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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:52 am

Gatt_Weasel wrote:so if salisbury west have another big incident say like an all in brawl or lets say something hapens in the finals with crowd players etc will that be the final straw for them and bam they gone would clear the way for brighton to slot in nice

seriously its only a matter of time before salisbury west explode either with players of supporters the 2 finals i seen salisbury west in have both ended in fights with players and supporters


Gee mate, do you find a different club each day to take pot shots at?

Salisbury West have one of the better coaches going around in the SAAFL, although he's pretty new to coaching senior footy he's got a lot of footy nouse, developing a young squad and changing a culture are high on his agenda and he's doing a fantastic job of it, they have already far exceeded my expectations for the season.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby DO IT DO IT » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:59 am

Who are you kidding Big Shrek. There's nothing to be ashamed of by paying your players. Have it on very very good authority that you pay and this club official doesn't know how you will sustain it. Especially if you go to Div 2. He even said that it wouldn't be a bad thing to not go up cause really the money isn't there. Can't see why its such a big deal that you have to deny it. How else would a club like yours (many other clubs in the same position) in an area heavily populated by teams stay strong if you didn't pay. By back ground is Old Collegians and I fully understand why clubs like your's or many others pay players. It's not a bad thing. People like Jimmy don't understand cause you don't have a automatic influx of juniors coming into your club from a school every year. Its how you survive and it sucks for your club and many others.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby DO IT DO IT » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:02 pm

Sorry about bringing up Kilburn in this forum again. But thought they where copping it unfairly from people who don't understand the way things are.
By the way Brighton wouldn't be as strong as you all think. Div 4 would be a good start.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:22 pm

DO IT DO IT wrote:Who are you kidding Big Shrek. There's nothing to be ashamed of by paying your players. Have it on very very good authority that you pay and this club official doesn't know how you will sustain it. Especially if you go to Div 2. He even said that it wouldn't be a bad thing to not go up cause really the money isn't there. Can't see why its such a big deal that you have to deny it. How else would a club like yours (many other clubs in the same position) in an area heavily populated by teams stay strong if you didn't pay. By back ground is Old Collegians and I fully understand why clubs like your's or many others pay players. It's not a bad thing. People like Jimmy don't understand cause you don't have a automatic influx of juniors coming into your club from a school every year. Its how you survive and it sucks for your club and many others.


errr...sorry?? Don't understand what?
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Cash 123 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:24 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
DO IT DO IT wrote:Who are you kidding Big Shrek. There's nothing to be ashamed of by paying your players. Have it on very very good authority that you pay and this club official doesn't know how you will sustain it. Especially if you go to Div 2. He even said that it wouldn't be a bad thing to not go up cause really the money isn't there. Can't see why its such a big deal that you have to deny it. How else would a club like yours (many other clubs in the same position) in an area heavily populated by teams stay strong if you didn't pay. By back ground is Old Collegians and I fully understand why clubs like your's or many others pay players. It's not a bad thing. People like Jimmy don't understand cause you don't have a automatic influx of juniors coming into your club from a school every year. Its how you survive and it sucks for your club and many others.


errr...sorry?? Don't understand what?


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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:31 pm

I can read very well thank you Cash, but what don't I understand?
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Gatt_Weasel » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:46 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Gatt_Weasel wrote:so if salisbury west have another big incident say like an all in brawl or lets say something hapens in the finals with crowd players etc will that be the final straw for them and bam they gone would clear the way for brighton to slot in nice

seriously its only a matter of time before salisbury west explode either with players of supporters the 2 finals i seen salisbury west in have both ended in fights with players and supporters


Gee mate, do you find a different club each day to take pot shots at?

Salisbury West have one of the better coaches going around in the SAAFL, although he's pretty new to coaching senior footy he's got a lot of footy nouse, developing a young squad and changing a culture are high on his agenda and he's doing a fantastic job of it, they have already far exceeded my expectations for the season.



everything you said means nothing what i posted is what saafl will be looking at and any incidents from now until finals may see them kicked from the saafl
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:10 pm

Gatt_Weasel wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Gatt_Weasel wrote:so if salisbury west have another big incident say like an all in brawl or lets say something hapens in the finals with crowd players etc will that be the final straw for them and bam they gone would clear the way for brighton to slot in nice

seriously its only a matter of time before salisbury west explode either with players of supporters the 2 finals i seen salisbury west in have both ended in fights with players and supporters


Gee mate, do you find a different club each day to take pot shots at?

Salisbury West have one of the better coaches going around in the SAAFL, although he's pretty new to coaching senior footy he's got a lot of footy nouse, developing a young squad and changing a culture are high on his agenda and he's doing a fantastic job of it, they have already far exceeded my expectations for the season.



everything you said means nothing what i posted is what saafl will be looking at and any incidents from now until finals may see them kicked from the saafl


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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Look Good In Leather » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:22 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Look Good In Leather wrote:
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How many are serious contenders though Mattee?


How do you judge a serious contender?


