Rnd 2 - Central v Norwood POST GAME DISCUSSION

[csbowes]

If Sturt ever have 12 years of dominance they may feel the effect of the 'casual' supporter who loses interest.

We were crap, then dominated (if you like lets pick 12 years 66-78 in a very strong comp) and then are crap again.
I dont remember a drop in members when we were winning. Certainly dropped a lot when we struggled.

You were crap and now dominate. Numbers should be up. All the great clubs increase members and crowds when successful.

Replace 'great' with 'fair weather' and you have that quote about right!

It can't be argued... when you dominate, crowds go up, when you're poor, crowds go down. Maybe the crowds Central gets now reflect the surge, maybe this is about as good as their support gets, just an average level of support.

That's not a criticism, but I don't recall Central ever having that many supporters and so during the period 1964-1994 say, when the club had the chance to build a supporter base, it wasn't able to due to onfield performances being so-so.

Then the league took a hit with the AFL and so the opportunity was lost...

[sjt]

It seems a few on this site are fixated with centrals crowd numbers. What do we have about the fourth biggest home ground crowds? A few hundred between each position? I don't know, haven't checked. It doesnt surprise me that the youngest club (besides) the merged eagles, isn't top of the home attendance ladder. Success doesn't necessarily translate to crowds, look at wwt (successful) or collingwood during their years of no success. Do people think if south win the next nine premierships, they'll have the biggest home ground crowds? In fact being successful is detrimental, in getting opposition supporters to travel to your ground. It's not due to lack of trying, facilities etc. Of course we'd like more, it is what it is. I'm sure the eagles would like more - but they've still got last years premiership cup in the cabinet.
The consistent raising of this topic, by some, reminds me of when I was in primary school. When centrals lost, I could say "well at least we've got the best cheerleaders". I can't say that anymore, but I can be satisfied with the "cups" in the cabinet regardless of how many choose to share in it.
Good luck to all clubs with increasing their memberships.

P.s we're going to struggle with only one key forward. We're going to be relying on obst returning to a huge degree.

[mal]

Another disappointing effort by NW against CD
Once again the NW forward line ended up with a modest return, this time of 9-12 against the dawgs
Bassett will need to address this recurring inability to score against this mob

What the? You won and you're complaining? I would swap our score with yours any day.

It's mal.

Take the win, YES

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Consistently scoring less than 10 goals recently against the competitions trendsetter is a matter of concern

The question I ask is
How many teams have won SANFL Grand Finals kicking 9-12 or less on our lifetimes ?

[CedeNullis]

Agree with Mal. (Which worries me ) Norwood should have won by a lot more.

[Groucho]

I kind of understand what you are saying BUT I would rather win than lose any day.

I of course remember the 2000 Grand Final CD 8 - 13 (61) def WWT 5 - 9 (39).

So you see Mal it can be done, you just have to keep the opposition to less goals (or total score) and I would still rather be in your situation than mine this morning. But I see your point, that's the only one I can remember.

[Psyber]

It can't be argued... when you dominate, crowds go up, when you're poor, crowds go down. Maybe the crowds Central gets now reflect the surge, maybe this is about as good as their support gets, just an average level of support.

That's not a criticism, but I don't recall Central ever having that many supporters and so during the period 1964-1994 say, when the club had the chance to build a supporter base, it wasn't able to due to onfield performances being so-so.

Then the league took a hit with the AFL and so the opportunity was lost...

It is a core principle of business.
If you make a good product people buy and if you dish up rubbish they walk away, though it may take them a while to wise up and do so.
Obviously, some posters believe you should pay for whatever the team you have followed chooses to serve up as if it is some form of tribal obligation of loyalty.

I'm not the tribal/group-driven type..
Lose interest in delivering a good product and I start to lose interest in your product.

[fester69]

Yes Central had a lot of players out but everyone conveniently forgets we had only 8 of the starting 21 from the 2010 GF play last night, a huge turn around for any club in a 2 year period.

On a side note I immensely enjoyed the banter and sledging, pity some can give it but not take it, in particular a couple of Norwood "supporters" who really were just embarrassing. Mind you their Central "counterparts" weren't much better!!

Now for the Wiggles!!

[Dutchy]

Is Nason injured?

Played ressies

And I was shot down for suggesting he wouldnt make their best 21, seems he cant even make their worst 21...

He is coming off a limited pre-season due to injury so will need some time to gain match fitness...

Why was he named in the extended squad then?

[whufc]

yes we are the first team to ever name a player who was never going to play!!!! Trendsetter once again!

[cennals05]

Lose interest in delivering a good product and I start to lose interest in your product.

Also known by its scientific name 'the bandwagon supporter'.

[Big Phil]

Is Nason injured?

And I was shot down for suggesting he wouldnt make their best 21, seems he cant even make their worst 21...

He is coming off a limited pre-season due to injury so will need some time to gain match fitness...

Why was he named in the extended squad then?

Because obviously he was being considered to play League but in the end, the selection panel felt he needed a run in the 2's instead.

[Dogwatcher]

Yes Central had a lot of players out but everyone conveniently forgets we had only 8 of the starting 21 from the 2010 GF play last night, a huge turn around for any club in a 2 year period.

Conveniently? Don't think so, don't think it's a factor.

[Dogwatcher]

Firstly, well done Norwood.
But...you should have absolutely killed us. Dominated all night and looked more fierce at the ball and player and only came away with a 20 point win.
I thought you were going to kill us, so in some respects that was a positive for us from the game.
If you can play like that and put it all together though, you're going to have an enjoyable season and delight your fans.

