Para District Cricket Association 2012/13

[Phantom Gossiper]

Pretty hard to attract players nowadays unless it's with coin. I don't think you guys getting up is such an upset, you have played in the last 3 GF's. Craigmore and ATCO getting up are no real surprises for me either, I' guessing the final's race will be over by round 11 this season.

Yeah you're right about the coin, definately makes life hard!

We may have played in the last 3 GF's but you have to judge us on current form and this year we have struggled to fire a shot while OTH have been outstanding. Not to mention we have a very different looking side, and have lost a lot of experience over the past couple of years.

Craigmore potentially could become a solid Grade 1 side, ATCO I think lack depth, not sure on the finals race being over, but i'm pretty sure the top couple will already be sewn up - think there will be a greater battle to avoid relegation than to make the 4..

[Thats Gold]

SAMCA have finally released the venue for the next round of 20/20 games

Payneham vs Craigmore @ 9:30am @ Payneham Oval
Goodwood vs Rosies @ 12:30pm @ Payneham Oval

Would have thought there might have been a couple of venues that have the facilities to hold two games at the same time?
On the bright side, at least we got the late game. Pretty sure we have a couple of fellas that have a Christmas show on the Saturday night.

Up at 7:30am on a Sunday....FML!

[Lightning McQueen]

Pretty hard to attract players nowadays unless it's with coin. I don't think you guys getting up is such an upset, you have played in the last 3 GF's. Craigmore and ATCO getting up are no real surprises for me either, I' guessing the final's race will be over by round 11 this season.

Yeah you're right about the coin, definately makes life hard!

We may have played in the last 3 GF's but you have to judge us on current form and this year we have struggled to fire a shot while OTH have been outstanding. Not to mention we have a very different looking side, and have lost a lot of experience over the past couple of years.

Craigmore potentially could become a solid Grade 1 side, ATCO I think lack depth, not sure on the finals race being over, but i'm pretty sure the top couple will already be sewn up - think there will be a greater battle to avoid relegation than to make the 4..

I agree with your Craigmore prediction, they have an excellent mix of youth and experience, got at least half a dozen great kids coming through that will only prosper from the Grade 1 experience this season.
I think Andy's departure has been a huge loss for Angle Vale, we'll see how they go if he can sneak a few one-dayers in. Virginia usually start slowly but 3 and a half rounds in and they haven't fired a shot, maybe their run in 1's is coming to an end.
The Goats have been the big improver's, they'll finish top two for the minor round, Unit's and you guys to round out the 4.

[Lightning McQueen]

SAMCA have finally released the venue for the next round of 20/20 games

Payneham vs Craigmore @ 9:30am @ Payneham Oval
Goodwood vs Rosies @ 12:30pm @ Payneham Oval

Would have thought there might have been a couple of venues that have the facilities to hold two games at the same time?
On the bright side, at least we got the late game. Pretty sure we have a couple of fellas that have a Christmas show on the Saturday night.

Up at 7:30am on a Sunday....FML!

Don't go to sleep.

[Grahaml]

Have it like an A1, A2 etc where A grades play just A grades and after that open slather. B grade sides playing C grades isn't a big deal, but you'd need to make sure a sides in the position that Wasleys are can play where they might be competitive. I don't see any benefit in having A1 reserves.

Have to agree , only way a 1 reserves works is if they are a grade sides that can come up to grade 1.

I'd rather see whoever your A's play, your B's play the same club away.
Based purely on current positions.

What real benefit is having the B grade competition determined by the strength of a club's A grade? I thought the point of the discussion was trying to even out the competition, but that plan doesn't do that at all. We've seen over the years many good grade 1 sides with B grades struggling a few grades lower. Two Wells a few years ago was one of the strongest grade 1 teams with a B grade beaten outright by over an innings by our C grade. Virginia's B grade last year went winless in grade 3 and you want to match them up against a B grade that made grade 2 finals. For zero gain you're going to end up with a lopsided grade, which is exactly what we're trying to avoid!

[Lightning McQueen]

Have it like an A1, A2 etc where A grades play just A grades and after that open slather. B grade sides playing C grades isn't a big deal, but you'd need to make sure a sides in the position that Wasleys are can play where they might be competitive. I don't see any benefit in having A1 reserves.

Have to agree , only way a 1 reserves works is if they are a grade sides that can come up to grade 1.

I'd rather see whoever your A's play, your B's play the same club away.
Based purely on current positions.

What real benefit is having the B grade competition determined by the strength of a club's A grade? I thought the point of the discussion was trying to even out the competition, but that plan doesn't do that at all. We've seen over the years many good grade 1 sides with B grades struggling a few grades lower. Two Wells a few years ago was one of the strongest grade 1 teams with a B grade beaten outright by over an innings by our C grade. Virginia's B grade last year went winless in grade 3 and you want to match them up against a B grade that made grade 2 finals. For zero gain you're going to end up with a lopsided grade, which is exactly what we're trying to avoid!

Which B Grade that made the Grade 2 finals am I matching them up against?

[norm11]

Not disputing that fact at all Oz, just a little perplexed as to why a venue with two ovals, ala Pooraka, wasn't chosen?

