SAAFL Division 4 & D4R (2012)

[Jimmy_041]

Some photos of the Jets v Heccies game were uploaded on the Jets facebook page.

Some good banter in the photo when our boy #24 is, true to form, elbowing a bloke on the ground in the face.

Moving on; massive game this weekend. I rate Scotch as the best team in the comp, on their day they have the most dangerous players. GG more consistent and probably a better 'team', but Scotch have the most guns.

Jimmy... why wouldn't they be 0 points?[/quote]

Because they have to had played 25 games for the school - simply attending the school doesn't grant them 0 points

I don't think thats his point....

on the assumption that they have played the games for school then.

The concession for Mercedes old scholars only starts at those leaving school last year.
There is no school concession for those leaving school in previous years.

[Executive Member]

Could they be over
Might be more costly than Kilburn

[Jetters]

Could they be over
Might be more costly than Kilburn

Could we be over... um, well that would make our total Mercedes point count 2 rather than -1. We are a mile off the 15 points.

Great wins by the Jets in all grades today. Its the first week we have been hit hard by outs and got the job done in all grades!

[red strip roo]

2 good games yesterday @ greenacres...
Para Hills B's got up by 5pts & a's greenies by 8pts i think in the end..
Couldn't tell with the great siren they have..
1 thing i will say is in my 25 years of footy I've never seen 2 umpires as bad as yesterday in the A grade..
Both ways hands down the worst umpiring display ever!!!!! No wonder they ran off the field after the game, didnt want to hang around & talk.. Not to mention as a club in 10 games we've had the same short useless prick 7 games!!! Work that out??

[BurraBoys]

2 good games yesterday @ greenacres...
Para Hills B's got up by 5pts & a's greenies by 8pts i think in the end..
Couldn't tell with the great siren they have..
1 thing i will say is in my 25 years of footy I've never seen 2 umpires as bad as yesterday in the A grade..
Both ways hands down the worst umpiring display ever!!!!! No wonder they ran off the field after the game, didnt want to hang around & talk.. Not to mention as a club in 10 games we've had the same short useless prick 7 games!!! Work that out??

It couldn't have been the worst display of umpiring ever. That occurred at our game

Look, i'll try to be reserved with my comments. I'm very conscious of our club not wanting to develop a reputation for whinging.
We got done by a good side yesterday. Pultney are obviously our bogey team. I don't mind when umpiring is poor both ways but we were screwed yesterday.

As a player, it's demoralising. To have poor decisions made against you all day and then not get the one's payed for you in a seemingly identical circumstance. At points it felt hopeless.

It didn't stop our effort but we were pushing up hill from the first siren. I know we can all get one eye'd but it felt like playing against an extra two blokes yesterday.

When we played scotch, it was well documented on hear about how we strongly felt like getting a raw deal. Our supporters gave those blokes insurmountable amounts that day for there poor effort. It got to the point that it may have boiled over after the game. Im not sure if it was me or another GG poster, but the comment was made that whoever umpired us that day could not umpire us again this year in a fair and balanced manner

Guess who we had yesterday? I
I don't want to take anything away from Pultney. Given the circumstances...they beat us. But a "C" word comes to mind regarding the men in orange.

[heater31]

It couldn't have been the worst display of umpiring ever. That occurred at our game

Look, i'll try to be reserved with my comments. I'm very conscious of our club not wanting to develop a reputation for whinging.
We got done by a good side yesterday. Pultney are obviously our bogey team. I don't mind when umpiring is poor both ways but we were screwed yesterday.

As a player, it's demoralising. To have poor decisions made against you all day and then not get the one's payed for you in a seemingly identical circumstance. At points it felt hopeless.

It didn't stop our effort but we were pushing up hill from the first siren. I know we can all get one eye'd but it felt like playing against an extra two blokes yesterday.

When we played scotch, it was well documented on hear about how we strongly felt like getting a raw deal. Our supporters gave those blokes insurmountable amounts that day for there poor effort. It got to the point that it may have boiled over after the game. Im not sure if it was me or another GG poster, but the comment was made that whoever umpired us that day could not umpire us again this year in a fair and balanced manner

Guess who we had yesterday? I
I don't want to take anything away from Pultney. Given the circumstances...they beat us. But a "C" word comes to mind regarding the men in orange.