A team that can stake a claim of having a strong chance of winning the premiership, it isn't a trick question.

i.e: I think Sydney, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Adelaide are serious contenders for the AFL premiership.


Well why bother with the rest of the season then, obviously most of the games are irrelevant
Ask that question 12 weeks ago and two of those teams would have been different
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:30 pm

Look Good In Leather wrote:Well why bother with the rest of the season then, obviously most of the games are irrelevant
Ask that question 12 weeks ago and two of those teams would have been different


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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Look Good In Leather » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:12 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Look Good In Leather wrote:Well why bother with the rest of the season then, obviously most of the games are irrelevant
Ask that question 12 weeks ago and two of those teams would have been different


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yes, but the cream needs to rise to the top of something
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Gatt_Weasel » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:13 pm

Look Good In Leather wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Look Good In Leather wrote:Well why bother with the rest of the season then, obviously most of the games are irrelevant
Ask that question 12 weeks ago and two of those teams would have been different


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yes, but the cream needs to rise to the top of something



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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Yank Man » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:01 pm

Anyhow, back to the topic. I also don't think Brighton are the power club some people think they are. I've watched a couple of their games and they would be good in Div 3 but wouldn't smash teams. The SFL is not that strong and their combined team were recently pasted by the GSFL. I seriously doubt that any top SFL would be anywhere near Div 1. 4 of my current players in Div 7 have all been A graders at Happy Valley and if they went back tomorrow still would and they are not exactly tearing Div 7 apart. Happy Valley are on top. Just sayin'.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Yardy Lard » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:17 pm

Yank Man wrote:Anyhow, back to the topic. I also don't think Brighton are the power club some people think they are. I've watched a couple of their games and they would be good in Div 3 but wouldn't smash teams. The SFL is not that strong and their combined team were recently pasted by the GSFL. I seriously doubt that any top SFL would be anywhere near Div 1. 4 of my current players in Div 7 have all been A graders at Happy Valley and if they went back tomorrow still would and they are not exactly tearing Div 7 apart. Happy Valley are on top. Just sayin'.



Think you are close to the mark YM. Have seen a few GSL Grand Finals and some senior games. One of them included Brighton. IMO the Barossa League is a far better standard. Barossa is around mid D2 to mid D3. The GSL is mid D3 but goes right down do about D7 with some teams that I have seen. The competition itself probably averages out at about D4 or D5 standard in the SAAFL. Some very good players from 1 to 8 on the list, and as good as any in D1 but that is were it stops. The players from 9 through to 21 are only very average. For a club to play at a good level such as D2 or D1 they would have to sustain good football week in and week out, and not sure they would cope, or get close to competing each week of the year. Clubs even coming through the SAAFL struggle with that part of the game when coming from the lower grades
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Yank Man » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:55 pm

Yardy Lard wrote:
Yank Man wrote:Anyhow, back to the topic. I also don't think Brighton are the power club some people think they are. I've watched a couple of their games and they would be good in Div 3 but wouldn't smash teams. The SFL is not that strong and their combined team were recently pasted by the GSFL. I seriously doubt that any top SFL would be anywhere near Div 1. 4 of my current players in Div 7 have all been A graders at Happy Valley and if they went back tomorrow still would and they are not exactly tearing Div 7 apart. Happy Valley are on top. Just sayin'.



Think you are close to the mark YM. Have seen a few GSL Grand Finals and some senior games. One of them included Brighton. IMO the Barossa League is a far better standard. Barossa is around mid D2 to mid D3. The GSL is mid D3 but goes right down do about D7 with some teams that I have seen. The competition itself probably averages out at about D4 or D5 standard in the SAAFL. Some very good players from 1 to 8 on the list, and as good as any in D1 but that is were it stops. The players from 9 through to 21 are only very average. For a club to play at a good level such as D2 or D1 they would have to sustain good football week in and week out, and not sure they would cope, or get close to competing each week of the year. Clubs even coming through the SAAFL struggle with that part of the game when coming from the lower grades


I guess you mean SFL yardy, GSFL is my home territory the mighty Yankalilla Tigers, going ok too. Hope they make the GF cos it's at home this year. Hear what you're saying, my boys are good players and would be 8 to 14 in the current SFL top team.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Q. » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:29 pm

And, in the SAAFL, you don't usually get the luxury of waltzing to victory several times a year, affording you numerous opportunities to rest players. More often than not, every game is a pressure game.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Look Good In Leather » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:47 pm

Yank Man wrote:Anyhow, back to the topic. I also don't think Brighton are the power club some people think they are. I've watched a couple of their games and they would be good in Div 3 but wouldn't smash teams. The SFL is not that strong and their combined team were recently pasted by the GSFL. I seriously doubt that any top SFL would be anywhere near Div 1. 4 of my current players in Div 7 have all been A graders at Happy Valley and if they went back tomorrow still would and they are not exactly tearing Div 7 apart. Happy Valley are on top. Just sayin'.


