Kilburn Stripped

[Jimmy_041]

Spot on Turk a badly ill conceived idea pushed on us by the CFL. We should have told them to get stuffed!! Did we need it NO!!! Just like we needed a salary cap there was no problem in our league just because every other league had problems. Spending big in this league never got anyone a premiership only a bunch of money grabbers.

We were appallingly told of what was going on from the beginning of it.

Elements of what you say are true FE. It was pushed onto the clubs YES by the CFB. Yes they should have told them to get stuffed until it was worked out properly, Yes it probably is even restraint of trade.

I don't think the salary cap was the answer however as just too easy to manipulate. Am sure this version of the points system is not the answer either, however I think some version of the points system is the way to go. Certainly not this one NO. What exactly it is I really don't know, but it certainly needs a lot of work on it before next season. If there are no changes then alternatives such as get stuffed might have to be the option, but lets hope a better version or re-vamped version of the points system might be put in place. NO to the salary cap though as we all know what can be done there and probably most of us have seen some things we should not have with it.

Well, unfortunately, an overseas trip was far more important to someone than sorting it out.
Its in now and, as far as Im concerned, its part of our R&Rs so the Rules & Regs Committee has the power to review and make recommendations. There are some pretty good and smart people on there to do it.

[Yardy Lard]

Spot on Turk a badly ill conceived idea pushed on us by the CFL. We should have told them to get stuffed!! Did we need it NO!!! Just like we needed a salary cap there was no problem in our league just because every other league had problems. Spending big in this league never got anyone a premiership only a bunch of money grabbers.

We were appallingly told of what was going on from the beginning of it.

Elements of what you say are true FE. It was pushed onto the clubs YES by the CFB. Yes they should have told them to get stuffed until it was worked out properly, Yes it probably is even restraint of trade.

I don't think the salary cap was the answer however as just too easy to manipulate. Am sure this version of the points system is not the answer either, however I think some version of the points system is the way to go. Certainly not this one NO. What exactly it is I really don't know, but it certainly needs a lot of work on it before next season. If there are no changes then alternatives such as get stuffed might have to be the option, but lets hope a better version or re-vamped version of the points system might be put in place. NO to the salary cap though as we all know what can be done there and probably most of us have seen some things we should not have with it.

Well, unfortunately, an overseas trip was far more important to someone than sorting it out.
Its in now and, as far as Im concerned, its part of our R&Rs so the Rules & Regs Committee has the power to review and make recommendations. There are some pretty good and smart people on there to do it.

More than one person on that overseas trip to SA as well, who had a very big say in what went on. Was all in place anyway before Colonel Klink took off as the CFB wanted it to happen. That was it really. They wanted it to happen and was always going to happen.

Thats the short and sweet version.

[Jimmy_041]

Wanting, and making, it happen can be different poles of the world.
And the maker has the power to make it work or not

[turk186]

Jimmy your right we do have some smart, clever people on our R&R committee but they, as you correctly point out can only make recommendations, we as a League and a group of clubs have no direct control over the process or the system that is in place... the CFB can look at our proposal, disagree, change or reject it and tell us to crawl back under the rock and we appear powerless to do anything about it.........

next thing we know the CFB will remove a layer of governance and run the entire show themselves and if that happens SAAFL clubs will well and truly loose any identity and strength... in fact the SAAFL will just fade away...........

[Jimmy_041]

We dont HAVE to be members of the APPS, Sporting Pulse or the CFL and they well & truly know it

[turk186]

We dont HAVE to be members of the APPS, Sporting Pulse or the CFL and they well & truly know it

Again 100% true but if we talk about divorcing ourselves from the CFL out comes the big "funding" stick and again we fold

[Yardy Lard]

We dont HAVE to be members of the APPS, Sporting Pulse or the CFL and they well & truly know it

Again 100% true but if we talk about divorcing ourselves from the CFL out comes the big "funding" stick and again we fold

Yes it is a big funding stick and a shot gun is kind of held at the heads of the SAAFL. Lets give the SAAFL and some of the honcho's some credit there. They are kind of told do it or else you will get SFA.

Sometimes you are held over a barrow and just have to comply, even against better judgement. I am sure that many would like to tell the CFB to stick it where the sun does not shine, but bite their lip because of the funding situation. No - the SAAFL does not HAVE to be a member of anything, but as Turk says - the funding stick is the key component. Depends on the amount really, I guess. Obviously the funding is sufficient to play ball with the CFB. There will be a time however, where pride and honour comes into it and someone will tell them to just shove it merrily up their cake holes. Sometimes enough is enough and you just don't think it is worth the crap that comes with working within the guidelines or the system and just no longer give a toss.

[Jimmy_041]

Nothing in life is free and you don't always get all of what you want, so you weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision as to the best course of action for all
We'll just have to trust the Executive to make those judgement calls because the clubs elect them to do exactly that.
Plus they get all of the facts, not just the scuttlebutt on here.

