Kapunda Killer

[The Sleeping Giant]

which is why civilised countries don't employ it anymore.

Civilised countries like Singapore?

lol, I think you missed my thinly veiled dig at the US

Thinly veiled? More like a sledgehammer.

[mickey]

which is why civilised countries don't employ it anymore.

Civilised countries like Singapore?

lol, I think you missed my thinly veiled dig at the US

Thinly veiled? More like a sledgehammer.

Velvet?

[Barto]

If someone in our society wants to and does kill on purpose, i have no problem with society killing them. There is enough financial issues in this world the last thing we need to be spending is $80 dollars a day to keep scum of the earth alive. I would rather see that money spent on the victims family to recieve life long help and assitance.

For all we know the murderer may live a better exsistance in jail than he did in the outside world. He now has no bills, no work, no responsibilties, doesnt need to cook, clean etc etc.

The world is to soft on murderers and sex offenders.

In American states where capital punishment is legal, it actually cost more to kill people believe it or not. The argument about the cost of imprisoning people is a furphy.

[Psyber]

How many have been wrongly imprisoned since advanced DNA forensics ? I don't know when the whole DNA thing got really advanced but I'd imagine the majority of them would of been incarcerated prior to say late 90's

New DNA evidence probably exonerated most of them.

I'd still be worried if charged with something I didn't do, as I suspect DNA evidence is as good and honest as the technician running the test, regardless of how good the technology itself is.

[Q.]

How many have been wrongly imprisoned since advanced DNA forensics ? I don't know when the whole DNA thing got really advanced but I'd imagine the majority of them would of been incarcerated prior to say late 90's

New DNA evidence probably exonerated most of them.

I'd still be worried if charged with something I didn't do, as I suspect DNA evidence is as good and honest as the technician running the test, regardless of how good the technology itself is.

Correct, it's not infallible evidence.

[The Big Shrek]

Two of the Snowtown killers were sentenced without the possibility of parole I think. So thats probably similar to a 45 year sentence.

I think this Kapunda bloke will get around 30 years, I would personally like to see someone like him never released, however I think I read the other day the Prosecution say they expect a non parole period to be fixed so as to give a little bit of hope and assist with prospects for "rehabilitation".

In SA there is a mandatory life sentence for murder(head sentence). There is now a minimum 20 year non parole period unless certain "special reasons" exist. Even if special reasons exist the judge doesn't have to go under 20.

A judge can decline to set a non parole period(as was done with Bunting and Wagner of Snowtown fame) but an application can then be made further down the track to fix a non parole period. There is no power to set a sentence "never to be released ".

Vlassakis from Snowtown would have got a NPP of 42 years from memory but this got knocked down to 26 for him giving evidence. He pleaded guilty to four murders.

My guess for this bloke is 38 years non parole. Whether he gets out then is unknown as the government isn't too keen on releasing murderers. Who knows what the situation will be like in 40 years.

[Dogwatcher]

Sentencing this week?

[mick]

Two of the Snowtown killers were sentenced without the possibility of parole I think. So thats probably similar to a 45 year sentence.

I think this Kapunda bloke will get around 30 years, I would personally like to see someone like him never released, however I think I read the other day the Prosecution say they expect a non parole period to be fixed so as to give a little bit of hope and assist with prospects for "rehabilitation".

In SA there is a mandatory life sentence for murder(head sentence). There is now a minimum 20 year non parole period unless certain "special reasons" exist. Even if special reasons exist the judge doesn't have to go under 20.

A judge can decline to set a non parole period(as was done with Bunting and Wagner of Snowtown fame) but an application can then be made further down the track to fix a non parole period. There is no power to set a sentence "never to be released ".

Vlassakis from Snowtown would have got a NPP of 42 years from memory but this got knocked down to 26 for him giving evidence. He pleaded guilty to four murders.

My guess for this bloke is 38 years non parole. Whether he gets out then is unknown as the government isn't too keen on releasing murderers. Who knows what the situation will be like in 40 years.

