2nd Test West Indies vs Australia @ Port of Spain

[Johno6]

i agree with everything mal has said......

[mal]

Early in 2010-11 season there were 30 first class cricketers signed to the 6 states and CA who were injured.

22 were fast bowlers. I think that means it's better now, but still not great.

Staggering
Even in Domestic cricket , fast bowlers are injured too often

Theres a correlation between AU producing fast bowlers and the amount of them being injured
Geez shake a Gum Tree and Australia has another 140+km bowler to take over
Quite simply AU produces more 140km+ bowlers than say India would
So we should be have more fast bowlers break down

BUT
Its the percentage of fast bowlers to each breakdown or injured thats a problem
Glenn Mcgrath was an ironman, very rarely injured and played a decade and very rarely missed games thru injury
But these days just about every quick is injured for short and long term periods
Look at the current crop of fast bowlers, it almost gets too this :
*CANT BELIEVE NOT 1 FAST BOWLER CAN PLAY MORE THAN 5-6 TESTS WITHOUT BREAKING DOWN*

[Lightning McQueen]

Early in 2010-11 season there were 30 first class cricketers signed to the 6 states and CA who were injured.

22 were fast bowlers. I think that means it's better now, but still not great.

Staggering
Even in Domestic cricket , fast bowlers are injured too often

Theres a correlation between AU producing fast bowlers and the amount of them being injured
Geez shake a Gum Tree and Australia has another 140+km bowler to take over
Quite simply AU produces more 140km+ bowlers than say India would
So we should be have more fast bowlers break down

BUT
Its the percentage of fast bowlers to each breakdown or injured thats a problem
Glenn Mcgrath was an ironman, very rarely injured and played a decade and very rarely missed games thru injury
But these days just about every quick is injured for short and long term periods
Look at the current crop of fast bowlers, it almost gets too this :
*CANT BELIEVE NOT 1 BOWLER CAN PLAY MORE THAN 5-6 TESTS WITHOUT BREAKING DOWN*

Maybe the 10km/ph less that McGrath bowled made the difference, perhaps they over-exert themselves trying to gain that extra bit of pace?

[mal]

i agree with everything mal has said......

Yeah
But its been bloody hard agreeing with The Sleeping Guruiant in this thread

[The Sleeping Giant]

Early in 2010-11 season there were 30 first class cricketers signed to the 6 states and CA who were injured.

22 were fast bowlers. I think that means it's better now, but still not great.

Staggering
Even in Domestic cricket , fast bowlers are injured too often

Theres a correlation between AU producing fast bowlers and the amount of them being injured
Geez shake a Gum Tree and Australia has another 140+km bowler to take over
Quite simply AU produces more 140km+ bowlers than say India would
So we should be have more fast bowlers break down

BUT
Its the percentage of fast bowlers to each breakdown or injured thats a problem
Glenn Mcgrath was an ironman, very rarely injured and played a decade and very rarely missed games thru injury
But these days just about every quick is injured for short and long term periods
Look at the current crop of fast bowlers, it almost gets too this :
*CANT BELIEVE NOT 1 BOWLER CAN PLAY MORE THAN 5-6 TESTS WITHOUT BREAKING DOWN*

Maybe the 10km/ph less that McGrath bowled made the difference, perhaps they over-exert themselves trying to gain that extra bit of pace?

Well McGrath proved that you don't have to bowl 150km to be successful.

So did SIR RICHARD HADLEE

LINE AND LENGTH
HIT THE SEAM

Australian fast bowlers take note.

[Pottsy]

Copeland tried that.

[DOC]

How did he go?

[Pottsy]

Pretty well.

Don't think the selectors liked his eyebrow ring.

[Media Park]

GILLESPIE

also send their regards

Played 70-odd Tests over a fair stretch...
Apart from the knock with Tugga (which is hardly softcockitis) how much did he miss?

[mal]

GILLESPIE

also send their regards

Played 70-odd Tests over a fair stretch...
Apart from the knock with Tugga (which is hardly softcockitis) how much did he miss?

Earlyish in his career he was injury prone

[The Sleeping Giant]

Although Dizzy was an ironman compared to today's crop.

[FlyingHigh]

And
PATTINSON
SIDDLE
JOHNSON
HARRIS
CUMMINS
say gidday mate

Am Bays you have picked out a few fast bowlers from different countries in different eras
Ive listed 5 Australian fast bowlers in the same era at the same time, and all have been injured recently
Ive not even listed WATTO who also suffers from cripplitis as well


The Sleeping Giant has asked
Are Australias fast bowlers the most fragile in history ?
Absolutely
The evidence right here and now at present time vindicates The Sleeping Giant post

STARC
CUTTING
say hullo as well


GILLESPIE
TAIT
also send their regards

Am Bays, Im perplexed by your response

They should have more match-simulated training regimes, I heard Warnie mention that they bowl for half an hour stints at practice once or twice a day.
I think they should bowl half a dozen balls on the trot then have 4 minutes rest and repeat the process an hour or so later. It's like their "match-conditioning" isn't up to scratch, they all appear as fit as mallee bulls but we do break down far too often.

Agree LM. Perhaps their match-simulation could actually occur in matches, ie shield and club games, rather than excessive training. Don't often agree with Jeff Thomson, but as he argues, bowlers in his day used to front up for the full Shield season and any club games. Surely match simulation at club level is more realistic than another net session?

[brod]

James Pattinson's likely return to fitness in time for Australia's ODI visit to England and Ireland may not be enough to get him on the trip, as the national selectors ponder whether to afford him a more comprehensive pre-Ashes scouting visit on an Australia A tour of the UK later.

[Lightning McQueen]

Pretty well.

Don't think the selectors liked his eyebrow ring.

Fair enough too

[Grahaml]

Early in 2010-11 season there were 30 first class cricketers signed to the 6 states and CA who were injured.

22 were fast bowlers. I think that means it's better now, but still not great.

Staggering
Even in Domestic cricket , fast bowlers are injured too often

Theres a correlation between AU producing fast bowlers and the amount of them being injured
Geez shake a Gum Tree and Australia has another 140+km bowler to take over
Quite simply AU produces more 140km+ bowlers than say India would
So we should be have more fast bowlers break down

BUT
Its the percentage of fast bowlers to each breakdown or injured thats a problem
Glenn Mcgrath was an ironman, very rarely injured and played a decade and very rarely missed games thru injury
But these days just about every quick is injured for short and long term periods
Look at the current crop of fast bowlers, it almost gets too this :
*CANT BELIEVE NOT 1 FAST BOWLER CAN PLAY MORE THAN 5-6 TESTS WITHOUT BREAKING DOWN*

Remember it wasn't so long ago that any bowler up around 140 was considered fairly quick. Now everyone bowls like that, many up around 150 when they really put in. That all takes it's toll. I wonder whether one day we'll be able to get good speed measurements of former players from tapes, like the WI bowlers and Thommo and find out whether they really were faster than modern players, the same or even slower.

As for taking the pace off, Watson has become a much, much better bowler since dropping from 145 to 130. More effective and hardly seems to get hurt anymore. Not sure if it would work across the board, but I've no doubt the wily medium pacer will never be lost to test cricket.