It has always seemed to me that the SAAFL & SFL have just become dumping grounds of failed metro leagues, but the Amateur League is where district clubs go to die. There are some exceptions but the list of clubs that are no longer around is quite depressing. If Brighton don't manage to progress up the ranks immediately to Div 1, or get there and drop back soon after, could it do them severe damage?
What happened to the following clubs?
Brompton
Burnside-Kensington
Campbelltown-Magill
Croydon
Eastwood
Ferryden Park
Glandore
Para-Houghton
Port Adelaide United
Salisbury Central
Taperoo
The Parks
Westfields
Woodville District
Woodville West
+ a myriad of college & ethnic/church teams

then there are all the ones that have merged, clubs like Alberton United, Brighton, Camden, Ethelton, Exeter, Goodwood, Norwood Union, Renown Park, Riverside, Semaphore Central, West Lakes/Semaphore Park

As much as people criticise the SFL, we have only lost 4 teams through mergers in the past 40 years and what other community comp do you have 11 competitive teams able to knock each other off on a given day.

Sure there are 4 clubs struggling at the moment, but the bottom end is improving and has improved significantly from 4-5 years ago.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:34 pm

Yank Man wrote:Anyhow, back to the topic. I also don't think Brighton are the power club some people think they are. I've watched a couple of their games and they would be good in Div 3 but wouldn't smash teams. The SFL is not that strong and their combined team were recently pasted by the GSFL. I seriously doubt that any top SFL would be anywhere near Div 1. 4 of my current players in Div 7 have all been A graders at Happy Valley and if they went back tomorrow still would and they are not exactly tearing Div 7 apart. Happy Valley are on top. Just sayin'.


I think you are still smarting from whatever happened to you at Towns re the SFL?

Best judge are people who have played both Div 1 SAAFL and SFL. Opinions are often similar. SFL is more physical and the SAAFL has quicker and higher level skills skilled. The top 2 - 3 sides are Mid Div 1 - Mid Div 2 standard.

Valleys are a vastly improved side this year. I think the point re your players is moot. Your lions are having a great year, however in the SFL, they would not be in contention for the 8.
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby Nearly Was » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:27 pm

Yardy Lard, 100% right , great evaluation and extremely sensible . I come from a once very succesfull A1 club who went through hard times and are now in a resurgence. If we were usurped by a different league club changing leagues from a lesser standard of football I would think the game and it's image was tainted.
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I reckon this has more merrit that most give credit for. You don't hold meetings such as this then tell people we don't know the scenario if we join the SAAFL. Unlike Edwardstown many of the Brighton faithful would already know what the Amateurs are like.
Do Glenelg and West Adelaide want their fringe players potentially playing against Aldinga, Lonsdale ect who are @ best are lower div 6 standard?

This is the slow death of the SFL.



Agreed. I do know of Brighton and have been there. I know a little of their strength in the SFL. I agree entirely that the SFL is a piss ant little league, as opposed to the SAAFL. Much like the Barossa League, they do many things extremely well though, such as run Grand Finals and similar events, I agree entirely that any of the clubs from the SFL or any other league, should be admitted back into the SAAFL if they want, BUT I do worry about a president being set and even in this isolated case, for one club to move back into the D3 competition. There are a host of clubs in D4, D5, D6, D7 who have to earn their way through to higher grades, by hard work and playing in grand finals. Earning the right through to a higher grade as opposed to a FREE meal ticket back to D3 is IMO the only way back. They (admittedly under a different administration) decided to leave the SAAFL before, for greener pastures, so why should the clubs like Golden Grove, Salisbury, Brahma Lodge, Hope Valley, Mawson Lakes etc, etc, etc, etc, all have had to work their collective arses off to move through the grades due to performances. Would feel for those in those clubs who have been doing all the right things over the years in their quest to play in higher grades. Can understand how these clubs and many others would all be highly annoyed at another club from another association shooting past them, because of their strength in another competition or because they simply want to come back to the SAAFL because it now suits them. By all means let the SAAFL meet and greet Brighton, but coming back to D3 IMO is just not on and far too high a grade and clubs below them, who rightly are only interested in their own situation and what happens within their own walls. would be seriously pissed off. That is my opinion and won't be swayed otherwise and would feel for the clubs who are left in the lower grades, if this ever occurred. Clubs have long earned the right of passage through to higher grades. Disregarding if it is Brighton or any other club, they should have earned it, as per every other club in the SAAFL. Clubs like Adelaide University have fallen in D2 from D1 after nearly 100 years of competition, but they have had to earn the rights back to D1 and won't be given a FREE passage back. It is a matter of principal and not the club or clubs, and not how many sides they have or how much money they have.[/quote]
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Re: Brighton to join SAAFL Div 3 2013

Postby marbles » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:48 pm

I think there should simply be one single adelaide plains football competition. Hills teams can stay up in the hills cos its a different altitude of football just like collingwood and their altitude training

My theory which ive expressed before is one premier football league bring in all sfl teams on the plains and also div 1 grand finalists get promoted to sanfl, bottom league clubs come to div 1
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