Crows in trouble - CHEATS

[Stumps]

I'd say more like denial by holier than thou Crows fans

Exactly what it is. Wonder what they would be saying if it was Port who had cheated!

I'd be saying port ferals, same as always

[TEX07]

Possible outcomes?
1. Nothing proven - no problem for Crows or Tippett.
2. Proven misconduct re payments - Crows fined with part suspended and possible draft pick losses - Tippet reprimanded and/or fined.
3. Add in draft tampering proven - bigger fine for Crows and Tippett suspended.

The rest looks like jealous Power fans' (or other unsuccessful team's supporters') wild erotic fantasies!

Let's wait and see...

Possible ???

Yeah everyone else has no idea.

Crows fans have a track record of being open minded/unbiased in their opinion!!!

As opposed to your open minded and unbiased opinions? As for your penalties keep dreaming because they are not going to cop anywhere near as harsh a penalty.

Could you explain to us simple folk your well thought out logic as to why it wont be so harsh Tex old buddy. This should be good for a laugh.

If the afl is serious about making an example of crows by punishing them severely for their blatant cheating. My penalties will go along way towards that.


Apart from the loss of premiership points whats the difference than what Carlton got. Bearing in mind free agency wasn't around then.

You have them losing premiership points, draft picks and massive fines for the next three years. Your penalty seems to me as wishful thinking because you have a huge hatrid for the crows. I agree that the AFL will hit them all hard if found guilty but I simply don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as you are hoping for. Can't see the AFL taking away premiership points I haven't heard it mentioned anywhere else but here if it has been on the cards I've missed

[UK Fan]

For tex

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/new ... ip-points/

Ever heard of google/research before making a big statement tex ????

Wayne Jackson = crows hater

[TEX07]

For tex

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/new ... ip-points/

Ever heard of google/research before making a big statement tex ????

Wayne Jackson = crows hater

I assume this says I am wrong so well done to you. I did say I had missed it if it was said somewhere else. Dont really want to research. if they lose points I will be disapointed and you will be happy. Not really a big statement I wouldnt have thought. To be honest I have no idea what they penalty should be but I know what I don't want it to be. Points punishes the players and supporters who had nothing to do with it but if that's how it pans out they will have to roll with it. Like Carlton had to.

[Hondo]

On losing points, Wayne Jackson in that article says:

Jackson did acknowledge that it would seem that docking Adelaide premiership points could be deemed rather harsh considering that the breach involves only one player, as opposed to the several that were involved in Carlton’s breach in 2003. “Compared to Carlton, this does not seem a prolonged, multi-player breach of the salary cap,” he said. “But that is for the AFL to determine.”

That article is the same as all articles written since the story broke in that it is speculating on likely penatlies and stating the worst case scenarios for both Adelaide and Tippett. The problem the journos have is that the story has stopped giving so all they can do now is research the rules and maximum penalties and tell us about those. The investigation is still ongoing so the penalty can't be known until the crime itself is known.

I am not going to speculate on what the penalty will be but that article doesn't sway me one way or the other. Obviously penalties are coming. I think most balanced assessments predict a fine of around $600K and loss of draft picks this draft and possibly next. The AFL have to be mindful that if they throw the book at the Crows then (1) they have to throw the book at Tippett and I am not sure they want him standing out of football and (2) they will then have to throw 20 books at Melbourne for the tanking which most consider to be far worse a crime.

They have to leave room to be able to punish Melbourne worse than Adelaide.

[The Sleeping Giant]

(2) they will then have to throw 20 books at Melbourne for the tanking which most consider to be far worse a crime.

They have to leave room to be able to punish Melbourne worse than Adelaide.

I don't consider it worse. Melbourne have exploited a rule that shouldn't exist, and aren't the only club to do it.

[Mr Beefy]

(2) they will then have to throw 20 books at Melbourne for the tanking which most crows fans hope the AFL consider to be far worse a crime.

They have to leave room to be able to punish Melbourne worse than Adelaide.

I don't consider it worse. Melbourne have exploited a rule that shouldn't exist, and aren't the only club to do it.

It should have probably read as I have edited as above. fwiw, I reckon tanking is not as bad as cheating the salary cap either but I am not a bookie

[Hondo]

(2) they will then have to throw 20 books at Melbourne for the tanking which most consider to be far worse a crime.

They have to leave room to be able to punish Melbourne worse than Adelaide.

I don't consider it worse. Melbourne have exploited a rule that shouldn't exist, and aren't the only club to do it.

Throwing games is not worse than a side deal with one player?

