SA Churches & Community Cricket Association 2012/2013

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Very unsportsmanlike behaviour from Para Vista on the weekend denying a Fitzroy batsman a runner when he'd clearly done a hamstring the week before during the game. Para Vista think we play International rules. Whats the go there?

We got asked, left it to the umpire. He got it wrong, end of story. Please explain how Para Vista are at fault... Were you at the game? Did you take note of who made the decision and who brought it up with Giggsy before your captain came and spoke to the umpire?

Get your facts straight before you go mouthing off.

I'm sure PV could've helped encourage the umpire to allow the runner..

I have no doubt, but at the end of the day we pay the bloke to make the decisions on and off the field, so really its up to him.

[Magpies96]

Bar20 does not represent FCC or any of its subsidiaries.

No he doesn't but do the remarks on your facebook page make interesting reading on the situation.

It does, with the visits from the Para Vista players because they clearly did not understand the ruling either.

I have no idea what role Para Vista had with the final decision as I was not there, all I know is our captain asked the Vista captain and the umpire for a runner for Gigs and was denied.
As a club it would not be something we would do, to deny a runner for someone with legit injury done during the game, and we have allowed runners since the ICC changed the Rule for International Cricket.

I guess the umpire will be asked if it was his decision and will be told the correct ruling by the association but I can't talk on their behalf.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I have no doubt, but at the end of the day we pay the bloke to make the decisions on and off the field, so really its up to him.

What a pathetic answer

[Goat Herder]

At no stage of the ruling is there any scope for the players or opposing captain to have ANY input whatsoever to the application of it.

The first mistake from your chain of events there SK was Mattsy approaching JV. It's not a law that the captains can decide upon. The responsibility lies fairly & squarely with the blokes who have done the necessary study to adjudicate & apply the laws of the game - and as such they are paid accordingly.

From here, it's now the responsibility of the captain of the complainants to provide the feedback via the match report, and from there, the umpire's co-ordinator to ensure the umpire in question (and all of them for that matter..) are instructed on what the correct ruling is to ensure it doesn't happen again. Lord knows how the laws of the game get adjudicated upon in the lower grades by blokes who have only a fair to average knowledge of them..

[Phantom Gossiper]

At no stage of the ruling is there any scope for the players or opposing captain to have ANY input whatsoever to the application of it.

The first mistake from your chain of events there SK was Mattsy approaching JV. It's not a law that the captains can decide upon. The responsibility lies fairly & squarely with the blokes who have done the necessary study to adjudicate & apply the laws of the game - and as such they are paid accordingly.

From here, it's now the responsibility of the captain of the complainants to provide the feedback via the match report, and from there, the umpire's co-ordinator to ensure the umpire in question (and all of them for that matter..) are instructed on what the correct ruling is to ensure it doesn't happen again. Lord knows how the laws of the game get adjudicated upon in the lower grades by blokes who have only a fair to average knowledge of them..

What about in grades without an official umpire? Who has the power to make a ruling then?

[Goat Herder]

At no stage of the ruling is there any scope for the players or opposing captain to have ANY input whatsoever to the application of it.

The first mistake from your chain of events there SK was Mattsy approaching JV. It's not a law that the captains can decide upon. The responsibility lies fairly & squarely with the blokes who have done the necessary study to adjudicate & apply the laws of the game - and as such they are paid accordingly.

From here, it's now the responsibility of the captain of the complainants to provide the feedback via the match report, and from there, the umpire's co-ordinator to ensure the umpire in question (and all of them for that matter..) are instructed on what the correct ruling is to ensure it doesn't happen again. Lord knows how the laws of the game get adjudicated upon in the lower grades by blokes who have only a fair to average knowledge of them..

What about in grades without an official umpire? Who has the power to make a ruling then?

The peanut masquerading as the umpire!?!? Just got to be B.A.U. - it's a law of the game, therefore we just play by it. Just like the 300-odd other laws we apply every weekend without thinking too hard about it..

Personally, I think the ruling needs to be communicated back to the Clubs. Making an assumption here, but most cricketers would know about the change to the runner rule. I'd hazard to guess that about 25% of those who are aware would know that it's merely applied at an international level. If FCC really want to point the finger, aim it at Arjuna Ranatunga - coz if he wasn't such a rorting, fat little prat, there'd be no need to tinker with the laws...

[Magpies96]

Either way, its common courtesy to ask the opposing captain, just like a captain can call a opposition player back if he thinks an injustice has been done or something not in the spirit of cricket.

[Goat Herder]

Either way, its common courtesy to ask the opposing captain, just like a captain can call a opposition player back if he thinks an injustice has been done or something not in the spirit of cricket.

It's got nothing to do with the 'Spirit of Cricket' document. It's clearly a LAW.

Agree to disagree I'm afraid, but what is agreed upon is that it was an incorrect ruling. So all steps should be taken to rectify the issue and stop it from happening again, and via the relevant channel/s.