From our perspective, one game won't tell us a story yet.
But there were a few things I was concerned with last night.
Our lack of accountability when Norwood spread from defence. A number of times we were undermanned as the Legs headed forward, blokes just trotted back slowly hoping it would be turned over.
The number of uncontested marks in Norwood's forward lines were a resultant concern.
Thank goodness they didn't kick straight.
Also, there's been talk about Westhoff and our possible reliance on him from some posters. I believe he's capable but our delivery forward needs to be a lot more helpful to him if he's to do the job.
There was too much kick and hope, or just a plain lack of confidence from team-mates which saw slow forward delivery.
Symptomatic of that feeling was the moment in the eight minute mark of the third quarter when Thommo took a captain's mark, one on two, 40 metres out in the Aquadome pocket. It was a chance for a captain's goal but he passed off to Sansbury in an even tighter position in the same pocket. Sansbury, looking for a better option, passed inwards but by then Norwood had enough numbers to clear the ball out and run away with it. It looked terrible.
Minutes later Gowser marked and goaled from about the spot where Thommo had originally marked.
I thought it was great we were still in the game enough to still be in it until half way into the final quarter but realistically it was never going to happen - we didn't have the run.
It can only improve from there for us.

And...I'm sure there were idiot supporters from both sides but to the Fool on the Hill (eastern side, near scoreboard) wearing the Norwood dress shirt, slacks and tie, just because you dress a little more formally than most supporters at the footy, doesn't make you any less of an idiot. When you poke a stick at a Bulldog, you'll get a bark back. You're just lucky you didn't find out about any bite those supporters might have. Thankfully wiser heads prevailed from both groups of supporters.

[udogs01]

Yes Central had a lot of players out but everyone conveniently forgets we had only 8 of the starting 21 from the 2010 GF play last night, a huge turn around for any club in a 2 year period.

On a side note I immensely enjoyed the banter and sledging, pity some can give it but not take it, in particular a couple of Norwood "supporters" who really were just embarrassing. Mind you their Central "counterparts" weren't much better!!

Now for the Wiggles!!

Every club has them fester.

[topsywaldron]

wearing the Norwood dress shirt, slacks and tie, just because you dress a little more formally than most supporters at the footy, doesn't make you any less of an idiot.

So you're telling me that me wearing top hat and tails to the footy doesn't give me free rein to carry on? Crikey.

Here we are before the game last night.



Good write up BTW.

[udogs01]

Firstly, well done Norwood.
But...you should have absolutely killed us. Dominated all night and looked more fierce at the ball and player and only came away with a 20 point win.
I thought you were going to kill us, so in some respects that was a positive for us from the game.
If you can play like that and put it all together though, you're going to have an enjoyable season and delight your fans.

From our perspective, one game won't tell us a story yet.
But there were a few things I was concerned with last night.
Our lack of accountability when Norwood spread from defence. A number of times we were undermanned as the Legs headed forward, blokes just trotted back slowly hoping it would be turned over.
The number of uncontested marks in Norwood's forward lines were a resultant concern.
Thank goodness they didn't kick straight.
Also, there's been talk about Westhoff and our possible reliance on him from some posters. I believe he's capable but our delivery forward needs to be a lot more helpful to him if he's to do the job.
There was too much kick and hope, or just a plain lack of confidence from team-mates which saw slow forward delivery.
Symptomatic of that feeling was the moment in the eight minute mark of the third quarter when Thommo took a captain's mark, one on two, 40 metres out in the Aquadome pocket. It was a chance for a captain's goal but he passed off to Sansbury in an even tighter position in the same pocket. Sansbury, looking for a better option, passed inwards but by then Norwood had enough numbers to clear the ball out and run away with it. It looked terrible.
Minutes later Gowser marked and goaled from about the spot where Thommo had originally marked.
I thought it was great we were still in the game enough to still be in it until half way into the final quarter but realistically it was never going to happen - we didn't have the run.
It can only improve from there for us.

And...I'm sure there were idiot supporters from both sides but to the Fool on the Hill (eastern side, near scoreboard) wearing the Norwood dress shirt, slacks and tie, just because you dress a little more formally than most supporters at the footy, doesn't make you any less of an idiot. When you poke a stick at a Bulldog, you'll get a bark back. You're just lucky you didn't find out about any bite those supporters might have.

Absolutely well said

See contrary to popular belief we do have some very intelligent Dogs supporters

[RB]

One and counting

[sjt]

Apparantly the local Mitre 10 had a BBQ this afternoon which on top of all the big ticket events out there also detracted from the crowd. . Too much choice you folk out there. No idea of the crowd numbers but not good I tip by the excuses .

Well done Norwood but as mentioned some quality out for Centrals . They do seem to get injuries at the right time .

Was the crowd at the game between old foes, port and sturt, acceptable HP? It was a beautiful day, enormous rivalry, port off a great win etc.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Take the win, YES

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Consistently scoring less than 10 goals recently against the competitions trendsetter is a matter of concern

Totally agree Mal. It's too easy being satisfied by our first win at the Ponderosa sice 2003, but I'm far from convinced our style of play can win a flag. The concept of kicking less than 10 goals and keeping your opponent to a lower score went out with the Sydney Swans in 2005. I believe we need to attack more ... but that's just me.

[Dogwatcher]

Yes Central had a lot of players out but everyone conveniently forgets we had only 8 of the starting 21 from the 2010 GF play last night, a huge turn around for any club in a 2 year period.

Having also seen a comment on this in today's Sunday Mail report, it had me curious how many of our players last night played in the 2010 match.
To my reckoning, nine players featured in both matches.