Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2011-12

[Senor Moto Gadili]

Tending to agree with Trader on Option 2....purely on the basis that it is optional for Clubs to enter the T20 and 40 Over Comps. Market forces will prevail - those Clubs that want to play a lot of cricket can nominate for both T20 and 40 Over Comps and those that want to play less don't have to play in either. It will be interesting to see where Clubs go with this.

[bulldogs]

Tending to agree with Trader on Option 2....purely on the basis that it is optional for Clubs to enter the T20 and 40 Over Comps. Market forces will prevail - those Clubs that want to play a lot of cricket can nominate for both T20 and 40 Over Comps and those that want to play less don't have to play in either. It will be interesting to see where Clubs go with this.

or keep it the same.

[beeroclock]

Tending to agree with Trader on Option 2....purely on the basis that it is optional for Clubs to enter the T20 and 40 Over Comps. Market forces will prevail - those Clubs that want to play a lot of cricket can nominate for both T20 and 40 Over Comps and those that want to play less don't have to play in either. It will be interesting to see where Clubs go with this.

or keep it the same.

Youve retired so dont stress about it buddy.

[Muffler]

another example not involving TTG, a bloke who batted 10ish for Adelaide in the C and a few B grade games (wicket keeper) comes back to his home ATCA club at A2 level and bats in the top 5?

I know who you are referring to here also and his older brother never played higher than D Grade at Adelaide yet is a walk up A Grader at this particular club

Modbury came last without making over 150-200 all year not hard to bat in that top 5. They would have finished in the lower half of A3 with the team they have so there is nothing to compare that club with to your arguments.

[Muffler]

FWIW would love it if it did go to option 2. As the one dayers would be played on the Sundays if it's rained out Saturdays at least we get a game in over the first part of the season.

[tigerpie]

Very interesting to hear points of view on grade cricket v atca. Having witnessed 3 A1 clubs first hand this year, in my opinion these 3 would have ALL b grade sides covered.

Many blokes come into the atca comp as the committment isnt so full on and there is no Sunday games, so they can spend time with their families. I wouldnt like to see Sunday games back in the program for this reason.
I think some grade clubs pigeon hole some of their players as solely B graders or C graders and these guys are given no opportunities at A grade level regardless of their numbers because they dont meet certain criteria (fitness, play across the line, bowl too many short ones etc.) Their coaching tries to change their natural game to the detriment of the individual. They get browned off with that and come to atca and dominate.

[Yardy Lard]

Very interesting to hear points of view on grade cricket v atca. Having witnessed 3 A1 clubs first hand this year, in my opinion these 3 would have ALL b grade sides covered.

Many blokes come into the atca comp as the committment isnt so full on and there is no Sunday games, so they can spend time with their families. I wouldnt like to see Sunday games back in the program for this reason.
I think some grade clubs pigeon hole some of their players as solely B graders or C graders and these guys are given no opportunities at A grade level regardless of their numbers because they dont meet certain criteria (fitness, play across the line, bowl too many short ones etc.) Their coaching tries to change their natural game to the detriment of the individual. They get browned off with that and come to atca and dominate.

Very true Tiger. Some Grade clubs and players, also believe their own crap and think they are much better players than they really are. I am in no doubt what so ever, that half of the A1 clubs, a handful of A2 clubs and at least 2 of the A3 clubs, that i saw this season just completed, would account for more than half of the B Grade SACA teams. Too many guys playing Grade cricket, or are associated with Grade clubs "think" only with a Grade cricket mentality that they are much better than everyone else, and unfortunately, do not in any way understand the quality of ATCA cricket. It has gotten closer and closer over the years, to the point of some aspects of club and cricket life being equal or better. Certainly Grade cricket outside of A Grade, is nothing too get all that excited about, with many players in B Grade being only very average players themselves. Those in Grade clubs with the rosy glasses on however, still believe opposite, which is their perogative to live in fantasy land. Many current B Graders, would struggle to get a B Grade game 15 years ago and the standard of C and D Grade in most clubs is bloody appalling, with guys who struggle to bat, bowl and field. Really, they should not even be at a Grade club, which is supposedly the elite club in their area.