I honestly can't believe that a PV vs FCC furore has occurred in the absence of M.Cossens.... That in itself would be throwing the conspiracy theorisers into complete meltdown!!

[Phantom Gossiper]

Either way, its common courtesy to ask the opposing captain, just like a captain can call a opposition player back if he thinks an injustice has been done or something not in the spirit of cricket.

It's got nothing to do with the 'Spirit of Cricket' document. It's clearly a LAW.

Agree to disagree I'm afraid, but what is agreed upon is that it was an incorrect ruling. So all steps should be taken to rectify the issue and stop it from happening again, and via the relevant channel/s.

I honestly can't believe that a PV vs FCC furore has occurred in the absence of M.Cossens.... That in itself would be throwing the conspiracy theorisers into complete meltdown!!

Bet if PV needed the runner the Herder would've run out with the rule book and made sure the umpire knew the LAW

[Goat Herder]

Either way, its common courtesy to ask the opposing captain, just like a captain can call a opposition player back if he thinks an injustice has been done or something not in the spirit of cricket.

It's got nothing to do with the 'Spirit of Cricket' document. It's clearly a LAW.

Agree to disagree I'm afraid, but what is agreed upon is that it was an incorrect ruling. So all steps should be taken to rectify the issue and stop it from happening again, and via the relevant channel/s.

I honestly can't believe that a PV vs FCC furore has occurred in the absence of M.Cossens.... That in itself would be throwing the conspiracy theorisers into complete meltdown!!

Bet if PV needed the runner the Herder would've run out with the rule book and made sure the umpire knew the LAW

Utter garbage!!! It would've been a slowish sort of amble....

[Magpies96]

Either way, its common courtesy to ask the opposing captain, just like a captain can call a opposition player back if he thinks an injustice has been done or something not in the spirit of cricket.

It's got nothing to do with the 'Spirit of Cricket' document. It's clearly a LAW.

Agree to disagree I'm afraid, but what is agreed upon is that it was an incorrect ruling. So all steps should be taken to rectify the issue and stop it from happening again, and via the relevant channel/s.

I honestly can't believe that a PV vs FCC furore has occurred in the absence of M.Cossens.... That in itself would be throwing the conspiracy theorisers into complete meltdown!!

Bet if PV needed the runner the Herder would've run out with the rule book and made sure the umpire knew the LAW

Lol

[Under_Scrutiny]

Para Vista need to pull there head out of there backsides. Its social cricket and if a guy cant run then give him a runner. Perhaps Vista were scared of Gigs making there runs? Me thinks so

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[powerport]

i cant wait for the next Fiztroy V's Para Vi$ta game! should be good viewing!

[tkr]

i cant wait for the next Fiztroy V's Para Vi$ta game! should be good viewing!

So you weren't at the game? I thought you played for Fitzroy powerport, what do you think of the controversy?

[Goat Herder]

Para Vista need to pull there head out of there backsides. Its social cricket and if a guy cant run then give him a runner. Perhaps Vista were scared of Gigs making there runs? Me thinks so

If he got them anywhere near the total, I'm sure the Kraft of The Kraft would've been conjured up and we all know it woulda been lights out and game over shortly afterwards...

FACT : PVLCC is responsible for world hunger.
FACT : PVLCC is responsible for unrest in the Middle East.
FACT : PVLCC is responsible for the hole in the ozone layer.
FACT : Lee Harvey Oswald was an opening batsman who once played for PVLCC, so indirectly.......

Even the Rose Lakes blokes are upset now that their arrogance tag has changed hands from their A's to our B's....

[tkr]

Para Vista need to pull there head out of there backsides. Its social cricket and if a guy cant run then give him a runner. Perhaps Vista were scared of Gigs making there runs? Me thinks so

I think you need to put your head back in your backside U_S it is not social cricket both teams were playing in a competition match!

[Phantom Gossiper]

FACT : PVLCC is responsible for world hunger.
FACT : PVLCC is responsible for unrest in the Middle East.
FACT : PVLCC is responsible for the hole in the ozone layer.
FACT : Lee Harvey Oswald was an opening batsman who once played for PVLCC, so indirectly.......

Tell us something we dont know!

[Goat Herder]

FACT : PVLCC is responsible for world hunger.
FACT : PVLCC is responsible for unrest in the Middle East.
FACT : PVLCC is responsible for the hole in the ozone layer.
FACT : Lee Harvey Oswald was an opening batsman who once played for PVLCC, so indirectly.......

Tell us something we dont know!

Well, we'd love to lay claim to Gillard falling flat on her face the other day in India, but the bloke who stuck his foot out looked distinctly like Tommy Kennison....

[Phantom Gossiper]

Well, we'd love to lay claim to Gillard falling flat on her face the other day in India, but the bloke who stuck his foot out looked distinctly like Tommy Kennison....

maybe she tried to touch his ice coffee... ?