SAAFL Division 3 2013

[beef]

Good to hear my juicy nugget actually had some validity to it.

Would have to agree with Shirtfront on his post. Its gotta be "Tough titty said the kitty". The Demons wacked plenty of teams on their way upfrom Div 3 to div 1 and they may just have to cop a couple of hidings on the way back down. Migt be time for some of those gun C graders to play Bs and As.

Id be suprised if they went down two divs but as i previously mentioned i have no idea if there is precedent for this

Glandore is the precedent but they went from Div 1 - Div 6 under very different circumstances

Glandore B Grade forfeited games whilst in Division 1 and resurfaced in either Div 4 or Div 5 the next season as an Aboriginal Club that lost their first 6 games got a big grant then suddenly had about 20 new players including Michael Long and won almost every game from then on, I played in a losing final against them. It was absolute rubbish that they got to pick their grade and if Eastern Park get to choose to be in Div 4 and finish anywhere other than 9th or 10th then the league should be held accountable.

Yep i remember that season, ended up smashing Salisbury in GF at the bay, then they lost prelim the following year. Think they folded after that as Glandore before playing a year or two as Kaurna Eagles. I agree on Eastern Park, too bad if u lose players, get flogged then go down.

[Lightning McQueen]

Heres a morning juicy nugget for you. Heard this one direct from an Eastern Park player They want to be put in DIV 4 next year due to several issues but there has been an exodus with Dusty imminent departure and i was told they dont think they will have the list left to be competitive in div 3 next year.
Statistically has any club ever dropped 3 divisions in 18 months?

I wasnt even aware you could do this.

They have blooded a heap of kids in the 1's over the past couple of years and they are a close knit group. I hope they go alright and re-build if the rumours are true.

[Jetters]

Heres a morning juicy nugget for you. Heard this one direct from an Eastern Park player They want to be put in DIV 4 next year due to several issues but there has been an exodus with Dusty imminent departure and i was told they dont think they will have the list left to be competitive in div 3 next year.
Statistically has any club ever dropped 3 divisions in 18 months?

I wasnt even aware you could do this.

They have blooded a heap of kids in the 1's over the past couple of years and they are a close knit group. I hope they go alright and re-build if the rumours are true.

There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.

[Wazz]

Good to hear my juicy nugget actually had some validity to it.

Would have to agree with Shirtfront on his post. Its gotta be "Tough titty said the kitty". The Demons wacked plenty of teams on their way upfrom Div 3 to div 1 and they may just have to cop a couple of hidings on the way back down. Migt be time for some of those gun C graders to play Bs and As.

Id be suprised if they went down two divs but as i previously mentioned i have no idea if there is precedent for this

Glandore is the precedent but they went from Div 1 - Div 6 under very different circumstances

Glandore B Grade forfeited games whilst in Division 1 and resurfaced in either Div 4 or Div 5 the next season as an Aboriginal Club that lost their first 6 games got a big grant then suddenly had about 20 new players including Michael Long and won almost every game from then on, I played in a losing final against them. It was absolute rubbish that they got to pick their grade and if Eastern Park get to choose to be in Div 4 and finish anywhere other than 9th or 10th then the league should be held accountable.

Yep i remember that season, ended up smashing Salisbury in GF at the bay, then they lost prelim the following year. Think they folded after that as Glandore before playing a year or two as Kaurna Eagles. I agree on Eastern Park, too bad if u lose players, get flogged then go down.

Lets not get too carried away here, it is purely suppostion as this stage. EPFC is obviously trying to do the best they can for players, members, sponsors, supporters etc. They are not looking for a free ride and will play where they are put as per the rules and regulations of the league and also if I am correct any nominations have to been voted in by all member clubs at the AGM

[Wazz]

Heres a morning juicy nugget for you. Heard this one direct from an Eastern Park player They want to be put in DIV 4 next year due to several issues but there has been an exodus with Dusty imminent departure and i was told they dont think they will have the list left to be competitive in div 3 next year.
Statistically has any club ever dropped 3 divisions in 18 months?

I wasnt even aware you could do this.

They have blooded a heap of kids in the 1's over the past couple of years and they are a close knit group. I hope they go alright and re-build if the rumours are true.