[Yardy Lard]

Big loss to the Port District Cricket Club, with Graham Cooper taking over as coach of the Old Ignatians CC. Will be remembered for his last innings at the club of 104 and the swag of wickets with his offies that never turned, runs, centuries and double centuries over the years. Huge loss to the club and Matty Morris will be looking for a replacement of high quality to make lots of runs and take plenty of wickets.

[Browny25]

Big loss to the Port District Cricket Club, with Graham Cooper taking over as coach of the Old Ignatians CC. Will be remembered for his last innings at the club of 104 and the swag of wickets with his offies that never turned, runs, centuries and double centuries over the years. Huge loss to the club and Matty Morris will be looking for a replacement of high quality to make lots of runs and take plenty of wickets.

Any of the port boys follow him there?

[Yardy Lard]

Big loss to the Port District Cricket Club, with Graham Cooper taking over as coach of the Old Ignatians CC. Will be remembered for his last innings at the club of 104 and the swag of wickets with his offies that never turned, runs, centuries and double centuries over the years. Huge loss to the club and Matty Morris will be looking for a replacement of high quality to make lots of runs and take plenty of wickets.

Any of the port boys follow him there?

Not at this stage. Matty has just been re-appointed and would be hoping to keep everyone and add to the list, is my guess. Good player and coach for a Pommy lol.

[interested observer]

Big loss to the Port District Cricket Club, with Graham Cooper taking over as coach of the Old Ignatians CC. Will be remembered for his last innings at the club of 104 and the swag of wickets with his offies that never turned, runs, centuries and double centuries over the years. Huge loss to the club and Matty Morris will be looking for a replacement of high quality to make lots of runs and take plenty of wickets.

Any of the port boys follow him there?

Not at this stage. Matty has just been re-appointed and would be hoping to keep everyone and add to the list, is my guess. Good player and coach for a Pommy lol.

What is Coops connection at Iggies..??
Seems a long way from home ...?

[Muffler]

Big loss to the Port District Cricket Club, with Graham Cooper taking over as coach of the Old Ignatians CC. Will be remembered for his last innings at the club of 104 and the swag of wickets with his offies that never turned, runs, centuries and double centuries over the years. Huge loss to the club and Matty Morris will be looking for a replacement of high quality to make lots of runs and take plenty of wickets.

Any of the port boys follow him there?

Not at this stage. Matty has just been re-appointed and would be hoping to keep everyone and add to the list, is my guess. Good player and coach for a Pommy lol.

What is Coops connection at Iggies..??
Seems a long way from home ...?

Gone from a club with good facilities as well to a sh!thole of a place. Facilities wise that old iggies ground is one of the worst IMO!

[Browny25]

I suggest the connection is $$$$$$$$

[no_remorse28]

apparantly Iggies have chased him for a few years, all the blokes who left us to there were following, but may not now due to no facilities, that would be 5 players if they do go, 2 were regular A's, one was a sook who left to prospect D grade and his brother. the other played B3's all year

[tedbullpit]

apparantly Iggies have chased him for a few years, all the blokes who left us to there were following, but may not now due to no facilities, that would be 5 players if they do go, 2 were regular A's, one was a sook who left to prospect D grade and his brother. the other played B3's all year

Not sure what you are referring to regarding no facilities. The club has played up at the school for the past few seasons and has good change rooms, toilets, showers, shade, water and parking for clubs which would be better than most Old Scholar Clubs, certainly much better than PAC's & SHOC's facilities. The change rooms aren't directly next to the oval (probably a 50 meter walk from the main oval) but are certainly clean, neat, secure and have hot water. The ovals and decks up there are pretty good as well.

