AFL RESERVES

[Booney]

Hi might not be bitter, he might just be sick of the shit you post?

[topsywaldron]

Typical Port response, play the man huh?

[Booney]

The PAFC is on record saying it won't buy into the Reserves Team debate. If I have Glenelg mates scratching their heads as to why Salopek was dropped, surely Matthew Primus is entitled to do the same?

Spot the four lies and distortions here.

Not sure why you're so bitter Beenreal, seek help.

Ok, please point out the 4 lies or distortions in beenreals post.

I assume you will have substantiated evidence to back it up. Please.

[on the rails]

The PAFC is on record saying it won't buy into the Reserves Team debate. If I have Glenelg mates scratching their heads as to why Salopek was dropped, surely Matthew Primus is entitled to do the same?

Crap - both the PAFC and AFC have Rucci on their payroll when it comes to buying into the debate re the AFL Reserves issue along with the taking back over the licences from the SANFL.

Give the licences back to the AFL clubs to run their own show, let them field their Reserves side in any other comp besides the SANFL and see how well they would do? That would spell the end of the Magpies in the SANFL but the majority of PAFC / Magpie fans refuse to acknowledge that in the bigger picture debate?

[Pseudo]

The incessant whiny little bleating from the two Adelaide AFL teams does my head in.

Combined they spent nearly $50M dollars on players and football departments yet they can't afford to go to the VFL and run their reserves teams? Give me a break. Maybe lay off some of the dead wood, the Crows have a full time leadership consultant FFS, and they might be able to afford to fly these guys over to Melbourne once a week.

I do hope the irony of the Crows and the West Coast Eagles absolutely flying near the top of the ladder isn't lost on the handful of people calling for them to have a reserves team, god forbid they did we might as well call the AFL season off they'd be that far ahead of the rest.

As for the Power, well they can make as many limp excuses as they like but if players like Salopek aren't playing well enough to be picked in a league team maybe they should look at their own development structures rather than blaming the club where the player spends little more time than on game day itself.

[Pseudo]

The main issue is not whether or not the Crows or Power should have have a reseves team.

I accept the Crows and Power have the right to decide if their surplus players should be together or not.

What is the main issue is where this reserves team would play.

Anywhere but the SANFL League Comp is fine by me.

I have no problem with AFL seconds lining up in SANFL league teams - IF and only IF the SANFL league coaches have complete control over how (and indeed if) these players are used in the league team.

Perhaps the AFL clubs should be given a choice on where their returning players line up. They can request a player line up in SANFL reserves, where the AFL clubs also get to have some say over how that player is used. OR they can allow that player to compete for selection in the SANFL league team, where (if selected) he will be under complete control of the SANFL coach.

I fail to see how the AFL clubs could grizzle with this. They could either provide a player with development for a specific role (reserves) or provide a player with match practice in a comp where the aim is to win (league).

[Booney]

The PAFC is on record saying it won't buy into the Reserves Team debate. If I have Glenelg mates scratching their heads as to why Salopek was dropped, surely Matthew Primus is entitled to do the same?

Crap - both the PAFC and AFC have Rucci on their payroll when it comes to buying into the debate re the AFL Reserves issue along with the taking back over the licences from the SANFL.

Give the licences back to the AFL clubs to run their own show, let them field their Reserves side in any other comp besides the SANFL and see how well they would do? That would spell the end of the Magpies in the SANFL but the majority of PAFC / Magpie fans refuse to acknowledge that in the bigger picture debate?

I think you would find those inside the PAFC would prefer if Rucci didn't portray his opinions as those of the people inside Alberton Oval.

[Ian]

I have no problem with AFL seconds lining up in SANFL league teams - IF and only IF the SANFL league coaches have complete control over how (and indeed if) these players are used in the league team.

Perhaps the AFL clubs should be given a choice on where their returning players line up. They can request a player line up in SANFL reserves, where the AFL clubs also get to have some say over how that player is used. OR they can allow that player to compete for selection in the SANFL league team, where (if selected) he will be under complete control of the SANFL coach.

I fail to see how the AFL clubs could grizzle with this. They could either provide a player with development for a specific role (reserves) or provide a player with match practice in a comp where the aim is to win (league).

Totally agree. The SANFL coaches need to do what is best for their club, not what is best for a AFL club

[MatteeG]

If I have Glenelg mates scratching their heads as to why Salopek was dropped, surely Matthew Primus is entitled to do the same?

Your Glenelg mates dont see many games do they?

Sal looked slow and busted most of this year. His body is clearly not right. Plus he keeps holding the ball up instead of playing on.

[CENTURION]

it's simple, to make things fair on everyone & not so confusing come game day, if you get drafted, that's it. You are in a different comp. now, so good luck but seeya later. what the AFL does about those players after they leave is their problem. there are guys in the reserves sides that deserve league games but aren't getting the chance (Waldhuter for one), so they get jacked off and go play in the ammos, they need to be protected, not the guy that leaves for more coin in the AFL.