There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.

Nothing wrong with either, players leaving for big money elsewhere is the issue. Club finished in the black, possibly a lot better than other clubs.

[Boosh]

That wasn't directed at Eastern Park specifically, you could put any club in that bracket and the same would apply including my own club.

But Eastern Park have to do what's best for their club and if they think they are better off in Div 4 and the league allows them to then good luck to Eastern Park.

[woodublieve12]

If EP are allowed to go down to D4 it would be vey ordinary... ALOT of other clubs have gone through some very tough times too, including mine but we never asked to be down a div cause it got "too hard"... We had a 0-18 season in 2005, it was bloody tough. We got relegated to D5 and we had to rebuild. You may even surprise yourselves and aviod relegation next season...

[Lightning McQueen]

Heres a morning juicy nugget for you. Heard this one direct from an Eastern Park player They want to be put in DIV 4 next year due to several issues but there has been an exodus with Dusty imminent departure and i was told they dont think they will have the list left to be competitive in div 3 next year.
Statistically has any club ever dropped 3 divisions in 18 months?

I wasnt even aware you could do this.

They have blooded a heap of kids in the 1's over the past couple of years and they are a close knit group. I hope they go alright and re-build if the rumours are true.

There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.

Their administration is very strong and the culture is very positive out there, they moved up the ranks with mainly local talent that have since had wads of cash thrown at them to play country footy and taken it.

[Cohiba]

There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.[/quote]

Their administration is very strong and the culture is very positive out there.[/quote]

Everywhere except the playing group eh.....

[Demon Juke]

Heres a morning juicy nugget for you. Heard this one direct from an Eastern Park player They want to be put in DIV 4 next year due to several issues but there has been an exodus with Dusty imminent departure and i was told they dont think they will have the list left to be competitive in div 3 next year.
Statistically has any club ever dropped 3 divisions in 18 months?

I wasnt even aware you could do this.

They have blooded a heap of kids in the 1's over the past couple of years and they are a close knit group. I hope they go alright and re-build if the rumours are true.

There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.

Their administration is very strong and the culture is very positive out there, they moved up the ranks with mainly local talent that have since had wads of cash thrown at them to play country footy and taken it.

That is true, but they have also thrown cash at other players from club's that are close by that don't pay players.

[Jetters]

There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.

Their administration is very strong and the culture is very positive out there.[/quote]

Everywhere except the playing group eh.....[/quote]

That is the playing group. eh

[willowupfront]

Im sure Scotty McGee (club legend and new A grade coach) would be steaming if he thought anyone associated with the EPFC would even consider conceding defeat and look to self relegate. Given that he has spent his life there helping to build the club to where it is today and seen the very darkest of times during the earliest yrs I could imagine what his reaction would be if he heard even a whisper of it..
Three things I am sure of.
One they will be a young side which if you know the club has been the norm anyway for quite a number of yrs now. (U/18 won bk to bk flags and possibly have been 3peat with a little more luck come finals this yr).
Two they will be competitive...Scotty knew no other way when he played and the local lads idolise him for this. Im sure that aspect of their game will be his first non-negotionable.
And thirdly there is no question they will be eagerly awaiting the challanges next season will present in div 3 regardless of who's coming or going (Scotty being one who love's the challange will certainly be leading the way as he always has).

Culture...Given EP's A b and c grade sides over the past 15 yrs (which with I have been closely associated) have been filled with at least 3/4 of local boys who have come through the junior programs together are a very very close knit group. Anyone who has played against them would have to agree with that. They all grew up together and with a recent run of success this club has no problems culture wise.

Admin...Well I think in all they have done a fantastic job (various different people)..But like all clubs they have made their blunders also. In my opinion this has happened more often in recent times than ever before. I have my opinion and thats all it is so this is certainly not aimed at any individual but I think EP are now suffering the hang over...By this I mean in (roughly) 12 yrs this little club on the hill was a battling club facing and uncertain future in div 6 and in that time rose to the lofty heights of div 1. Trouble is they have always been a little club on the hill which it relies for survival on its people. They dont have corp dollars nor pokies to support its existance (like many other clubs) and the higher they did rise the more demand on getting recruits to the club to compete in those grade which of course costs money. All in all I think they secumb to the pressure of this and lost sight of the long term survival and focussed to much on the wave of success the club did have hoping to continue that..And many many clubs make this mistake all the time so it proves once again that buying players to win flags will never overtake the importance of local junior development..( Loads of clubs fall for this every yr).

