Sturt in Financial Trouble?

[Spargo]

Just dont play night games there, the precious people already whinge about how cold Noarlunga is, wait until they have to go to Mt Barker

It's a lot warmer than Bridgewater...

Not hard.
Alaska is warmer than Bridgewater

Colder than charity. I worked at the pub there years ago, they had a 2am license. By the time we left it was closer to 4am.
Windscreen totally covered in ice. It also snowed a couple of times there.

[SDK]

It all started many years ago with a bad decision to move to Adelaide Oval, AWAY from the Sturt facilities and traditional area.
When the mistake was obvious the Unley Oval was gone and taken over by local yuppies who have no interest in football or anything not directly involving them.
Not sure the situation can be retreived but if Sturt are going to move to the Hills .... also an area traditionally associated with Sturt .... they better do it soon before the SANFL in its infinite wisdom give this area to West Adelaide !!!!!

[csbowes]

Maybe we should merge with South...

[CENTURION]

Maybe we should merge with South...

NO! Old people driving Rangerovers would be FAR too dangerous!

[CUTTERMAN]

Maybe we should merge with South...

NO! Old people driving Rangerovers would be FAR too dangerous!

thought you drove a Falcon

[CUTTERMAN]

Maybe we should merge with South...

Maybe one of these days you'll extricate yourself from that picket fence you feel so at ease on and finally back in Sturt and stop what seems to be a bitter vex you have towards them.
Really, what real member/supporter of a club wants to merge.
And yes healthy debate etc etc....not one to stick your head in the sand.....sarcasm meter.... etc etc blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
I'll await the word by word itemized retort.

[CENTURION]

Maybe we should merge with South...

NO! Old people driving Rangerovers would be FAR too dangerous!

thought you drove a Falcon

I do, when it's not stolen!

[CUTTERMAN]

Footy gods then

[SDK]

No Fords are allowed to be permanently parked in Elizabeth. Do so at your own risk.
In fact who would want to own a Ford anyway ????

[Rucciangelo]

I have been saying it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now, show some guts, grow some nuts, move to where the growing population is, Mount Barker, or stay & stagnate.

Moving there won't overcome inept management...

I'm not saying we shouldn't move there, but I am saying its not the panacea to all our woes.

Look pretty obvious you're still piised you didn't get the CEO position when it was up for grabs.
Maybe your management style isn't all it should be either...being the corporate guy and all.

[csbowes]

Maybe we should merge with South...

Maybe one of these days you'll extricate yourself from that picket fence you feel so at ease on and finally back in Sturt and stop what seems to be a bitter vex you have towards them.
Really, what real member/supporter of a club wants to merge.
And yes healthy debate etc etc....not one to stick your head in the sand.....sarcasm meter.... etc etc blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
I'll await the word by word itemized retort.

There's the proof that some Sturt supporters are complete and total edited..

If both Port's were so broke why haven't they sold naming rights to Alberton? If the PAEC won't let them, do they hold the best interests of the Port Adelaide FC and their community at heart?

That's from your signature block... I assume a Port supporter asking that question of the PAFC is somehow bitter and anti-Port? How is it that questions can be asked of the Port board but not the Sturt board?

[csbowes]

I have been saying it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now, show some guts, grow some nuts, move to where the growing population is, Mount Barker, or stay & stagnate.

Moving there won't overcome inept management...

I'm not saying we shouldn't move there, but I am saying its not the panacea to all our woes.

Look pretty obvious you're still piised you didn't get the CEO position when it was up for grabs.
Maybe your management style isn't all it should be either...being the corporate guy and all.

I didn't realise I was nominated for it...

... and I didn't realise you knew my management style either. Feel free to drop by my desk at work to give me pointers...

[rd]

I have been saying it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now, show some guts, grow some nuts, move to where the growing population is, Mount Barker, or stay & stagnate.

Moving there won't overcome inept management...

I'm not saying we shouldn't move there, but I am saying its not the panacea to all our woes.

Look pretty obvious you're still piised you didn't get the CEO position when it was up for grabs.
Maybe your management style isn't all it should be either...being the corporate guy and all.

Sorry Rucci but as an reader of this forum I'm a bit confused what caused you to go down your particular path. From what I can see csbowes has simply asked q's of the Club's administrative and financial performance in recent years which any club member is entitled to do so - he didn't rule out a Mt Barker move - he simply said that some issues may still exist after a Mt Barker is done. So what's your angle Rucci ?

[FOURTH ESTATE]

No Fords are allowed to be permanently parked in Elizabeth. Do so at your own risk.
In fact who would want to own a Ford anyway ????

Because unemployed BOGANS who live on welfare drive holdens and I don't want to be associated with that riff raff in any way shape or form. I have my standards and driving a Holden is beneath contempt

[csbowes]

There's a number of Sturt supporters on here that seem to think I'm overly critical of the club and its management at times. For interests sake lets accept that's the case, what I'd like Cutterman and other apologist to do is comment on the following :-

(a) What action did you take when Sturt, highly leveraged and drowning in debt, chose to borrow $300K to buy poker machines back in the early 1990s, around 1991-92 I believe, in the hope that they would reap such rewards that the club would pay off its debts?

