Crows in trouble - CHEATS

[UK Fan]

I know nothing about the workings of an AFL club or the corporate world but when did saying something in an email become a “contract”? If that’s the case I’m getting a crack team of lawyers together and going after all the Nigerian/African princes that have emailed me offering me money. As for the draft tampering as far as I can see the AFC did not and now cannot trade Kurt Tippett to another club for any pick. He is in now off to the draft and the AFC get nothing for him so how can they be guilty draft tampering if they have gained nothing? If I email the ATO and tell them I’m not going to pay my taxes this year but when my tax bill comes I pay it in full am I guilty of tax evasion?

I’m not saying the AFC are completely innocent and have done nothing wrong they have been bloody stupid but surely the punishment shouldn’t be as harsh as what other clubs have got in the past. A nice big fine and maybe losing the first round pick in this year’s draft would be more than enough.

I also have to laugh at the media claiming the AFL raided the AFC offices today. I’m not sure how often a raid happens when they are invited by the people being raided and welcome them at the front door.

Did you sign a statutory declaration when dealing with ATO Tassie ????? Did you publicly state any such e-mail existed ??

Steven trigg went to the afl first and you've told them everything ?? Sure you did and I'm guessing that's why the afl had to raid you to confirm you've told them everything ????

More lies.

Happy clapping at its best from mr cornes.

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 6504241808

[UK Fan]

I think it is sounding more and more like the Crows are in a fair amount of trouble.

It's only the absolute crow nerds defending them now.!!

I would love for it all to come out and the Crows are in the clear but I cant see it happening. If they have done all that has been stated then the AFL need to punish them accordingly. I dont want to see Tippett de-registered, I just dont want him to get off without any sanction, to be honest not even really sure what would be considered a fair penalty to an individual, dont think there has been anything similar in the past that I can remember?

If it comes out there are existing crows players with these "clauses" in their contracts. Should they all be punished.

[Tassie Blues]

I know nothing about the workings of an AFL club or the corporate world but when did saying something in an email become a “contract”? If that’s the case I’m getting a crack team of lawyers together and going after all the Nigerian/African princes that have emailed me offering me money. As for the draft tampering as far as I can see the AFC did not and now cannot trade Kurt Tippett to another club for any pick. He is in now off to the draft and the AFC get nothing for him so how can they be guilty draft tampering if they have gained nothing? If I email the ATO and tell them I’m not going to pay my taxes this year but when my tax bill comes I pay it in full am I guilty of tax evasion?

I’m not saying the AFC are completely innocent and have done nothing wrong they have been bloody stupid but surely the punishment shouldn’t be as harsh as what other clubs have got in the past. A nice big fine and maybe losing the first round pick in this year’s draft would be more than enough.

I also have to laugh at the media claiming the AFL raided the AFC offices today. I’m not sure how often a raid happens when they are invited by the people being raided and welcome them at the front door.

Did you sign a statutory declaration when dealing with ATO Tassie ????? Did you publicly state any such e-mail existed ??

Steven trigg went to the afl first and you've told them everything ?? Sure you did and I'm guessing that's why the afl had to raid you to confirm you've told them everything ????

More lies.

Happy clapping at its best from mr cornes.

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 6504241808

Even if I sign at stat dec saying I won't pay taxes but pay them anyway am I still guilty? As for what they say publicly I'm sure AFC are not the only club to have told a few pork pies.

[Psyber]

There's a bit of wishful thinking by Crow haters going on here - I look forward to the real outcome.
The Crows should cop just penalties if what they have done is found to be seriously illegal under AFL rules.

[Mr Beefy]

There's a bit of wishful thinking by Crow haters going on here - I look forward to the real outcome.
The Crows should cop just penalties if what they have done is found to be seriously illegal under AFL rules.

Wishful thinking and just penalties equate to the same thing for most of us crow haters

[Tassie Blues]

So are the crows as bad as Carlton was and cop a similar punishment? I would think its not even close to Carlton.

[whufc]

So are the crows as bad as Carlton was and cop a similar punishment? I would think its not even close to Carlton.

No but the timing is bad, with free agency coming into AFL they won't want any sides bending the rules.

Also heard the AFL we're extremely critical of the NRL handling of the storm situation and the mockery of them winning a premiership such a short time after breaches will make the AFL take notice

[The Sleeping Giant]

There's a bit of wishful thinking by Crow haters going on here - I look forward to the real outcome.

Just good to see cheats getting caught. That's all Psyber.

