Norwood vs Eagles post match review

[SDK]

Great win and a great start to the year beating both of last years Grand Finalist ..... BUT the finals are played in September not April.
Norwood have great depth but remember we have few injuries ( apart from Will Young again ) and we have most AFL listed players playing.
Dont write off the Eagles or Central, both will be in the top 3 again come September.
Just nice to enjoy the moment though.

If a player wants to spit the dummy after being dropped coming back from injury then he should not be at the Club. If you let players get away with that sort of conduct your Club is buggered. There are about half a dozen players who should be playing League football at the Parade ( as above ) not just one Nathan !

[Trent Plucktrum]

The moment
Late in the Last Quarter

5-5 WWT
5-0 Simon Phillips [not sure of the points tally]

WWT led and appeared to be holding off Phillips
Phillips had about the last shot of the game
A goal and Phillips wins the match
But
His shot for goal was off line and went thru for a point

5-5 WWT
5-1 Simon Phillips
WWT hang on for victory

Are you Rainman ?

[mal]

This is what I have trouble understanding
And I see this enough times to comment
This time it concerns the 2011 Premiership winner
At a time when WWT was about 40-50 points down in the 2nd quarter
I reckon it was Ben Warren who got the ball near the wing
He bombed a long drop punt into or very near the goal square
Simon Phillips marked the ball
Phillips, with no other NW players in the vicinity marked against 3 WWT defenders

The question must be asked
Can WWT win a game of football at that stage , with a large deficit, playing that many numbers behind the ball ?

[The Sleeping Giant]

So are you happy norwood kicked a decent score, or unhappy the Eagles didn't kick a decent score?

[holden78]

The love in @ Oval Ave is officially over and our coach and captain might want to shake every player in both Reserves / League up ASAP as mental weakness ( re. soft , lazy gutless approach ) can go viral very quick ! That said , you cant beat good sides without 21 League standard players in 2012 ! Fairclough and Bock are miles away while Sumner and Rae cant be expected to fire in a side that looks well pleased with itself and just going through the motions since the band began playing at the first trial game ( true story ! ). Might even be time for the Chairman to have a quiet ( or not quiet ) word as so far the players are an embarassment to be quite honest throwing away alot of hard earned respect .

[Brendan M]

Not many highlights for WWT. Fairclough chasing down and catching the unstoppable Phillips in the third quarter was one.

[PhilH]

Charlie Rae's goal on debut was nice, Fairclough's run down on Phillips the only time #12 put a foot wrong all day ... and that was about it for the Eagles.

[Big Phil]

Not many highlights for WWT. Fairclough chasing down and catching the unstoppable Phillips in the third quarter was one.

Charlie Rae's goal on debut was nice, Fairclough's run down on Phillips the only time #12 put a foot wrong all day ... and that was about it for the Eagles.

I mentioned earlier that I though Phil Raymond's overall game was very impressive, considering the end result...

[Aerie]

Glad I decided to go camping instead of watching that. Out of sight out of mind! Must win game against Glenelg at home next week.

[mighty_tiger_79]

So are you happy norwood kicked a decent score, or unhappy the Eagles didn't kick a decent score?

or unhappy that wwt defeated Phillips?

[Mr Fuller]

Not really sure where we go from this.

The loss was as bad as we have ever had. Some people around me were drawing comparisons with that disaster against Sturt last year early in the season. I disagreed becase I believe the difference was that in that game we were just making ridiculous mistakes i.e. kicking into the player on the mark so we were always going to get better and quite quickly.

This game against norwood we were just thoroughly outplayed, in part because Norwood played really well but also because our there are huge deficiencies in our team. I've listed three things below that really stand out to me

1. Our forward line is too reliant on Grocke. He has no support from any tall around him and we lack a midsized Westbrook/Treeby who is also able to take a markt and kick a goal. The failure for our recruiting staff to identify this in recent seasons and react is a major reason why we are never able to kick more than about 10-11 goals per match.

2. Our lack of speed kills us. We have known for some time the eagles' official recruiting policy has been to avoid recruiting/developing midfielders with speed in preference to the heavier/taller (but far slower) midfielder. I think a this works ok against a team like centrals or when the ground is wet and heavy but in dry conditions and at times when we are getting killed in ruck (i.e. the Bock factor see below) then this exposes us.

3. There is no backup to Parry. This one is quite simple. Parry is the league's dominant ruckman no doubt. However when he goes on we are effectively playing one man down because Bock comes on and gives nothing. No hitouts, no marks, no possessions. Meanwhile, the opponent's ruckman has every opportunity to stamp dominance on the game during this time and this has been the case so far this season. If we had support for Parry then he would also be very useful to rest up forward where he would be a good target and would kick 1-2 goals a game. If we are unlikely to get Redden back and Hoban continues his absence then Godden HAS to bring up whoever is rucking in the reserves, even if he is 16 years old to support Parry. Failing that then Grieger/Grocke will have to pinch hit there which is not the ideal solution.