And Norm.... huh? Did you mean day/date? December 2nd.

yes date

[Grahaml]

Which B Grade that made the Grade 2 finals am I matching them up against?

You wouldn't have had Virginia in grade 1 last year under the 6 team grading scheme?

I'm still eager to hear the benefits of matching these B grade sides.

[Lightning McQueen]

Which B Grade that made the Grade 2 finals am I matching them up against?

You wouldn't have had Virginia in grade 1 last year under the 6 team grading scheme?

I'm still eager to hear the benefits of matching these B grade sides.

More of matching the A Grade's and getting clubs to not sandbag with better players in the one day comps, push them up into the B's. More club's than not do it.
As for Virginia, their B's are up and down every year, however, I don't recall commenting on last season, I mentioned that it would have to be a 2 year plan.

[whufc]

Which B Grade that made the Grade 2 finals am I matching them up against?

You wouldn't have had Virginia in grade 1 last year under the 6 team grading scheme?

I'm still eager to hear the benefits of matching these B grade sides.

Which would have meant they would have been playing div2 clubs grades like EP, Craigmore, riverside which would have been pretty even

[Phantom Gossiper]

You wouldn't have had Virginia in grade 1 last year under the 6 team grading scheme?

I'm still eager to hear the benefits of matching these B grade sides.

I agree, nil benefit.

R&C are very proud and happy to have our B grade in grade 2 this season, it's been a long work in progress, and although they may not be world beaters and may well be out of their depth, they can still be competitive, but the greatest attribute is it has closed the game to the A grade so now we are able to filter more players through and give them that exposure to a better standard instead of worrying about them jumping from say grade 4 to grade 1..

Examples in recent seasons: Leigh Mitchell, Jayden Broadstock, Matt Feltus, Matt Bedgegood and then on the weekend we had Will Quick in his 1st game and Brett Simpson.

May be a selfish view, but the way it is, is far more beneficial to us as a club, and clearly SW, AV and CU are in the same bracket, just as BL were a few years ago..

I think it's up to these other clubs to improve..

[Grahaml]

Which B Grade that made the Grade 2 finals am I matching them up against?

You wouldn't have had Virginia in grade 1 last year under the 6 team grading scheme?

I'm still eager to hear the benefits of matching these B grade sides.

More of matching the A Grade's and getting clubs to not sandbag with better players in the one day comps, push them up into the B's. More club's than not do it.
As for Virginia, their B's are up and down every year, however, I don't recall commenting on last season, I mentioned that it would have to be a 2 year plan.

I really don't see how it'll stop players sandbagging. No doubt it's common, have a look at Salisbury North. I'm an advocate of B grades not playing A grades, but to match them up based on another team's performance is baffling. If you want to bring this in as a permanent scheme, you surely have to look at the past to see what sort of grade 1 reserves you'd end up with and last year you'd have had a team that went winless battling against grade 3 sides to having even stronger sides to play against. That grade would get more lopsided than it already is.

[Lightning McQueen]

Each to their own, I'd still like to see a one day final aswell as a two day one but that will never happen under the current format.

[norm11]

Each to their own, I'd still like to see a one day final aswell as a two day one but that will never happen under the current format.

Like it. Barossa do it why can't we??

[Lightning McQueen]

Each to their own, I'd still like to see a one day final aswell as a two day one but that will never happen under the current format.

Like it. Barossa do it why can't we??

Because they'd have to schedule at least one Sunday game in for the season and club's will oppose it.

[norm11]

Each to their own, I'd still like to see a one day final aswell as a two day one but that will never happen under the current format.

Like it. Barossa do it why can't we??

Because they'd have to schedule at least one Sunday game in for the season and club's will oppose it.

Barossa hold the one day semis and the gf on Sundays .

[Phantom Gossiper]

Because they'd have to schedule at least one Sunday game in for the season and club's will oppose it.

Yet we are made to play in the T20

Would you play a 1 day GF over all grades? That might get difficult then, especially in the lower grades with some of the older lads running around and people who really dont want to play Sunday cricket.

[sports follower]

Because they'd have to schedule at least one Sunday game in for the season and club's will oppose it.

Yet we are made to play in the T20

Would you play a 1 day GF over all grades? That might get difficult then, especially in the lower grades with some of the older lads running around and people who really dont want to play Sunday cricket.

You would only have to do grades 1-5 as the other grades are all 1 day comps anyway, but you may have some grades where they wouldnt want to play on a Sunday so maybe only the top 3 grades.

[Lightning McQueen]

Because they'd have to schedule at least one Sunday game in for the season and club's will oppose it.

Yet we are made to play in the T20

Would you play a 1 day GF over all grades? That might get difficult then, especially in the lower grades with some of the older lads running around and people who really dont want to play Sunday cricket.

No. Maybe just the top two, try maximising the exposure and getting some attendance.

You aren't "made" to play T20, you could forfeit your right to play.

[Phantom Gossiper]

You aren't "made" to play T20, you could forfeit your right to play.

Meh i'm not fussed, i'll play anything either way