3RD UMPIRE IN SOCCER needed

[mal]

The last 2 games of soccer I have watched have ben tarnished by poor offside decisions.

MV 6
AU 0

MV scored 2 goals that were offside


LIV 0
MAN 1

LIV scored a goal at about the 60 minute mark which was disallowed and
was deemed to be offside, video replays showed the goal should have stood.
MAN ends up winning 0-1
This decision has virtually gift wrapped the EPL championship to MU

Should we use technology for offsides and penaltys rulings
It is used in cricket where most decisions make small to meduim impacts.
In soccer a goal is an enourmous and at times insurmountale difference.

In perspective LIV lead 1-0 on a ground they have not conceded a goal
since October 2006 with about 30 minutes left.
The result differentiates perhaps, the pattern of play changes etc.

We stop a cricket game for 2 minutes to see if a 3 was a 4 when
a fieldsman fields the ball on the rope
yet
no 3rd umpire for a goal in soccer .....

[RoosterMarty]

For starters, they are referees in football The Bellamy goal was offside as.. Sissoko was it? got a slight touch on it before Bellamy scored so it was a correct decision.

[mal]

RM
Do we need the 3rd ump in soccer
I have only used examples in 2 matches

[RoosterMarty]

No I don't think so at this stage, leave it as is.. bad decisions happen and sometimes they go your way, sometimes they don't. I don't want to slow the game down either.

[Blue Boy]

It has been talked about before - especially in the EPL.

I think it is needed.

Just wondering how come in the EPL you can dispute yellow and red card but you cant in the A-League.

[JK]

This decision has virtually gift wrapped the EPL championship to MU

I think you need to factor in the other 28 matches when assessing why they are so in front Mal, and although I take your point, I think it's unfair to look at one match or result in isolation ... Over the course of the year Im sure it's swings and roundabouts and a team finds itself on both sides of luck on various occasions.

The question is an interesting one though and certainly worth thought ... You could make a justifiable case for the introduction of a 3rd ump, and I think you would find most of the Gaffers in the EPL would be in favour of it.

I'm still undecided, but the problem I would like to see addressed before that is a definitive way of proving whether a ball is or isn't across the line of goal.

[mighty_tiger_79]

MAL is talking through his wallet which was invested on CHELSEA

[dinglinga]

y do u need a 3rd umpire????? there is only 1 referee .....oh if ur counting on the 2 linesmen then that makes 3

then u could count the 4th referee who decides how much time on there is


as i always say

how player mistakes r there in a game?????

[SBR]

I think it should be brought in and used in ridiculous moments.. when there's A LOT of doubt about a desicion.

[magpie in the 80's]

Should we use technology for offsides and penaltys rulings


how hard would it be for the timekeepers to ajudicate (as the so called 3rd umpire in cricket ) on offside rulings and penalties.
IMO linesmen have far more importance to a game than a boundary or touch judge in the other codes. however even they get caught up in the offside trap. i think if a goal is scored which appears to be offside and is appealed against, then send it upstairs to be judged. the time it takes would be the same time it takes a ref to deliver a red/yellow card and fill the details into his little black book . which appears to be happening a lot more in todays game. just adding my thoughts here.

[RoosterMarty]

Yeah a goal is scored, question marks over whether it's offside or not.. check with the video ref.

BUT what if a player gets passed the ball and breaks free from the defence.. he's about to go 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper. Linesman puts his flag up for offside but he wasn't offside? What happens then?
You can not possibly send that to the video ref then have a drop ball or something, that is plain stupid, will the linesmen simply keep their flags down and just rely on the video ref?

It's very difficult to implement this in football.

[magpie in the 80's]

Yeah a goal is scored, question marks over whether it's offside or not.. check with the video ref.

BUT what if a player gets passed the ball and breaks free from the defence.. he's about to go 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper. Linesman puts his flag up for offside but he wasn't offside? What happens then?
You can not possibly send that to the video ref then have a drop ball or something, that is plain stupid, will the linesmen simply keep their flags down and just rely on the video ref?

It's very difficult to implement this in football.

see your point RM. if linesman sees it as offside before his attempt on goal then go with the linesman. my opinion was only if a goal was scored. plenty of if's and but's i do agree.

[devilsadvocate]

The problem for referees assistansts (not linesman anymore) is that to call offside, they have to be looking at two spots at the same time - the ball being passed and the position of the player(s) to whom the ball is being passed.

It's the same a an umpire in cricket trying to determine a runout but at least the bat, crease and stumps are much closer together.

However, as dinglinga said, players cock up all the time so why should refs be expected to be perfect? FFS they aren't even professionals in football like in the AFL or cricket.

Replays would slow the game down big time and probably cause more riots when the replay was shown in the stadium if fans disagreed with the decision.

Human error by officials is part of sport. Interpretation is subjective and in the long term decisions will be pretty close to 50/50 anyway.

Football is the beautiful game. Let it be I reckon. I like it just the way it is!

[mal]

MANCHESTER UNITED 1
MIDDLESBOROUGH 1
Middlesborough denied an obvious penalty in the 90th minute
Let me guess it was against that team again

NEWCASTLE 0
CHELSEA 0
Chelsea denied a penalty after 8 minutes
I didnt see it, but the press are still talking about it

Soccer played over half a year, a sport worth zillions
and yet one umpiring decision can decide the winner of the whole season
Aussie rules + Cricket can absorb blunderous umpiring decisions, but soccer cant.

[Dutchy]

MANCHESTER UNITED 1
MIDDLESBOROUGH 1
Middlesborough denied an obvious penalty in the 90th minute
Let me guess it was against that team again

NEWCASTLE 0
CHELSEA 0
Chelsea denied a penalty after 8 minutes
I didnt see it, but the press are still talking about it

Soccer played over half a year, a sport worth zillions
and yet one umpiring decision can decide the winner of the whole season
Aussie rules + Cricket can absorb blunderous umpiring decisions, but soccer cant.

talking through your wallett here Mal?

[RoosterMarty]

The press = Jose

He whinges about everything, he thinks his team deserves penalties left right and centre. I do agree that Man Utd have been lucky with penalty decisions lately. Chelsea did not deserve to beat Newcastle anyway, they played shit football and didn't look like scoring until Joe Cole rolled the ball past the post in the last minute, Cech was forced into a superb save to deny Dyer earlier. In that game Jose thinks Chelsea should have been awarded a penalty for handball, he is still going on about it but the handball occurred outside the box anyway! The "Special One" is just a sook.