Kilburn Stripped

[mighty hounds]

Its pretty simple isn't it? You play 25 games at any club your zero points.

[mighty hounds]

What i don't understand is that there is absolutely no way of tracking college football and how many games you've played, schools don't keep record and they don't do team sheets!

Would school footy constitute as a junior club?

Most kids at school have a junior club they play for outside of the school system.

[Yank Man]

Its pretty simple isn't it? You play 25 games at any club your zero points.

Correct "mighty hounds". MP have 3 of them, all played A grade SFL in finals but come back zero. I am all for the pts system but it is out of sync. We spent hours and hours making sure we had it right and ended up with a very good team with 3 pts total. Sometimes you have to say "no" to recruit from the the right areas.

[lutz]

Is it just me or does it seem a bit wrong that we are nearly a quarter of the way thru the season and we are still not sure how it works?
With such huge ramifications applied if you are wrong, and not a credible system to check the players history on, it seems to me that it is a huge mistake.

Seems like you, Lutz & Kilburn are the only ones that dont know how the system works you muppets

I understand fine Cash, just informing that the system had been around longer than The Informer had thought.
Nice emoticon by the way Cash, is that the real cause of your injury?

[Boosh]

Wouldn't he have to play at least a game for the other club? If so, we will help you out when you play us.

Thanks for the offer Beefy but I think we will decline it mate

[Boosh]

What i don't understand is that there is absolutely no way of tracking college football and how many games you've played, schools don't keep record and they don't do team sheets!

Would school footy constitute as a junior club?

Most kids at school have a junior club they play for outside of the school system.

It seems that this is the only way to keep it fair for college sides otherwise they would be at a huge disadvantage. But any players at my school who were any good played for a club long before they played for their school. I played 6 seasons for Ethelton but would be 3 points for Portland as they were all before the age of 13 and would be zero for North Haven as I played over 25 games over the age of 13.

However I would be 0 points for St Michaels Old Scholars Hindmarsh West Lakes Football Club as I was forced to play college football on Saturday mornings. I must say that both West Lakes and Hindmarsh Football Clubs taught me a great deal as a junior.

[Old Dog New Tricks]

Its pretty simple isn't it? You play 25 games at any club your zero points.

I had a bit of a read up on this last night and it is simple but a point needs highlighting.

The 25 games as a junior must be played at the said club in between the ages of U/14 and 18 years of age.

[turbo182]

What i don't understand is that there is absolutely no way of tracking college football and how many games you've played, schools don't keep record and they don't do team sheets!

Would school footy constitute as a junior club?

Most kids at school have a junior club they play for outside of the school system.

It seems that this is the only way to keep it fair for college sides otherwise they would be at a huge disadvantage. But any players at my school who were any good played for a club long before they played for their school. I played 6 seasons for Ethelton but would be 3 points for Portland as they were all before the age of 13 and would be zero for North Haven as I played over 25 games over the age of 13.

However I would be 0 points for St Michaels Old Scholars Hindmarsh West Lakes Football Club as I was forced to play college football on Saturday mornings. I must say that both West Lakes and Hindmarsh Football Clubs taught me a great deal as a junior.

Thats the perfect example of old schollars vs Junior Club Points. Boosh obviously feels he learnt nothing from School footy adn has gone to his junior club. I (like majority of my team-mates) didn't have as much fun or enjoyment playing anywhere as i did playing for SMC, hence playing at SMOSH.

[locky801]

Its pretty simple isn't it? You play 25 games at any club your zero points.

I had a bit of a read up on this last night and it is simple but a point needs highlighting.

The 25 games as a junior must be played at the said club in between the ages of U/14 and 18 years of age.

Wonder how many clubs actually have those records though, i know some that have never worried about totalling Junior Games played until the last couple of years

[Jimmy_041]

I hope Salisbury North have got junior records

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/micky-o-makes-good-on-promise/story-fn6bqphm-1226357586618

[Caramels]

[quote="Jimmy_041"]I hope Salisbury North have got junior records



Oh ooh! That sounds ominous.
Must agree with Locky, I wonder how many clubs have/would keep junior records 'cause after all, the taxation dept.only needs you to keep them for 7 years.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Good point jimmy! article says he stopped playing at U/15 hmmmmmmmmm????