[Macca19]

If they lose draft picks, crows are likely to recruit vfl, sanfl and wafl players.

explain how they obtain these players without drafting them?
and where do they draft players from otherwise?

They'd probably still be able to go after free agents and pick up delisted free agents.

[Hondo]

If we are cheats we'd be the stupidest cheats in history seeing as the deal favoured Tippett and whoever his next club would have been rather than us and we have a whole one finals appearance to show for our 3 years of systematic Storm-like cap rorting.

Ill accept its probably the stupidest deal in history but if were found to be cheats geez I'd like more to show for it!

[TEX07]

I think it is sounding more and more like the Crows are in a fair amount of trouble.

It's only the absolute crow nerds defending them now.!!

I would love for it all to come out and the Crows are in the clear but I cant see it happening. If they have done all that has been stated then the AFL need to punish them accordingly. I dont want to see Tippett de-registered, I just dont want him to get off without any sanction, to be honest not even really sure what would be considered a fair penalty to an individual, dont think there has been anything similar in the past that I can remember?

If it comes out there are existing crows players with these "clauses" in their contracts. Should they all be punished.

Of course they should. I have been saying that Tippett should not get off because he had to hand known about the deal also and signed off on it. I'm not only saying this because he has left. If a current player signed off on a similar deal then they would suffer the same fate. I don't think there is any issue with the current contracts mentioned anywhere yet so its so far not an issue. I don't think Tippett is in as much strife as the rest to be honest.

[Turbo]

There's a bit of wishful thinking by Crow haters going on here - I look forward to the real outcome.

Just good to see cheats getting caught. That's all Psyber.

First thing I've ever agreed with you about!

[Q.]

The Cows should suffer a similar fate to that of Carlton after they were caught cheating.

[Rik E Boy]

If we are cheats we'd be the stupidest cheats in history seeing as the deal favoured Tippett and whoever his next club would have been rather than us and we have a whole one finals appearance to show for our 3 years of systematic Storm-like cap rorting.

Ill accept its probably the stupidest deal in history but if were found to be cheats geez I'd like more to show for it!

Stupidest deal in history?



"A somewhat controversial figure at Princes Park before and after his brief stay in 2000, Stephen O’Reilly was heavily involved in the most disastrous episode in Carlton’s history – the 2002 Black Friday penalties that pushed the club to the brink of ruin. Two years beforehand, he was recruited (at considerable cost) as a ready-made successor for Carlton’s champion full-back Stephen Silvagni, but managed only a dozen games before retiring due to a chronic hamstring injury. A year after that retirement, his name hit the sporting headlines again when he was one of four players (O’Reilly, Silvagni, Craig Bradley and Fraser Brown) targeted by a major AFL investigation into salary cap breaches by the Blues.

Originally from Swan Districts in WA, O’Reilly caught the eye of AFL scouts when he was quite sensational at centre half-back for his state against South Australia in 1992. Geelong won the contest for his signature, and the Cats seemed to have hit the jackpot when the powerfully-built O’Reilly settled into full-back, and capped his second season at Kardinia Park as Geelong’s best player in their 1994 Grand Final defeat by West Coast.

Although the Cats were desperate to keep him, O’Reilly switched clubs to Fremantle in 1995, becoming a foundation player with the Dockers in their debut AFL season. He went on to appear in 98 matches for them over five years, although late in 1997 he tore a hamstring tendon so badly, it was ripped from the bone. O’Reilly was never the same player after that injury, and during his last two seasons with the Purple Haze was regularly stationed up forward.

In 1999 Fremantle let it be known that O’Reilly had requested a transfer to a Victorian club for “family reasons”. Meanwhile, at Carlton, full-back of the century Stephen Silvagni was in the twilight of his great career, so O’Reilly loomed as an ideal replacement, if - and it was, indeed, a big if - he was able to recapture his best form. Carlton was certain that he was, assuring supporters that he had "many years of good footy ahead of him," (Inside Carlton, 1999).

A lot of the Bluebagger faithful were not so easily convinced, nor were they happy at the cost of O’Reilly’s recruitment. To get him to Princes Park, Carlton gave up National Draft picks 16 and 46 – used by the Dockers to select Brendon Fewster and Adam Butler.

Doubts about O’Reilly’s fitness gained credence when he wasn’t ready for the first two games of season 2000, and worse still, had played just six matches (with minimal impact) by round 15. He began four of his next eight games on the interchange bench, before the club finally ran out of patience with him after round 21. He wasn’t selected in any of Carlton's three finals teams, and it was no real surprise when he retired after just that one season, before the age of 28.