[turk186]

Jimmy my comments are not meant to be taken as critisism of the Executive in fact taking into account the mess that was inherited by them , things seem to be going along ok.

its the APPS and the way it applies to our competition and the method in which it was introduced that $hits me, we have a unique association and there was not enough consideration given to its application as it applies to us thats frustrating...
the only good thing that has come out of this from my POV is that it has made me sit down and read the r&r's and the constitution of the CFL and I now have a question about members and obligations of the CFL ....but this is not the time or place to ask the question untill I seek some clarification from people a lot more knowledgeable

[Jimmy_041]

I didn't take your comments as such - I was referring to YLs about the funding stick

[Yank Man]

We dont HAVE to be members of the APPS, Sporting Pulse or the CFL and they well & truly know it

Again 100% true but if we talk about divorcing ourselves from the CFL out comes the big "funding" stick and again we fold

Every competition in SA is now at loggerheads with the pts system, not just SAAFL. It was designed to stop the good clubs getting stronger and the weaker clubs to be given an opportunity to get better. Imo SAAFL has promotion and relegation and that sorts most of it out. The points system to me is ludicrous. Sorry, just an opinion that I saw coming a long time ago.

[The Big Shrek]

We dont HAVE to be members of the APPS, Sporting Pulse or the CFL and they well & truly know it

Again 100% true but if we talk about divorcing ourselves from the CFL out comes the big "funding" stick and again we fold

Every competition in SA is now at loggerheads with the pts system, not just SAAFL. It was designed to stop the good clubs getting stronger and the weaker clubs to be given an opportunity to get better. Imo SAAFL has promotion and relegation and that sorts most of it out. The points system to me is ludicrous. Sorry, just an opinion that I saw coming a long time ago.

No point arguing with Jimmy, he has toe the company line.

Amateur league wasn't broken so why fix it. Board full of busy bodies wanting to change something to leave a legacy rather than just focusing on the basics of running the league.

All we want is to play footy on Saturdays with decent umpires. League HQ should focus on that, keeping club finances healthy and promoting the game to youngsters.

Leave bullsit like APPS to some other muppets.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Agree with you Shrek "If it ain't broken don't play with it"

[The Big Shrek]

Agree with you Shrek "If it ain't broken don't play with it"

That's why I tell the ladies my dick is broken.

[Blacks130]

No point arguing with Jimmy, he has toe the company line.

Amateur league wasn't broken so why fix it. Board full of busy bodies wanting to change something to leave a legacy rather than just focusing on the basics of running the league.

All we want is to play footy on Saturdays with decent umpires. League HQ should focus on that, keeping club finances healthy and promoting the game to youngsters.

Leave bullsit like APPS to some other muppets.

Those volunteers for the last 150 years must've been super human to do it. Thank god for the community football league. How would we manage without them?

[Caramels]

No point arguing with Jimmy, he has toe the company line.

Amateur league wasn't broken so why fix it. Board full of busy bodies wanting to change something to leave a legacy rather than just focusing on the basics of running the league.

All we want is to play footy on Saturdays with decent umpires. League HQ should focus on that, keeping club finances healthy and promoting the game to youngsters.

Leave bullsit like APPS to some other muppets.[/quote]


A rather unwarranted and unnecessary comment TBS, these guys have done a great job in a short time so back off! FYI, it wasn't broken, it was severed in many places by inadequate and unqualified persons who trod the path before these guys.
You're entitled to an opinion but for Chr*st sake think before you write such dribble!

[Nearly Was]

Kilburn did stuff up but so did the SAAFL. An email was sent requesting a status position on Nick Pearce as he came to us from Fitzroy, previous to that North Adelaide seconds. We were never answered and were unable to get a direction on his points. Surely an email could have bben sent and this shjt would not have got out of hand. Even then why wasn't the problem found after game 1 if it is supposedly so easy to work out points? It took the SAAFL 4 games to get their own house in order!!! What a lot of shjt!!

[turk186]

Perhaps the SAAFL should have waited till round 15 before pulling the rug out ... that would have gone down well

Think there is a saying that goes something like "do the crime ..do the time" ALL clubs know the rules and the penalties that apply if they get broken.

play on

[Killa]

Kilburn did stuff up but so did the SAAFL. An email was sent requesting a status position on Nick Pearce as he came to us from Fitzroy, previous to that North Adelaide seconds. We were never answered and were unable to get a direction on his points. Surely an email could have bben sent and this shjt would not have got out of hand. Even then why wasn't the problem found after game 1 if it is supposedly so easy to work out points? It took the SAAFL 4 games to get their own house in order!!! What a lot of shjt!!

I guess you have to come up with 12 thousand excuses to cover for each dollar of the fine. What about the rumour of covering it up?

[DKL]

Kilburn did stuff up but so did the SAAFL. An email was sent requesting a status position on Nick Pearce as he came to us from Fitzroy, previous to that North Adelaide seconds. We were never answered and were unable to get a direction on his points. Surely an email could have bben sent and this shjt would not have got out of hand. Even then why wasn't the problem found after game 1 if it is supposedly so easy to work out points? It took the SAAFL 4 games to get their own house in order!!! What a lot of shjt!!

If it is true that Kilburn sent a email and it wasn't replied I think that is a bit rough.