[Old Dog New Tricks]

Good point jimmy! article says he stopped playing at U/15 hmmmmmmmmm????

You're reaching. I'm not sure if he's pulled the boots on since retiring from the Swans but that was in 2009 so if my reading of the rules is correct, he's a zero pointer anywhere.

[Jimmy_041]

Only stirring

Played a game earlier this year: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/localfooty/former-afl-stars-to-play-in-anzac-match/story-fn53klea-1226330503513

Has not played for 2 years prior so he's a zero pointer (had you worried though )

Before you ask - he maintains his zero point status all year regardless of which team

[FOURTH ESTATE]

The question does remain thou due diligence is required when working with this system. For the average person it can be quite confusing.

[turk186]

There certainly appears to be some issues with the APPS and the application of them but from my POV the way in which the system was "forced" on the clubs and reresentatives of other leagues using "scare" tactics about open cheque books etc and how the points system would "protect" our clubs has been a load of BS.

We lost 5 of our best players from last year 3 of which went to 1 country club and the APPS seemed to make no difference at all in fact it hurt us because as we have no juniors coming thruogh for a number of years,to replace these guys who were 0 points for us means we have to recruit and if we can find a good player we either
1. cant compete with $$$ offered by country clubs or
2. have to wear high point value if he is an A grade footballer

what it has meant is that any predominately good steady B grade player from higher grades now has a target on their back and a $ sign over their heads and this in turn makes our competition even more mercinary than ever.

IMO the APPS in its present form has done little or nothing to protect the SAAFL the clubs or the players that clubs spend time and money developing.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Spot on Turk a badly ill conceived idea pushed on us by the CFL. We should have told them to get stuffed!! Did we need it NO!!! Just like we needed a salary cap there was no problem in our league just because every other league had problems. Spending big in this league never got anyone a premiership only a bunch of money grabbers.

[Jimmy_041]

Maybe if we had been properly informed, and prepared, early in 2010, it would all have been different.

We all have different views depending on our own circumstances - I can see both sides of the argument, but the salary cap was a joke whereas this system, although it has its flaws, is enforceable. The important thing to do is improve it which takes a lot of time and effort by smarter people than me.

My own club are now prioritising old scholars and the ratio has increased in the past year so it is doing good stuff for us. We are adapting to our circumstances, others wont and will suffer.

I do agree that those clubs without juniors have a problem, but that's a matter of having to re-think and adapt.

[Yardy Lard]

Spot on Turk a badly ill conceived idea pushed on us by the CFL. We should have told them to get stuffed!! Did we need it NO!!! Just like we needed a salary cap there was no problem in our league just because every other league had problems. Spending big in this league never got anyone a premiership only a bunch of money grabbers.

We were appallingly told of what was going on from the beginning of it. Being told of a 3 year trial and then rushed in after one year was the single worst thing about it, as no-one could plan and was terrible.

Elements of what you say are true FE. It was pushed onto the clubs YES by the CFB. Yes they should have told them to get stuffed until it was worked out properly, Yes it probably is even restraint of trade.

I don't think the salary cap was or is the answer however as just too easy to manipulate. Am sure this version of the points system is not the answer either, however I think some version of the points system is the way to go. Certainly not this one NO. What exactly it is I really don't know, but it certainly needs a lot of work on it before next season. If there are no changes then alternatives such as get stuffed might have to be the option, but lets hope a better version or re-vamped version of the points system might be put in place. NO to the salary cap though as we all know what can be done there and probably most of us have seen some things we should not have with it.

[Jimmy_041]

Plus, I'd just like to point out, Uni have never had juniors.
Maybe steal some of their people to show you how to pinch juniors worth zero points