I was at the game yesterday and was talking with your President when we both spotted the men in orange for the day I will say they were slightly improved from the last time but jeez they still have a long way to go. Interpretations of the rules were baffling at times and Golden Grove were not helped by some blokes back chatting. Perfect example was just before halftime and 25m penalty on the siren, think it was the fullback commented that they needed to shut their mouths.

On the game, What was the go with Shane Scudds on the pine for most of the day? He could have eaten his opponent for breakfast yet only kicked the 1 goal. Conditions did not suit Golden Grove at all who have plenty of youth and pace in their side and at times found scoring easy due to defensive errors of the home side.

[BigB]

It really is a chuckle to read some of the comments on this forum. We're all aware that everyone will see things through their own filters; if the opposition get a cheap shot - they deserve it, if your own team cops one - the opposition are dirty bastards. If the soft free is given to them - the umps are maggots, given to you - not a mention. An opposing team is doing well, they've got some ring in's, you've done well with a revamped side - you recruited well. etc etc

The sad thing is, when you put opinionated crap on a blog, it's there for the world to see - and without the rose coloured reading glasses worn when writing it, people will know that it is merely parochial bullshit. In the main only worth being ignored rather commented upon.

However, you cannot justify off the ball thuggery however you look at it. If someone gets hurt in a passage of play - well that's footy. If you get hurt by someone who can't take that you're a better player/team than them, that's ASSAULT.

There are casual workers, self employed people, students etc, who if they are injured and need time off will lose income, study time (ie repeat a full year), or worse, will incur permanent disability just because some dick head can't control his testosterone fuelled neanderthal tendancies. Any club or any supporter who supports that approach is an accessory and should share the same burden of guilt. Well done on the SAAFL for signalling their intent to stamp it out.

Trouble is the brainless monkeys who go out with the intent to "nail someone" don't read these blogs, or anything else for that matter, and the concepts of responsibility and fairness are alien to them. If you are a supporter of any club and you happen to share this view, and you are concerned about some players in your team, do not remain silent. Go to the comittee and express your opinion and encourage action be taken. The game is tough enough and fantastic to watch without needing the biffo.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to remain silent".

[BurraBoys]

I was at the game yesterday and was talking with your President when we both spotted the men in orange for the day I will say they were slightly improved from the last time but jeez they still have a long way to go. Interpretations of the rules were baffling at times and Golden Grove were not helped by some blokes back chatting. Perfect example was just before halftime and 25m penalty on the siren, think it was the fullback commented that they needed to shut their mouths.

On the game, What was the go with Shane Scudds on the pine for most of the day? He could have eaten his opponent for breakfast yet only kicked the 1 goal. Conditions did not suit Golden Grove at all who have plenty of youth and pace in their side and at times found scoring easy due to defensive errors of the home side.

Agreed some backchat didn't help the cause.

I don't think anything said from players to umpires was overtly derogatory but after copping it all day, emotion and frustration boils over.
The umpires yesterday were particularly thin skinned. Even an attempt to question the umpire regarding a decision as to understand the interpretation resulted in a 25. No abuse. Just asking why he saw it how he did.

I believe it was a shoulder injury that kept Shane out for the second half. Not sure of the extent of damage.

[Footy Chick]

It really is a chuckle to read some of the comments on this forum. We're all aware that everyone will see things through their own filters; if the opposition get a cheap shot - they deserve it, if your own team cops one - the opposition are dirty bastards. If the soft free is given to them - the umps are maggots, given to you - not a mention. An opposing team is doing well, they've got some ring in's, you've done well with a revamped side - you recruited well. etc etc

The sad thing is, when you put opinionated crap on a blog, it's there for the world to see - and without the rose coloured reading glasses worn when writing it, people will know that it is merely parochial bullshit. In the main only worth being ignored rather commented upon.

However, you cannot justify off the ball thuggery however you look at it. If someone gets hurt in a passage of play - well that's footy. If you get hurt by someone who can't take that you're a better player/team than them, that's ASSAULT.