Come on

[valleys07]

(2) they will then have to throw 20 books at Melbourne for the tanking which most consider to be far worse a crime.

They have to leave room to be able to punish Melbourne worse than Adelaide.

I don't consider it worse. Melbourne have exploited a rule that shouldn't exist, and aren't the only club to do it.

Throwing games is not worse than a side deal with one player?

Come on

I agree with TSG there Hondo. Whilst you are correct in saying what Melbourne have done as far as "throwing" games is worse than an under the table arrangement- all as melbourne have done is exploit a rule that should never have been introduced in the first place.

[Mr Beefy]

(2) they will then have to throw 20 books at Melbourne for the tanking which most consider to be far worse a crime.

They have to leave room to be able to punish Melbourne worse than Adelaide.

I don't consider it worse. Melbourne have exploited a rule that shouldn't exist, and aren't the only club to do it.

Throwing games is not worse than a side deal with one player?

Come on

Do we know it is only one player?

[Hondo]

Do we know it is only one player?

No, we don't .... you, I or TSG don't know.

If you ask me is Carlton style cap rorting worse than tanking then dunno both pretty bad to me. If the Crows are proven to be cap rorters like that then yep give us the fines UK Fan is talking about.

AD is on record as saying that tanking is the worst possible crime a club can commit. If it was the Crows tanking you blokes would be all over it.

[whufc]

What rule have Melbourne actually broke. There is no rule about who has to be selected and what players have to be played on each other. Maybe the crows could be done for tanking thanks to Neil Craig and his infamous massie on franklin move!

I would say breaching the salary cap is the worse possible crime, you are deliberately creating an uneven playing field and advantage to your self by doing so

If Melbourne get done the likes of gws and gc need to be punished for the exact same thing.

While Carlton used more players the timing of this is going to kill the crows with the introduction of free agency and the dictatorship which is AD rule

[The Sleeping Giant]

I think as a result of the salary cap cheating in the NRL, the AFL will come down heavily on the crows for the breach. If there is more than one player involved, look out.

[MatteeG]

AD is on record as saying that tanking is the worst possible crime a club can commit.

He is also on record saying tanking never existed.

Time to go!

[TEX07]

[quote="The Sleeping Giant"]I think as a result of the salary cap cheating in the NRL, the AFL will come down heavily on the crows for the breach. If there is more than one player involved, look out.[/

I hope so much it's only what we know about!

[Booney]

Do we know it is only one player?

No, we don't .... you, I or TSG don't know.

If you ask me is Carlton style cap rorting worse than tanking then dunno both pretty bad to me. If the Crows are proven to be cap rorters like that then yep give us the fines UK Fan is talking about.

AD is on record as saying that tanking is the worst possible crime a club can commit. If it was the Crows tanking you blokes would be all over it.

I would argue that tanking would be almost impossible to prove in a court or similar hearing.

Are GWS/GC "tanking" when they play a young bloke at FF after two games at FB?

[whufc]

I think as a result of the salary cap cheating in the NRL, the AFL will come down heavily on the crows for the breach. If there is more than one player involved, look out.

NRL has come under alot of critisism in the rugby world for the storm being able to recover so quickly from huge breaches.

The AFL wont risk the same back lash

[Booney]

I think as a result of the salary cap cheating in the NRL, the AFL will come down heavily on the crows for the breach. If there is more than one player involved, look out.

NRL has come under alot of critisism in the rugby world for the storm being able to recover so quickly from huge breaches.

The AFL wont risk the same back lash

Simply cannot compare what Adelaide have done to what the Storm did.

[UK Fan]

Do we know it is only one player?

No, we don't .... you, I or TSG don't know.

If you ask me is Carlton style cap rorting worse than tanking then dunno both pretty bad to me. If the Crows are proven to be cap rorters like that then yep give us the fines UK Fan is talking about.

AD is on record as saying that tanking is the worst possible crime a club can commit. If it was the Crows tanking you blokes would be all over it.

What do you Mean by IF crows are cap rorters ???

[Hondo]

I would argue that tanking would be almost impossible to prove in a court or similar hearing.

Are GWS/GC "tanking" when they play a young bloke at FF after two games at FB?

Firstly, I am suprised no-one is making more of it given it involves Dean Bailey now involved with the Crows.

Melbourne are stuck like Adelaide in that they have exposed themselves with written or coroborative evidence of practices that happen and have happened but without any audit trail to prove anything.

Melbourne appeared to have taken it one step too far - setting up a "Vault", instructing players, etc. They have actually created a systematic plan to get that priority draft pick and given it a name and formalised it all.

Think they are as cactus as the Crows may be.