Only my opinion....At the end of the day take it how you like.

[willowupfront]

That is true, but they have also thrown cash at other players from club's that are close by that don't pay players.[/quote]

Exactly what i was trying to say in all my dribble!!!

The foundation for any clubs long term survival will always be built on its "histrory and culture" rather than the "dollar and cent"

You sumed it up in 5 words..Lets hope you guys dont get caught up in the stars HVFC...keep your head to the grind stone..(all the best)

[Jetters]

That is true, but they have also thrown cash at other players from club's that are close by that don't pay players.

Exactly what i was trying to say in all my dribble!!!

The foundation for any clubs long term survival will always be built on its "histrory and culture" rather than the "dollar and cent"

You sumed it up in 5 words..Lets hope you guys dont get caught up in the stars HVFC...keep your head to the grind stone..(all the best) [/quote]

Unsustainable growth... killer of clubs, sends them back down the grades way faster than they got up there.

[Cohiba]

[quote There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.[/quote]

Their administration is very strong and the culture is very positive out there, they moved up the ranks with mainly local talent that have since had wads of cash thrown at them to play country footy and taken it.[/quote]

[quote="Cohiba" Everywhere except the playing group eh.....]

[quote="Jetters" That is the playing group. eh ]

My reference to the "culture within the playing group" was directed at the mercanaries who play for pay. Positive cultures within Clubs are built over time as pointed out by willowupfront. Paying to win premierships makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy at the time but ask the players who become life members of a club what they think of one or two season wonders whose loyalties are primarily based on a clubs financial resources in order to sustain a place in top tier competition. If the culture is so very positive at EP...why are they leaving????.....

[willowupfront]

[quote There is something wrong with either the administration or culture of a club if they can yo-yo so quickly. Just shouldn't happen.

Their administration is very strong and the culture is very positive out there, they moved up the ranks with mainly local talent that have since had wads of cash thrown at them to play country footy and taken it.[/quote]

[quote="Cohiba" Everywhere except the playing group eh.....]

[quote="Jetters" That is the playing group. eh ]

My reference to the "culture within the playing group" was directed at the mercanaries who play for pay. Positive cultures within Clubs are built over time as pointed out by willowupfront. Paying to win premierships makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy at the time but ask the players who become life members of a club what they think of one or two season wonders whose loyalties are primarily based on a clubs financial resources in order to sustain a place in top tier competition. If the culture is so very positive at EP...why are they leaving????.....[/quote]

Very valid points their Cohiba....Money...And big money in some cases...

Trust me though mate it still wont deter the strong culture and commitment of the local boys...They just love playing together like they did when they were kids...Only difference now is they all like to party together and chase the girls saturday nights as hard as they chase the pig skin of a saturday...Bloody kids!!!!!

[LaughingKookaburra]

Are they getting incentive to drop to div 4 because of a club in the Southern Suburbs maybe joining div 3 ?

[lutz]

Was Scott McGee the Eastern Park B grade coach in 2012?

[willowupfront]

Are they getting incentive to drop to div 4 because of a club in the Southern Suburbs maybe joining div 3 ?

Mate im telling you I would be shocked if they wanted to go to div 4...Could only be for one reason..Finance and I couldnt shed any light on that as im not on the committee...

And no Scotty has been dusty's right hand man along with Wilbur coaching the A grade. All three played a massive part in the Div 2 premiership..Scotty has been relied on more and more since then as his coaching talents have developed specially with the young kids.

Thats why they appointed him as Dusty's successor...natural choice and a good one for the rocky road ahead...

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Anyone heard what’s going on at Scotch? They played last year on zero points and are up to 12 points already for next year. Apparently with more to come. Paul Cahill (ex St Kilda, Sturt) is one of them and Lagonik (PHOS Camden) as well. Who are the others?