HFL Division 1 (Central)

[dukes]

Has there been any club from country that would be better suited for central div than mt lofty ?

[dukes]

Has there been any club from country that would be better suited for central div than mt lofty ?

Is there a country division who has nominated to come up to central and what club would be better suited than lofty *

[false]

Gervais, stop trying to stir sh$t up for the sake of it.

i'm sorry you think i'm stirring. i can assure you i'm not.

regardless of what structure the hfl implement next year (two divs or three divs), lofty are unlikely to be in central/div 1.

if there's no change to the current structure, i'm aware of two country div clubs who are likely to seek promotion if they make the grand final. the current situation in country division with colts teams makes it untenable.

alternatively, if the hfl go to a three div model in 2013, then two current central clubs will have to fall back. based on current (and likely) ladder positions, lofty is almost certain to be one of these.

i applaud lofty for the way they're trying to rebuild, it's just bad timing.

Don't know what 2 Country clubs it could be.
Echunga maybe, I can tell you it won't be Birdwood and Kersbrook don't have all colts.

Callington?

[Justquietly]

Gervais, name the 2 clubs. Informer is on the money. When reading the Country Div thread there doesn't appear to be a club overly keen on the step up.
And where has this '3 div' thing come from? C grade seems to be working as is so what are you suggesting? And your statement about "regardless" of next year's structure, Lofty won't be there, just isn't adding up. I agree that as a club they'd sit at the foot of the shield standings but I don't understand this whole supposed 2013 structure you're alluding to.
I can't, but if anyone inthe know can shed some light on the League's stance at the BEGINNNG of this season re relegation/promotion, please post.

[Amateur Footy]

It's all in the HFL By Laws. For the benefit of everyone, here's how it reads (note Country div clubs don't have to nominate until after the GF, so I don't think any would nominate mid season):

18.2.1 Promotion to Central Division:
A Country Division Club may, during the current season, nominate in writing
for promotion to Central Division for the following season. For any nomination
to proceed, the nominee Club must be in a position to satisfy all the following
criteria
18.2.1.1 The Senior Team (A grade) of that Club must contest the Grand
Final for that current season; and
18.2.1.2 Must have all teams as specified within the 18.1 to compete within
the Central Division Competition, (with these being A and B Grade,
Senior and Junior Colts, and any other team that may be specified
and agreed by the League, for the inclusion in Central Division
Competitions, for the next season); and
18.2.1.3 Any such nomination must be submitted prior to 31 October in the
that current season; and
18.2.1.4 Confirmation must be tabled at the HFL AGM (1) (December) for
that current season.
18.2.1.5 If two (2) Country Division clubs nominate, the club finishing in the
higher position and meeting all the necessary criteria, shall have
first preference.
If a Country Division Club nominates for promotion as per 18.2.1, the Board
of Directors of the HFL shall advise all Clubs of the HFL of the nomination.
18.2.2 Relegation to Country Division:
If the nomination of a Country Division Club for promotion to Central Division meets
all criteria the following shall be applied in determining the Central Division Club that
will be relegated:
18.2.2.1 A Central Division Club may nominate to be relegated to Country
Division and if successful shall be relegated in the next season.
18.2.2.2 If no Central Division Club nominates for relegation, the Board of
Directors of the HFL shall apply the promotion and relegation points
system as referred in Rule 18.2.3o all Central Division Clubs.
18.2.2.3 The Central Division Club with the lowest points shall be relegated
to Country Division in the next season.
18.2.2.4 If two clubs finish on equal lowest points in Central Division, the
percentage of all four (4) teams (ie: A grade, B Grade, S/C and J/C)
of each Club shall be added and the Club finishing with the lowest
percentage shall be relegated to Country Division.
18.2.3 Promotion and Relegation Points System:
The following points rating system shall be applied to all Central Division Clubs so
as to confirm the Central Division Club to be relegated as per the HFL Promotion
and Relegation as referred in Rule 18.2.2.
· A Grade win: 10 points
· B Grade win: 5 points
· Senior Colts win: 3 points
· Junior Colts win: 3 points
· Drawn game: ½ points to each team (Points to be shared equally)
· Forfeited game: Full points awarded to the team receiving the forfeit.
· Abandoned game: Referred to the HFL Board of Directors.

[dukes]

That should keep gervais quiet ;-)

[Gervais]

That should keep gervais quiet ;-)

how does that keep me quiet exactly. it's entirely consistent with the point i made.

believe me, if no changes are made to the country division in 2013, especially around issues to do with colts teams, then two current country clubs will seek promotion (if they make the gf) - this is exactly what i said in my original post.

just quietly - where have you been hiding? the 3 div proposal has been openly discussed for the last 18 months and the hfl are seriously considering it for next year. there are six country division clubs who want to get back to having all grades playing at the same venue on the same day. this does not happen in the country division.

im sorry for all the my lofty posters that your club is in the doldrums. i understand the financial problems that have impacted on your a-grade results, but if your club is as strong as you make it out to be, just get your junior colts, senior colts, and b grade to win a few games and you wont be in the gun.

[Justquietly]

Thanks, AF! Very useful.
Gervais - I agree with your points re Lofty having to win games, I AM NOT shying away from the potential of the club finishing bottom in the Shield points & I am by no means looking for sympathy etc. What I am trying to establish (which you are STILL alluding to, not EXPLAINING) is this 3 div structure. I'm assuming you mean the bottom few from Central go to a Div 2 with the 'middle' ranked Country teams; the top few from Country come up to Central...but where is a Third Div coming from?
Forgive my supposed ignorance but I don't think that it's been explored much on the CENTRAL thread so it can't be that big a news.