[Mr Fuller]

Note that the above point wrt the eagles rucking problems should be reworded to refer to the problems when Parry goes off and Bock comes on

[holden78]

Not really sure where we go from this.

The loss was as bad as we have ever had. Some people around me were drawing comparisons with that disaster against Sturt last year early in the season. I disagreed becase I believe the difference was that in that game we were just making ridiculous mistakes i.e. kicking into the player on the mark so we were always going to get better and quite quickly.

This game against norwood we were just thoroughly outplayed, in part because Norwood played really well but also because our there are huge deficiencies in our team. I've listed three things below that really stand out to me

1. Our forward line is too reliant on Grocke. He has no support from any tall around him and we lack a midsized Westbrook/Treeby who is also able to take a markt and kick a goal. The failure for our recruiting staff to identify this in recent seasons and react is a major reason why we are never able to kick more than about 10-11 goals per match.

2. Our lack of speed kills us. We have known for some time the eagles' official recruiting policy has been to avoid recruiting/developing midfielders with speed in preference to the heavier/taller (but far slower) midfielder. I think a this works ok against a team like centrals or when the ground is wet and heavy but in dry conditions and at times when we are getting killed in ruck (i.e. the Bock factor see below) then this exposes us.

3. There is no backup to Parry. This one is quite simple. Parry is the league's dominant ruckman no doubt. However when he goes on we are effectively playing one man down because Bock comes on and gives nothing. No hitouts, no marks, no possessions. Meanwhile, the opponent's ruckman has every opportunity to stamp dominance on the game during this time and this has been the case so far this season. If we had support for Parry then he would also be very useful to rest up forward where he would be a good target and would kick 1-2 goals a game. If we are unlikely to get Redden back and Hoban continues his absence then Godden HAS to bring up whoever is rucking in the reserves, even if he is 16 years old to support Parry. Failing that then Grieger/Grocke will have to pinch hit there which is not the ideal solution.

Nice post Mr F , re. point 1 Kane would be footy dept. answer to that and Fitzgerald their most likely support for Grocke & Staple with Cicca pinch hitting ( literally ) forward also ! Point 2 the speed issue is a very very interesting topic nowdays as a Flag papers over many negatives . When we are switched on , our midfield get the ball as well as anyone on the inside , allowing Jarrad , Toumpas , Hall and Goldy to move it on quick , but if the toughness is only there with Parry , well its good night Mr John Holmes , we're F---ed ! This season will be ala the last until it doesnt work and Godden is sure its rebuild time . Point 3 is the most intriguing though as its one of those opinion ones that for my money the Footy dept. should be right now getting off their asses and being proactive about . It could well be Parry's last season , but even if it's not , we need genuine back up Now ! Bock may never cut it and Hoban is a total project so we need to initiate what the Dogs did with Sutherland and rip some country / amateur league giant that can give Parry a solid rest when needed . We know the Cap space is there due to Allmond's year off so lets see how good the CEO really is ! Over to you Mr Davies ?

[wedgetail]

Have my doubts on 2 recruits this year- Sumner and Shirley. We have several other players of Shirley's ilk and I think the pace of the game may have passed him by. Sumner just doesn't get enough touches and hasn't a defensive bone in his body. Unfortunately, Fairclough and Bock aren't just up to it. I hope my observations are proven wrong!

[Jim05]

Have my doubts on 2 recruits this year- Sumner and Shirley. We have several other players of Shirley's ilk and I think the pace of the game may have passed him by. Sumner just doesn't get enough touches and hasn't a defensive bone in his body. Unfortunately, Fairclough and Bock aren't just up to it. I hope my observations are proven wrong!

Saw a bit of Bock at Essendon and Bendigo, he is nowhere near up to it

[HOORAY PUNT]

Have my doubts on 2 recruits this year- Sumner and Shirley. We have several other players of Shirley's ilk and I think the pace of the game may have passed him by. Sumner just doesn't get enough touches and hasn't a defensive bone in his body. Unfortunately, Fairclough and Bock aren't just up to it. I hope my observations are proven wrong!

Shirley you can't be serious.

[holden78]

Have my doubts on 2 recruits this year- Sumner and Shirley. We have several other players of Shirley's ilk and I think the pace of the game may have passed him by. Sumner just doesn't get enough touches and hasn't a defensive bone in his body. Unfortunately, Fairclough and Bock aren't just up to it. I hope my observations are proven wrong!

Sumner looks like a kid who needs lots of development time put into him and I would go as far as Godden doing it himself instead of an assistant because the lads response time maybe fast tracked that way . Unfortunately Bock and Fairy have physical issues that give them little chance of making it unless their mental toughness can be developed quickly. Shirley needs a specific role to play each week ie. tag player X or back pocket , because for a guy who has played midfield his whole career , that has passed him by as 2012 SANFL midfielders are mostly well coached and good movers ....... looks like back pocket then !