Unfortunately the Rann government politicised the justice system to win votes, so things are likely to change in the future, given he is only 21 he may be out sooner if we get an ethical non interfering government

[GWW]

I personally hope he's never released.

[Dogwatcher]

Sentencing on Tuesday.

[The Big Shrek]

Two of the Snowtown killers were sentenced without the possibility of parole I think. So thats probably similar to a 45 year sentence.

I think this Kapunda bloke will get around 30 years, I would personally like to see someone like him never released, however I think I read the other day the Prosecution say they expect a non parole period to be fixed so as to give a little bit of hope and assist with prospects for "rehabilitation".

In SA there is a mandatory life sentence for murder(head sentence). There is now a minimum 20 year non parole period unless certain "special reasons" exist. Even if special reasons exist the judge doesn't have to go under 20.

A judge can decline to set a non parole period(as was done with Bunting and Wagner of Snowtown fame) but an application can then be made further down the track to fix a non parole period. There is no power to set a sentence "never to be released ".

Vlassakis from Snowtown would have got a NPP of 42 years from memory but this got knocked down to 26 for him giving evidence. He pleaded guilty to four murders.

My guess for this bloke is 38 years non parole. Whether he gets out then is unknown as the government isn't too keen on releasing murderers. Who knows what the situation will be like in 40 years.

Unfortunately the Rann government politicised the justice system to win votes, so things are likely to change in the future, given he is only 21 he may be out sooner if we get an ethical non interfering government

Agree with you there. Unfortunately they didn't seem to give a lot of thought to their decisions in that area. Instead of looking at individual cases carefully they just ran what they thought was a populist line.

[Dogwatcher]

Life - 35 years non parole

[Booney]

Grossly inadequate.
Perhaps 35 years of breaking rocks in blistering sun while being repeatedly beaten.

[LMA]

Grossly inadequate.
Perhaps 35 years of breaking rocks in blistering sun while being repeatedly beaten.

Weak as piss, the brother's statement sums it up he and his family and the deceased have been given life while this scum of sound mind gets off lightly and still has time when he gets out to forge a life for himself. Disappointing result for the family and the public

[scoob]

The important thing is that the lad gets the rehabilitation he needs to be able to re-enter society in 35 years time and hopefully he can positively contribute to society.

[Footy Chick]

Thats only almost 12 years for each life he took, which technically isn't a life sentence. Perhaps had he been given 3 x 35 years....

[mighty_tiger_79]

Thats only almost 12 years for each life he took, which technically isn't a life sentence. Perhaps had he been given 3 x 35 years....

i agree

thats how they do it in the states i reckon

[Q.]

My guess for this bloke is 38 years non parole. Whether he gets out then is unknown as the government isn't too keen on releasing murderers. Who knows what the situation will be like in 40 years.

Pretty good guess there Shrekko!

[The Big Shrek]

My guess for this bloke is 38 years non parole. Whether he gets out then is unknown as the government isn't too keen on releasing murderers. Who knows what the situation will be like in 40 years.

Pretty good guess there Shrekko!

I'd be happy with 35 if I was his lawyer. Not too many multiple cold blooded murderers around to compare it too though. Always a bit tricky to guess exactly what they'll get, and different judges would give different sentences.

[Psyber]

The problem is that with people who commit serious offences when young:
- some are just immature and impulsive and may have behaved differently in a more stable environment.
- some of the above will mature in time with external control provided and change.
- some would have behaved more rationally if they were not off their faces on something.
- some are insane.
- some are marginally insane but not diagnosable as such at the time.
- some are lastingly impulsive and unstable, if not technically insane.
- some are simply sociopathic, will not change, and can't be treated - the latest research suggests this pattern it may be a neurological wiring deficit.

The problem with this lad is what will show up in time and what changes, if any, will time bring?
These are just some of the imponderables that will shape what happens to him over the years.