Umpires, officials and rules etc.

[Lightning McQueen]

In order to keep our division threads to be footy chat, can please move the other discussions into here thanks.

[Lightning McQueen]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

that hit the nail on the head.....who really goes out on a saturday to play football to be put in hospital by a punch or a kick......the umpire's should have a duty of care to protect all players from this and yes the problem is getting an umpire to report and turn up wednesday or thursday night to testify

How about this for a solution - if an investigation is brought before the league shouldn't also the umpires be investigated as to why they chose not to take action.

Umpires might be more inclined to make the trip to Thebarton if they know they are going to be hauled over the coals for sticking their head in the sand.

Not the umpires' fault in my opinion. It shouldn't be up to them to stamp out thuggery. They are usually club volunteers or guys running around to do a thankless task for a few dollars. We're asking them to analyse exactly was transpires in what are often split second incidents with witnesses rarely agreeing on what actually happened.

The clubs are the enablers. They are the ones who are responsible.

Every club has players on their list who they know are hot heads, undisciplined, have white line fever, massive tempers, whack blokes occasionally and/or have a history of reports. Their clubs turn a blind eye to this, happy to keep playing them because they might be ok at footy or the club needs the numbers. Or the club secretly likes the 'intimidation factor' these players bring though would never say as much. Often they will even make excuses for them - "there was nothing in it" "fair bump" "the damage must have happened when his head hit the ground" etc.

If clubs truly want thuggery to be removed from the league then as a starting point they must stop picking dirty players.

[Lightning McQueen]

Two points here I have highlighted. More often then not especially in b grade, umpires choose to ignore incidents that happen. Also ugly incidents are normally caused by umpires not having control of the game and tempers start to reach boiling point.
Secondly IMO umpires do have a duty of care to stamp out thuggery or undiscipline players. All umpires get paid and pretty well too. Most B grade umpires get at least $50 a game which is not bad for running around for 2 hours, so if they are not willing to turn up on a Wednesday night for half an hour than they should not be umpiring on Saturdays! i know were not playing AFL here but some of the incidents I have heard and seen over the years I have been playing have either had nothing or very little penalties served down. If these incidents happened in the AFL players would be getting 6-8+ weeks for it.

$50 to piss off half the people there every time you blow the whistle no matter if you made the correct decision or not. Give it a go for a few weeks before you make your judgement on if it's easy money or not.

[Cash 123]

Two points here I have highlighted. More often then not especially in b grade, umpires choose to ignore incidents that happen. Also ugly incidents are normally caused by umpires not having control of the game and tempers start to reach boiling point.
Secondly IMO umpires do have a duty of care to stamp out thuggery or undiscipline players. All umpires get paid and pretty well too. Most B grade umpires get at least $50 a game which is not bad for running around for 2 hours, so if they are not willing to turn up on a Wednesday night for half an hour than they should not be umpiring on Saturdays! i know were not playing AFL here but some of the incidents I have heard and seen over the years I have been playing have either had nothing or very little penalties served down. If these incidents happened in the AFL players would be getting 6-8+ weeks for it.

$50 to piss off half the people there every time you blow the whistle no matter if you made the correct decision or not. Give it a go for a few weeks before you make your judgement on if it's easy money or not.

money for jam

[Footy Follower]

Two points here I have highlighted. More often then not especially in b grade, umpires choose to ignore incidents that happen. Also ugly incidents are normally caused by umpires not having control of the game and tempers start to reach boiling point.
Secondly IMO umpires do have a duty of care to stamp out thuggery or undiscipline players. All umpires get paid and pretty well too. Most B grade umpires get at least $50 a game which is not bad for running around for 2 hours, so if they are not willing to turn up on a Wednesday night for half an hour than they should not be umpiring on Saturdays! i know were not playing AFL here but some of the incidents I have heard and seen over the years I have been playing have either had nothing or very little penalties served down. If these incidents happened in the AFL players would be getting 6-8+ weeks for it.

$50 to piss off half the people there every time you blow the whistle no matter if you made the correct decision or not. Give it a go for a few weeks before you make your judgement on if it's easy money or not.