There are casual workers, self employed people, students etc, who if they are injured and need time off will lose income, study time (ie repeat a full year), or worse, will incur permanent disability just because some dick head can't control his testosterone fuelled neanderthal tendancies. Any club or any supporter who supports that approach is an accessory and should share the same burden of guilt. Well done on the SAAFL for signalling their intent to stamp it out.

Trouble is the brainless monkeys who go out with the intent to "nail someone" don't read these blogs, or anything else for that matter, and the concepts of responsibility and fairness are alien to them. If you are a supporter of any club and you happen to share this view, and you are concerned about some players in your team, do not remain silent. Go to the comittee and express your opinion and encourage action be taken. The game is tough enough and fantastic to watch without needing the biffo.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to remain silent".

Well said and welcome aboard BigB

[Bold Strategy]

It really is a chuckle to read some of the comments on this forum. We're all aware that everyone will see things through their own filters; if the opposition get a cheap shot - they deserve it, if your own team cops one - the opposition are dirty bastards. If the soft free is given to them - the umps are maggots, given to you - not a mention. An opposing team is doing well, they've got some ring in's, you've done well with a revamped side - you recruited well. etc etc

The sad thing is, when you put opinionated crap on a blog, it's there for the world to see - and without the rose coloured reading glasses worn when writing it, people will know that it is merely parochial bullshit. In the main only worth being ignored rather commented upon.

However, you cannot justify off the ball thuggery however you look at it. If someone gets hurt in a passage of play - well that's footy. If you get hurt by someone who can't take that you're a better player/team than them, that's ASSAULT.

There are casual workers, self employed people, students etc, who if they are injured and need time off will lose income, study time (ie repeat a full year), or worse, will incur permanent disability just because some dick head can't control his testosterone fuelled neanderthal tendancies. Any club or any supporter who supports that approach is an accessory and should share the same burden of guilt. Well done on the SAAFL for signalling their intent to stamp it out.

Trouble is the brainless monkeys who go out with the intent to "nail someone" don't read these blogs, or anything else for that matter, and the concepts of responsibility and fairness are alien to them. If you are a supporter of any club and you happen to share this view, and you are concerned about some players in your team, do not remain silent. Go to the comittee and express your opinion and encourage action be taken. The game is tough enough and fantastic to watch without needing the biffo.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to remain silent".

Well said and welcome aboard BigB

Big B you make too much sense for this forum. IMO i dont reckon there would be any people that play div 4 who's intention is too play footy to purely "nail someone", div 4 although not the highest div still requires commitment and ability to play. Saying that we play a physical, passionate game, fights are always going to break out (most the time someone provokes them, usually the defender or tagger) . But at the end of the day you ask most players and they enjoy this part of the game, the ones that dont stick clear of the fights and the fights pretty tame. 99% of injuries in footy are from non fights any way. The worse fights ive seen in sport are in social sports (indoor soccer is notorious for this), the crowd always gets involved and ive literally been attacked with a chair (why afl ppl shouldnt play soccer they arent used to any contact haha)

[Jabber]

Big B you make too much sense for this forum. IMO i dont reckon there would be any people that play div 4 who's intention is too play footy to purely "nail someone", div 4 although not the highest div still requires commitment and ability to play. Saying that we play a physical, passionate game, fights are always going to break out (most the time someone provokes them, usually the defender or tagger) . But at the end of the day you ask most players and they enjoy this part of the game, the ones that dont stick clear of the fights and the fights pretty tame. 99% of injuries in footy are from non fights any way. The worse fights ive seen in sport are in social sports (indoor soccer is notorious for this), the crowd always gets involved and ive literally been attacked with a chair (why afl ppl shouldnt play soccer they arent used to any contact haha)

Your probably right there, but there would have to be some that would find "nailing someone" as a satisfying by-product...

[aussi rulz]

It really is a chuckle to read some of the comments on this forum. We're all aware that everyone will see things through their own filters; if the opposition get a cheap shot - they deserve it, if your own team cops one - the opposition are dirty bastards. If the soft free is given to them - the umps are maggots, given to you - not a mention. An opposing team is doing well, they've got some ring in's, you've done well with a revamped side - you recruited well. etc etc

The sad thing is, when you put opinionated crap on a blog, it's there for the world to see - and without the rose coloured reading glasses worn when writing it, people will know that it is merely parochial bullshit. In the main only worth being ignored rather commented upon.