In retiring before his contract expired, O’Reilly created a financial headache for the Blues, who were obligated to pay him out early. The way Carlton did this, and also the way the club was handling financial dealings with the other three at the time, clearly contravened the AFL salary cap rules. This came to light twelve months later, after the AFL completed it’s enquiry into the financial dealings of the Carlton Football Club.

While all four Blues were found guilty of breaching the rules, O’Reilly’s apparent eagerness to please during the enquiry was seen as a contributing factor in the horrendous penalties handed out. On Friday, November 22, 2002, Carlton was fined $930,000, and excluded from the national draft and pre-season draft until 2004. It was a savage blow that sent the Blues into the football wilderness for almost a decade. It handed our club shame, and the unprecedented misery of three wooden spoons in five years.

It is fair to say that O'Reilly will be remembered as a sometimes outstanding full-back in his 134 games for Geelong and Fremantle - but as for his time at Carlton, it is best forgotten by all."

(From Blueseum)

regards,

REB

[scoob]

If we are cheats we'd be the stupidest cheats in history seeing as the deal favoured Tippett and whoever his next club would have been rather than us and we have a whole one finals appearance to show for our 3 years of systematic Storm-like cap rorting.

Ill accept its probably the stupidest deal in history but if were found to be cheats geez I'd like more to show for it!

You got him for a further 3 years and they oviously felt confident they could talk him into resigning and the deal would not be actioned... but we all know what happened. Crows had a lot to benefit from it once it got him to sign the 3 year deal. IMO.

[UK Fan]

If we are cheats we'd be the stupidest cheats in history seeing as the deal favoured Tippett and whoever his next club would have been rather than us and we have a whole one finals appearance to show for our 3 years of systematic Storm-like cap rorting.

Ill accept its probably the stupidest deal in history but if were found to be cheats geez I'd like more to show for it!

Agreed the crows are cheats and very stupid to quote AD.

[UK Fan]

I know nothing about the workings of an AFL club or the corporate world but when did saying something in an email become a “contract”? If that’s the case I’m getting a crack team of lawyers together and going after all the Nigerian/African princes that have emailed me offering me money. As for the draft tampering as far as I can see the AFC did not and now cannot trade Kurt Tippett to another club for any pick. He is in now off to the draft and the AFC get nothing for him so how can they be guilty draft tampering if they have gained nothing? If I email the ATO and tell them I’m not going to pay my taxes this year but when my tax bill comes I pay it in full am I guilty of tax evasion?

I’m not saying the AFC are completely innocent and have done nothing wrong they have been bloody stupid but surely the punishment shouldn’t be as harsh as what other clubs have got in the past. A nice big fine and maybe losing the first round pick in this year’s draft would be more than enough.

I also have to laugh at the media claiming the AFL raided the AFC offices today. I’m not sure how often a raid happens when they are invited by the people being raided and welcome them at the front door.

Did you sign a statutory declaration when dealing with ATO Tassie ????? Did you publicly state any such e-mail existed ??

Steven trigg went to the afl first and you've told them everything ?? Sure you did and I'm guessing that's why the afl had to raid you to confirm you've told them everything ????

More lies.

Happy clapping at its best from mr cornes.

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 6504241808

Even if I sign at stat dec saying I won't pay taxes but pay them anyway am I still guilty? As for what they say publicly I'm sure AFC are not the only club to have told a few pork pies.

Only one problem the crows haven't overpaid the taxman. If anything they have deliberately understated their income to pay less tax. They are the Glenn Wheatley of afl football.

[Punk Rooster]

If we are cheats we'd be the stupidest cheats in history seeing as the deal favoured Tippett and whoever his next club would have been rather than us and we have a whole one finals appearance to show for our 3 years of systematic Storm-like cap rorting.

Ill accept its probably the stupidest deal in history but if were found to be cheats geez I'd like more to show for it!

You got him for a further 3 years and they oviously felt confident they could talk him into resigning and the deal would not be actioned... but we all know what happened. Crows had a lot to benefit from it once it got him to sign the 3 year deal. IMO.

yep, spot on- the Crows got what they wanted first.

[Hondo]

It was a terrible deal as confessed by Reidy as the worst deal in the club's history.

Friggin stupidity, yep. Cheating? Well we cheated ourselves out of a first and second round draft picks last year deluding ourselves that he wanted to stay.

[overloaded]

I thought it was his parting gift?