I never said it was easy money, I simply said they get paid well enough the time that they put in, if they are reluctant to give up half an hour on a Wednesday than they are not doing their job properly. An umpires job is to protect the player with the ball if he is taken high etc. If this means reporting a player for negligence or intent on hurting another player than it is part of the umpires job that they get paid for to report and attend the tribunal on a Wednesday night!

[lutz]

Two points here I have highlighted. More often then not especially in b grade, umpires choose to ignore incidents that happen. Also ugly incidents are normally caused by umpires not having control of the game and tempers start to reach boiling point.
Secondly IMO umpires do have a duty of care to stamp out thuggery or undiscipline players. All umpires get paid and pretty well too. Most B grade umpires get at least $50 a game which is not bad for running around for 2 hours, so if they are not willing to turn up on a Wednesday night for half an hour than they should not be umpiring on Saturdays! i know were not playing AFL here but some of the incidents I have heard and seen over the years I have been playing have either had nothing or very little penalties served down. If these incidents happened in the AFL players would be getting 6-8+ weeks for it.

$50 to piss off half the people there every time you blow the whistle no matter if you made the correct decision or not. Give it a go for a few weeks before you make your judgement on if it's easy money or not.

money for jam

Why don't you do it then Cash?

[Lightning McQueen]

I never said it was easy money, I simply said they get paid well enough the time that they put in, if they are reluctant to give up half an hour on a Wednesday than they are not doing their job properly. An umpires job is to protect the player with the ball if he is taken high etc. If this means reporting a player for negligence or intent on hurting another player than it is part of the umpires job that they get paid for to report and attend the tribunal on a Wednesday night!

Absolutely, it's the club's responsibility to provide an umpire that is out there with the best intentions, the ball carriers safety should be paramount.
Umpiring is ten times harder when it gets dirty, you need to stamp it out early, sometimes random acts just happen out of the blue when the game has been mellow for a while.
There probably should be a lot more reports though.

[Cash 123]

Two points here I have highlighted. More often then not especially in b grade, umpires choose to ignore incidents that happen. Also ugly incidents are normally caused by umpires not having control of the game and tempers start to reach boiling point.
Secondly IMO umpires do have a duty of care to stamp out thuggery or undiscipline players. All umpires get paid and pretty well too. Most B grade umpires get at least $50 a game which is not bad for running around for 2 hours, so if they are not willing to turn up on a Wednesday night for half an hour than they should not be umpiring on Saturdays! i know were not playing AFL here but some of the incidents I have heard and seen over the years I have been playing have either had nothing or very little penalties served down. If these incidents happened in the AFL players would be getting 6-8+ weeks for it.

$50 to piss off half the people there every time you blow the whistle no matter if you made the correct decision or not. Give it a go for a few weeks before you make your judgement on if it's easy money or not.

money for jam

Why don't you do it then Cash?

Prob should it beats my current pay rate fro satdays. Not that should be higher atm

[lutz]

money for jam

Why don't you do it then Cash?

Prob should it beats my current pay rate fro satdays. Not that should be higher atm

haha maybe, maybe not. we'll probably get left with shaun williams umpiring soon.

[Cash 123]

money for jam

Why don't you do it then Cash?

Prob should it beats my current pay rate fro satdays. Not that should be higher atm

haha maybe, maybe not. we'll probably get left with shaun williams umpiring soon.

Ive seen some of his boundary umpiring first hand and its disgraceful so I hope not. Im sure DEEMAN would enjoy his services at Ovies

[mickey]

I never said it was easy money, I simply said they get paid well enough the time that they put in, if they are reluctant to give up half an hour on a Wednesday than they are not doing their job properly. An umpires job is to protect the player with the ball if he is taken high etc. If this means reporting a player for negligence or intent on hurting another player than it is part of the umpires job that they get paid for to report and attend the tribunal on a Wednesday night!

Obviously never been to a SAAFL tribunal night..

can get there at 6.30 and not have your case heard by 11pm

[Masha]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

[mickey]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Got roped into umpiring a C grade game a few years ago, the hardest thing is to remember to blow the whistle if you have never umpired before

I just called it as i saw it, and tried to umpire the way i would want it umpired if i was playing... so the AFL style holding the ball went out the window.

