?? Absolutely not, do they have a point system to stop clubs from recruiting?

Lets face it clubs are going to have a budget to recruit players each year, it is part of our game and not necessarily a bad thing. If that budget is restricted to less potential recruits, then we are artificially inflating prices.[/quote]

All good points, not only re prics being jacked up but the actual quality of the product (players) will weaken. I'd say that the FFSA is comparitive to the SANFL which is semi professional.

[piccachu]

We have a bloke playing for us at the moment who was an X junior of the club played about 50 games from under 9s - 13s then moved to Queensland with his parents for there work commitments,
This Lad has never played a game in adelaide for any other club, His father was the First ever A grade coach at our club yet he is still classed as a points player due to him playing his required 25 games before a certain age, my question is do people have to Graduate from there College to become 0 point players for the old scholar clubs?