However, you cannot justify off the ball thuggery however you look at it. If someone gets hurt in a passage of play - well that's footy. If you get hurt by someone who can't take that you're a better player/team than them, that's ASSAULT.

There are casual workers, self employed people, students etc, who if they are injured and need time off will lose income, study time (ie repeat a full year), or worse, will incur permanent disability just because some dick head can't control his testosterone fuelled neanderthal tendancies. Any club or any supporter who supports that approach is an accessory and should share the same burden of guilt. Well done on the SAAFL for signalling their intent to stamp it out.

Trouble is the brainless monkeys who go out with the intent to "nail someone" don't read these blogs, or anything else for that matter, and the concepts of responsibility and fairness are alien to them. If you are a supporter of any club and you happen to share this view, and you are concerned about some players in your team, do not remain silent. Go to the comittee and express your opinion and encourage action be taken. The game is tough enough and fantastic to watch without needing the biffo.

"All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to remain silent".

Well said

[woodublieve12]

Final score
Plympton 12.5 83
Hectorville 9.10 64

good win for the dogs... played some very good footy... big 3 games at the kennel on saturday

[BigB]

Big B you make too much sense for this forum. IMO i dont reckon there would be any people that play div 4 who's intention is too play footy to purely "nail someone", div 4 although not the highest div still requires commitment and ability to play. Saying that we play a physical, passionate game, fights are always going to break out (most the time someone provokes them, usually the defender or tagger) . But at the end of the day you ask most players and they enjoy this part of the game, the ones that dont stick clear of the fights and the fights pretty tame. 99% of injuries in footy are from non fights any way. The worse fights ive seen in sport are in social sports (indoor soccer is notorious for this), the crowd always gets involved and ive literally been attacked with a chair (why afl ppl shouldnt play soccer they arent used to any contact haha)

Your probably right there, but there would have to be some that would find "nailing someone" as a satisfying by-product...

Well I've seen quite few pretty ordinary undertakings in the years I've been watching amateur league that looked somewhat purposeful, and if you're happy with nailing someone as a by product then its at least in your mind when you go out there, ie premeditated. Having said that, my comments were probably directed at all grades and other competitions and not just Div 4 in and of itself. I also don't think we should fall in the trap of saying "it's worse in synchronised swimming", or whatever, and using that to justify unacceptible behaviour of our own. I would also suggest that guys consider how they'd feel if they maimed or killed someone? Big baggage to carry around.

[Jabber]

Big B you make too much sense for this forum. IMO i dont reckon there would be any people that play div 4 who's intention is too play footy to purely "nail someone", div 4 although not the highest div still requires commitment and ability to play. Saying that we play a physical, passionate game, fights are always going to break out (most the time someone provokes them, usually the defender or tagger) . But at the end of the day you ask most players and they enjoy this part of the game, the ones that dont stick clear of the fights and the fights pretty tame. 99% of injuries in footy are from non fights any way. The worse fights ive seen in sport are in social sports (indoor soccer is notorious for this), the crowd always gets involved and ive literally been attacked with a chair (why afl ppl shouldnt play soccer they arent used to any contact haha)

Your probably right there, but there would have to be some that would find "nailing someone" as a satisfying by-product...

Well I've seen quite few pretty ordinary undertakings in the years I've been watching amateur league that looked somewhat purposeful, and if you're happy with nailing someone as a by product then its at least in your mind when you go out there, ie premeditated. Having said that, my comments were probably directed at all grades and other competitions and not just Div 4 in and of itself. I also don't think we should fall in the trap of saying "it's worse in synchronised swimming", or whatever, and using that to justify unacceptible behaviour of our own. I would also suggest that guys consider how they'd feel if they maimed or killed someone? Big baggage to carry around.

Don't mistake my comments as something that I personally think (thought) when I played, but I'm sure there are some out there that do...