Just remember to be consistent

[Yank Man]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Got roped into umpiring a C grade game a few years ago, the hardest thing is to remember to blow the whistle if you have never umpired before

I just called it as i saw it, and tried to umpire the way i would want it umpired if i was playing... so the AFL style holding the ball went out the window.

Just remember to be consistent

Good work mickey. Just pay the obvious and let the game flow. Hello, are there any umpires out there.

[LaughingKookaburra]

I'll throw 1k on it that you will pay less free kicks than Glenunga's umpire I don't even have 1k.

[finn]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Have a chat with the captains before the game explaining how you intend to umpire eg leading with the head is ducking, questions can be asked but no swearing etc so they know what to expect. Keep clear lines of sight to packs by often going diagonally rather than in straight lines and talk to the players eg get the ball out and explain the decisions. Blow the whistle loudly.
Major thing is don't start too technically as its a lower grade game and be consistent in your interpretation of what you see not what you believe you saw. Stamp down on any ill discipline or people will push it.
Best of luck - it can actually be quite rewarding.

[Masha]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Have a chat with the captains before the game explaining how you intend to umpire eg leading with the head is ducking, questions can be asked but no swearing etc so they know what to expect. Keep clear lines of sight to packs by often going diagonally rather than in straight lines and talk to the players eg get the ball out and explain the decisions. Blow the whistle loudly.
Major thing is don't start too technically as its a lower grade game and be consistent in your interpretation of what you see not what you believe you saw. Stamp down on any ill discipline or people will push it.
Best of luck - it can actually be quite rewarding.

All sounds like good advice, many thanks. Here's hoping a lot of my club mates don't try and push the boundaries in terms of trying to get away with more, or even backchat. Will have to cut that out early.

I agree with paying what I see, and keeping it simple, and no tolerance for ill discipline. If I follow that I should be ok

[The Dark Knight]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Have a chat with the captains before the game explaining how you intend to umpire eg leading with the head is ducking, questions can be asked but no swearing etc so they know what to expect. Keep clear lines of sight to packs by often going diagonally rather than in straight lines and talk to the players eg get the ball out and explain the decisions. Blow the whistle loudly.
Major thing is don't start too technically as its a lower grade game and be consistent in your interpretation of what you see not what you believe you saw. Stamp down on any ill discipline or people will push it.
Best of luck - it can actually be quite rewarding.

All sounds like good advice, many thanks. Here's hoping a lot of my club mates don't try and push the boundaries in terms of trying to get away with more, or even backchat. Will have to cut that out early.

I agree with paying what I see, and keeping it simple, and no tolerance for ill discipline. If I follow that I should be ok

Are you coaching and umpiring?

[Masha]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Have a chat with the captains before the game explaining how you intend to umpire eg leading with the head is ducking, questions can be asked but no swearing etc so they know what to expect. Keep clear lines of sight to packs by often going diagonally rather than in straight lines and talk to the players eg get the ball out and explain the decisions. Blow the whistle loudly.
Major thing is don't start too technically as its a lower grade game and be consistent in your interpretation of what you see not what you believe you saw. Stamp down on any ill discipline or people will push it.
Best of luck - it can actually be quite rewarding.

All sounds like good advice, many thanks. Here's hoping a lot of my club mates don't try and push the boundaries in terms of trying to get away with more, or even backchat. Will have to cut that out early.

I agree with paying what I see, and keeping it simple, and no tolerance for ill discipline. If I follow that I should be ok

Are you coaching and umpiring?

Nah mate, coaching C grade, then umpiring the B grade.

[Jimmy_041]

Due to unforseen circumstances, I will be umpiring our clubs game tomorrow vs Glenunga. To be honest, I dont appreciate enough the work umpires put in, but I reckon by 12 tomorrow I will!

Besides been unbiased and not whistle happy, anything that others would like to see/expect out of the umpires? Serious comments please.

Got roped into umpiring a C grade game a few years ago, the hardest thing is to remember to blow the whistle if you have never umpired before

I just called it as i saw it, and tried to umpire the way i would want it umpired if i was playing... so the AFL style holding the ball went out the window.

Just remember to be consistent