(b) When the club decided to throw out decades of club memorabilia and financial reports dating back over 50 years in order to clear storage space, did you support this move or disagree with the club or not even know they did it?

(c) What action did you take to raise money for the club when it was in financial trouble?

(d) When the club proposed a merger with Norwood in 1995/1996 or thereabouts, what was your response to the proposal and how did you articulate your viewpoint at the extraordinary meeting held at the SFC clubrooms the night the board asked the members to vote on whether the club should bid to get the 2nd AFL license? How did you vote?

(e) When confronted with year on year losses for various reasons, ranging from bad luck to bad environment to even bad management decisions (as admitted by the club at the 2010 AGM), how would you rate the performance of the board of the last 20 plus years and do you think there is room for improvement?

Each of these questions relate to important moments in the clubs recent history. As a supporter and member, I'm sure you had opinions and expressed them to the club. I'm interested in knowing what your thoughts were and what actions you took, as to do nothing, is sitting on that picket fence you somehow think I'm currently atop.

So ante up...

The club does heaps of good things... but being a supporter doesn't mean being a "yes man"...

[dedja]

All in ... anyone else still in the hand?

[CUTTERMAN]

Maybe we should merge with South...

Maybe one of these days you'll extricate yourself from that picket fence you feel so at ease on and finally back in Sturt and stop what seems to be a bitter vex you have towards them.
Really, what real member/supporter of a club wants to merge.
And yes healthy debate etc etc....not one to stick your head in the sand.....sarcasm meter.... etc etc blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
I'll await the word by word itemized retort.

There's the proof that some Sturt supporters are complete and total edited...

It's just my opinion of your stance from what you post on here and other forums. On your part it's nearly always negative towards Sturt. I don't see how that provides any proof that I'm a complete and total edited, as you so nicely put it.
For nearly all of the 90's I've been either travelling and working overseas or interstate and have had no real contact with the club, since then I've been a member nearly every year, mostly a season member. I've custom made furniture that I have donated to the club for their gala auction and intend to continue with that support if they are willing to accept it.
I help out where my skills best suit.
I don't profess to be the best supporter, I don't profess to know the ins and outs of the clubs financials and I don't choose to comment on much of that. I also don't continuously undermine the club with constant negative jibes. If you're so concerned about the direction and financials of the club why would a supporter choose to deal with it on a public forum when they can quite easily approach the club? You seem to jump on every chance possible to attack the club you say you love so much.
A club needs vigilant and proactive debate from its members, I have nothing against that but it would seem that even the most reasonable and moderate Sturt supporter that frequents these forums wonders if you have the clubs best interest at heart.
CS, I've answered questions that you've asked, questions that I don't need to answer to you or anybody else on here. I'm not going to enter into a public argument with you, I would only suggest that if you are concerned, you take your concerns to the club and not to a public forum. One will get answers, one won't.
Yours sincerely,
Complete and Total edited.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Just because you "got involved" doesn't mean you have any more rights or your opinion means more than any other member. Thinking that you do makes you a massive edited I'm glad you support Sturt though csbowes.

[csbowes]

Cutterman,

This is the point. You made assumptions.

I discussed the pokie purchase with Ross Tuohy, SFC GM. I spoke publicly to the board and the SFC membership at the AGM when the merger with Norwood was put forward. I spoke directly to a sponsor at an AGM in front of the membership and the President and the GM when that sponsor criticised the club for making decisions in its own best interest, which at the time, was not in this sponsors best interest. I've spoken to the GM and the President at the AGMs many times about the clubs financial performance, both good and bad. I don't go about criticising / whinging / whatever on forums alone. I go to the AGMs and ask questions there. I don't badger the club, I don't ring them up every five minutes, I wait, allow them to do their work and then ask questions at the AGM, which is the forum provided by the club to allow members to raise concerns etc.

I bring up club decisions on here because talking football is not just about reviewing games, its about reviewing club politics, history, players, performances and financials etc. Its about everything.

[csbowes]

Just because you "got involved" doesn't mean you have any more rights or your opinion means more than any other member. Thinking that you do makes you a massive edited I'm glad you support Sturt though csbowes.

Where did I say my opinion means more than any other member (or supporter for that matter)?

I made a comment about merging with South... an off the cuff remark... and I was told I was a fence sitting so-and-so... I was accused of being overly negative about the club, so to prove a point, I asked those people to comment on some aspects of Sturt's recent history, to highlight that being negative about some club decisions does not mean you have a vendetta against the club, it can simply mean you're passionate and interested.

Which I am...

It's like arrogance versus confidence... it can be easily misunderstood.

The thing is, if I don't get involved, people say, oh you whine and say this and that but do nothing, if I do get involved, then people think I'm some sort of annoying idiot. How can you win?