[beenreal]

Perhaps the AFL clubs should be given a choice on where their returning players line up. They can request a player line up in SANFL reserves, where the AFL clubs also get to have some say over how that player is used. OR they can allow that player to compete for selection in the SANFL league team, where (if selected) he will be under complete control of the SANFL coach.
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I actually don't mind that suggestion.

And one of my "head-scratching" Bay mates is looking at a Board position, so I'm pretty sure he watches the games. He was staggered Salopek was dropped after his recent performance against the Eagles.

[Wedgie]

Perhaps the AFL clubs should be given a choice on where their returning players line up. They can request a player line up in SANFL reserves, where the AFL clubs also get to have some say over how that player is used. OR they can allow that player to compete for selection in the SANFL league team, where (if selected) he will be under complete control of the SANFL coach.
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I actually don't mind that suggestion.

And one of my "head-scratching" Bay mates is looking at a Board position, so I'm pretty sure he watches the games. He was staggered Salopek was dropped after his recent performance against the Eagles.

Im looking at a position on the Australian Track and Field 100 metre sprint team. Doesn't mean I'll get it or have more important/credible opinions or observe things closer than others though.

[topsywaldron]

1. Primus has openly talked about wanting a reserves team. Lie.
2. That the opinion of mates stands for anything in this debate. Distortion.
3. That the poster in question has 'mates' Lie/ Distortion take your pick but leaning towards the former.
4. That Primus wouldn't have been told exactly why the player in question was dropped. Distortion.

There you go.

[holden78]

How about:

Round 1 Power Reserves V Crow Reserves
Round 2 Crows Reserves v Power Reserves
Round 3 Power Reserves V Crow Reserves

Continue Alternating over 22 Rounds.

Top 2 qualify for the grandfinal.

Finally an option that gives everyone what they deserve and a fitting result by September! Take your 150 rotations a game, your broadcasting $, Vlad Demetriou, camera's stuck up umpires asses, bottom teams that are pathetic to watch, hyperbole over basic football collisions and Victorian bias ...... and leave SANFL forever

[on the rails]

The PAFC is on record saying it won't buy into the Reserves Team debate. If I have Glenelg mates scratching their heads as to why Salopek was dropped, surely Matthew Primus is entitled to do the same?

Crap - both the PAFC and AFC have Rucci on their payroll when it comes to buying into the debate re the AFL Reserves issue along with the taking back over the licences from the SANFL.

Give the licences back to the AFL clubs to run their own show, let them field their Reserves side in any other comp besides the SANFL and see how well they would do? That would spell the end of the Magpies in the SANFL but the majority of PAFC / Magpie fans refuse to acknowledge that in the bigger picture debate?

I think you would find those inside the PAFC would prefer if Rucci didn't portray his opinions as those of the people inside Alberton Oval.

Well maybe someone like your CEO or Coach should come and refute his claims but that wouldn't suit the Port agenda now would it?

[Aerie]

My concern is if there is an AFL Reserves competition formed then where will all the players come from? You'd need an AFL squad of about 60-65 to ensure there are enough players. If around 200 players are taken out of the SANFL/WAFL etc to make sure there is enough players to field reserves teams then where does that leave our comp? We'd need to be able to offer more to players to counteract what they'd get if they were playing AFL reserves so they'd choose a State League career ahead of an AFL Reserves career.

[MatteeG]

Perhaps the AFL clubs should be given a choice on where their returning players line up. They can request a player line up in SANFL reserves, where the AFL clubs also get to have some say over how that player is used. OR they can allow that player to compete for selection in the SANFL league team, where (if selected) he will be under complete control of the SANFL coach.
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I actually don't mind that suggestion.

And one of my "head-scratching" Bay mates is looking at a Board position, so I'm pretty sure he watches the games. He was staggered Salopek was dropped after his recent performance against the Eagles.

Reakon he was dropped after the loss to Souf. I could be wrong!

[Dirko]

Reakon he was dropped after the loss to Souf. I could be wrong!

Spot on Mattee G.

And beenreal, this Bays mate was staggered by one reasonable game, and he wants in on the board? Heaven help us.....

[beenreal]

1. Primus has openly talked about wanting a reserves team. Lie.
2. That the opinion of mates stands for anything in this debate. Distortion.
3. That the poster in question has 'mates' Lie/ Distortion take your pick but leaning towards the former.
4. That Primus wouldn't have been told exactly why the player in question was dropped. Distortion.

There you go.

1. Primus has openly answered questions from Journalists on the placement of players. Clarification.
2. I haven't seen him play so must rely on third party quoting from those who have. Quite common on this forum.
3. Playing the man yourself Topsy? Hypocrite.
4. Doesn't necessarily mean he agrees with it. Scratches head.

[Psyber]

Port have raised having a reserves team in the SANFL several times - directly and indirectly.
The Crows have never raised it first, only said, "If they had one we would then want one too."

The SANFL is not owned by the AFL teams, the AFL teams are sub-licensees of the SANFL.
Reasonably, no SANFL team is going to want players they have developed playing against them, or taken away to play in a VFL team.

I'd rather cut the AFL teams loose than let them wreck the SANFL any more.
Forget it Port, you've already done enough damage by triggering the whole AFL thing in SA anyway...