[The Sorce]

Going on Clubs Current A grade positions I would say the 3 Division Comp would Look Somthing Like this:

Divison One:Mount Barker
Uraidla Districts
Hahndorf
Onkaparinga Valley
Ironbank
Torrens Valley
Lobethal

Division TwoBlackwood - If this happens I dont see them staying with HFL ....
Bridgwater
Mount Lofty
Echunga
Kersbrook
Birdwood
Nairne Bremer
Meadows

Divsion Three.Kangarilla
Gumeracha
Macclesfield
Sedan Cambrai
Callington

[the big fella]

Sorce:

Torrens valley over Blckwood in a div 1???

With the buidling game going backwards at a rate of knots..Gh may have to pull the $ and then cherio TV!!!

[false]

Surely if it was to happen it would be

Div 1

Mt Barker
Hahndorf
Blackwood
Uraidla
Lobethal
Mt Lofty
Onkas
Ironbank

Div 2

Torrens Valley
Bridgewater
Torrens Valley
Birdwood
Meadows
Echunga
Kersbrook
Nairne

Div 3

Gumeracha
Kangarilla
Maccy
Sedan
Milang
Cornerstone (?)
Any strong C grade side that would be interested.

Sure Mt Lofty and Blackwood are down the bottom now, but you can't possibly expect them to stay that long there. You need to look at population, access or proximety to large populations, strength of club off field (how well it's has been/is being run) and on-field strength across the board.

[The Sorce]

if you ACTUALLY READ my post it stated, Going on the CURRENT A Grade positions!! not how it should actually Be!!!!

[false]

if you ACTUALLY READ my post it stated, Going on the CURRENT A Grade positions!! not how it should actually Be!!!!

I did actually read your post. Just adding to it.

[The Gimp]

Yep, that's how I see it Informer. i think more than just current A grade performance needs to take into account.
Div 1
Mt Barker
Hahndorf
Blackwood
Uraidla
Lobethal
Mt Lofty
Onkas
Ironbank

Div 2
Bridgewater
Torrens Valley
Birdwood
Meadows
Echunga
Kersbrook
Nairne
Kangarilla

Div 3
Gumeracha
Maccy
Sedan
Callington
Milang
Blackwood C's
Mt Lofty C's
Uraidla C's
Ironbank C's
Onkas C's

Obviously the C grade teams would vary each year depending on numbers but you would expect there would be at least 3-4 teams each year.
If any of the div 3 clubs had 2 senior teams as well as snr colts and jnr colts, then they would be welcome to promote to div 2. You could also keep the current promotion/relegation where if the top 2 teams in div 2 want to promote, either go up and the bottom team from div 1 comes down.

[Justquietly]

I agree with Informer & Gimp, surely not just ladder positions for one year are taken into account.
It's a tough one & you'd think that an announcement a lot sooner than the preceding season would be called for so clubs could really assess their approach/arguments, not just have to do it in an off season eg Kangarilla & Blackwood determining if (wherever they're 'put') they're better off changing leagues.
I'd be surprised if the status quo doesn't remain & this time next year we're having the same debate.

[robby]

I think sending a club like Mt Lofty or Bridgewater down to country division would kill them, why would the talented juniors want to play in country divison. The average age of the Mt Lofty A grade side is 20, bridgey wouldnt be much older and why would they want to win by 100 points most weeks and get belted up weekly by bigger sides that cant keep up with them. I just see players leaving if they were to be sent down. Looking like it may well happen which will be sad. Lobethal had the same problem when they were under threat, they even threatened to go to the BLG rather than play country div.

[The Sorce]

I think sending a club like Mt Lofty or Bridgewater down to country division would kill them, why would the talented juniors want to play in country divison. The average age of the Mt Lofty A grade side is 20, bridgey wouldnt be much older and why would they want to win by 100 points most weeks and get belted up weekly by bigger sides that cant keep up with them. I just see players leaving if they were to be sent down. Looking like it may well happen which will be sad. Lobethal had the same problem when they were under threat, they even threatened to go to the BLG rather than play country div.

That's the spirit that has kept Bridgewater the laughing stock of Central Division for so long!!!! Going on the teams in the Div 2 lists above I would say TV, Birdwood Echunga and Kersbrook would get up over both teams!!!! The whole point of the 3 Divisions is to take away the 100 point thumpings

Would teams rather be one win and 6 losses or go back to Div 2 and rebuild your club around some success and wins on the board, its much easier to attract footballers to a successful club rather then one that doesn't look like playing finals for a long time !!! Then as the time comes and u have rebuilt a winning attitutude that has gone missing make the step back up with confidence and a winning culture behind it.......Now tell me who's really killing their club!

[sub - way]

I hear Andrew (kiwi) Kirwan is picked for his league debut for norwood at noarlunga oval on Friday night. A player onkas are missing this year , a twice best and fairest and runner up in the mail medal last season and still only 22 years old. Good luck mate.....

[dukes]

Can someone tell me whether the hfl will introduce the 3 divisions or is it just here say. It's funny how a club who has been up for so long such as lofty and struck by some financial problems is jumped upon after having a poor start. Bridgewater has been terrible for so many years and based on facilities alone ironbank are not up to standard either surely they should have some of the spotlight shown on them ?

[shake'n'bake]

if it comes down to facilities dukes surely that couldnt put lofty in any better shape!!! It amazes me that they avoid the spotlight over their away changerooms year in year out!!! They are the worst in the comp by a long way!!! Horrible showers and tiny... just because it's bricked up doesn't mean your facilities are adequate!!!

It is good to see Onkas doing some work around their club, their away changerooms (besides the showers) would be right up there with some of the better away facilities now!