[BigB]

Big B you make too much sense for this forum. IMO i dont reckon there would be any people that play div 4 who's intention is too play footy to purely "nail someone", div 4 although not the highest div still requires commitment and ability to play. Saying that we play a physical, passionate game, fights are always going to break out (most the time someone provokes them, usually the defender or tagger) . But at the end of the day you ask most players and they enjoy this part of the game, the ones that dont stick clear of the fights and the fights pretty tame. 99% of injuries in footy are from non fights any way. The worse fights ive seen in sport are in social sports (indoor soccer is notorious for this), the crowd always gets involved and ive literally been attacked with a chair (why afl ppl shouldnt play soccer they arent used to any contact haha)

Your probably right there, but there would have to be some that would find "nailing someone" as a satisfying by-product...

Well I've seen quite few pretty ordinary undertakings in the years I've been watching amateur league that looked somewhat purposeful, and if you're happy with nailing someone as a by product then its at least in your mind when you go out there, ie premeditated. Having said that, my comments were probably directed at all grades and other competitions and not just Div 4 in and of itself. I also don't think we should fall in the trap of saying "it's worse in synchronised swimming", or whatever, and using that to justify unacceptible behaviour of our own. I would also suggest that guys consider how they'd feel if they maimed or killed someone? Big baggage to carry around.

Don't mistake my comments as something that I personally think (thought) when I played, but I'm sure there are some out there that do...

Didn't, know what you meant

[BigB]

Some photos of the Jets v Heccies game were uploaded on the Jets facebook page.

Some good banter in the photo when our boy #24 is, true to form, elbowing a bloke on the ground in the face.

Moving on; massive game this weekend. I rate Scotch as the best team in the comp, on their day they have the most dangerous players. GG more consistent and probably a better 'team', but Scotch have the most guns.

Jimmy... why wouldn't they be 0 points?[/quote]

Because they have to had played 25 games for the school - simply attending the school doesn't grant them 0 points

I don't think thats his point....

on the assumption that they have played the games for school then.

The concession for Mercedes old scholars only starts at those leaving school last year.
There is no school concession for those leaving school in previous years.

Just need to perhaps clarify a few points on the forum re Unley Mercedes...
1. most of the Mercedes players were already playing for UFC and the new ones have hardly dented the points allocation.
2. UFC already had a strong, just unofficial, relationship with Mercedes over many years.
3. Ratter than being due to the "merger" the good performances so far are more a sign of a young squad with reasonble success over the last 4 years developing due to the consistent investment in them in addition to the dividends paying off as a consequence of establishing juniors 10 years ago. (Many of these guys have been in the same team since U15's, some since U9's) (Remember we missed out on finals last year after losing to the eventual premiers Kilburn by 2 points in the last round - Semi Finals the year before that etc etc.)
4. this year also coincides with an invigorated comittee (most have long associations with UFC) seeking to develop the club off field and the players acknowledging that a lot of people are investing a lot of time in them - it's encouraging a sense of comittment and self worth. Players are believing in themselves and their club.

The teams are not getting ahead of themselves, they approach each game week by week, they have a purposeful attitude, they are a bonded, team focussed squad from the A's down to the C's.

We're only half way through the season so who knows what could happen between now and the business end, no room for cockyness or hubris. Just focussed on next week.

[Push in the Back]

Unley Mercedes people - i see big Jim West had a dob last week...Sensational bloke and past owner of THE tighest shorts in the business..

[catchisthecry]

Yes he did.
3 leading goal kickers were out for A grade game v Scotch and Westy has been helping Hally as assistant coach.
Slid into the goal square and kicked 3 in 10mins in the 2nd quarter... not bad for 46.
Lead the Swans goal kicking in 1990!! and has been a legend at Keith FC now Jets... top bloke.
Not sure if it was a once off or will be a regular as finals approach???

[human blanket #3]

Yes he did.
3 leading goal kickers were out for A grade game v Scotch and Westy has been helping Hally as assistant coach.
Slid into the goal square and kicked 3 in 10mins in the 2nd quarter... not bad for 46.
Lead the Swans goal kicking in 1990!! and has been a legend at Keith FC now Jets... top bloke.
Not sure if it was a once off or will be a regular as finals approach???

wouldnt think he would play finals. top team, dont really want to be changing a winning formalue by putting a 46 year in. as well as someone who has played all year losing their spot. played afl in 1990 - i was 1 yr old at that stage