[Muffler]

apparantly Iggies have chased him for a few years, all the blokes who left us to there were following, but may not now due to no facilities, that would be 5 players if they do go, 2 were regular A's, one was a sook who left to prospect D grade and his brother. the other played B3's all year

Not sure what you are referring to regarding no facilities. The club has played up at the school for the past few seasons and has good change rooms, toilets, showers, shade, water and parking for clubs which would be better than most Old Scholar Clubs, certainly much better than PAC's & SHOC's facilities. The change rooms aren't directly next to the oval (probably a 50 meter walk from the main oval) but are certainly clean, neat, secure and have hot water. The ovals and decks up there are pretty good as well.

Changerooms and toilets as you said 50m away. Shade a big gum tree and one big shade. Parking is even further away. Whilst i agree better than some clubs especially PAC's oval the facilities are terrible!

[no_remorse28]

apparantly Iggies have chased him for a few years, all the blokes who left us to there were following, but may not now due to no facilities, that would be 5 players if they do go, 2 were regular A's, one was a sook who left to prospect D grade and his brother. the other played B3's all year

Not sure what you are referring to regarding no facilities. The club has played up at the school for the past few seasons and has good change rooms, toilets, showers, shade, water and parking for clubs which would be better than most Old Scholar Clubs, certainly much better than PAC's & SHOC's facilities. The change rooms aren't directly next to the oval (probably a 50 meter walk from the main oval) but are certainly clean, neat, secure and have hot water. The ovals and decks up there are pretty good as well.

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sorry more refering to a club facilities

[tedbullpit]

apparantly Iggies have chased him for a few years, all the blokes who left us to there were following, but may not now due to no facilities, that would be 5 players if they do go, 2 were regular A's, one was a sook who left to prospect D grade and his brother. the other played B3's all year

Not sure what you are referring to regarding no facilities. The club has played up at the school for the past few seasons and has good change rooms, toilets, showers, shade, water and parking for clubs which would be better than most Old Scholar Clubs, certainly much better than PAC's & SHOC's facilities. The change rooms aren't directly next to the oval (probably a 50 meter walk from the main oval) but are certainly clean, neat, secure and have hot water. The ovals and decks up there are pretty good as well.

sorry more refering to a club rooms

All old scholar clubs are sponsored by hotels and congregate at their respective hotel after games. Scotch might be the exception.

[no_remorse28]

apparantly Iggies have chased him for a few years, all the blokes who left us to there were following, but may not now due to no facilities, that would be 5 players if they do go, 2 were regular A's, one was a sook who left to prospect D grade and his brother. the other played B3's all year

Not sure what you are referring to regarding no facilities. The club has played up at the school for the past few seasons and has good change rooms, toilets, showers, shade, water and parking for clubs which would be better than most Old Scholar Clubs, certainly much better than PAC's & SHOC's facilities. The change rooms aren't directly next to the oval (probably a 50 meter walk from the main oval) but are certainly clean, neat, secure and have hot water. The ovals and decks up there are pretty good as well.

sorry more refering to a club rooms

All old scholar clubs are sponsored by hotels and congregate at their respective hotel after games. Scotch might be the exception.

which is exactly what they were not interested in the end, could still be going, but it seems more unlikely they will follow Coops there now

[Tony Clifton]

Very interesting to hear points of view on grade cricket v atca. Having witnessed 3 A1 clubs first hand this year, in my opinion these 3 would have ALL b grade sides covered.

Many blokes come into the atca comp as the committment isnt so full on and there is no Sunday games, so they can spend time with their families. I wouldnt like to see Sunday games back in the program for this reason.
I think some grade clubs pigeon hole some of their players as solely B graders or C graders and these guys are given no opportunities at A grade level regardless of their numbers because they dont meet certain criteria (fitness, play across the line, bowl too many short ones etc.) Their coaching tries to change their natural game to the detriment of the individual. They get browned off with that and come to atca and dominate.

Very true Tiger. Some Grade clubs and players, also believe their own crap and think they are much better players than they really are. I am in no doubt what so ever, that half of the A1 clubs, a handful of A2 clubs and at least 2 of the A3 clubs, that i saw this season just completed, would account for more than half of the B Grade SACA teams. Too many guys playing Grade cricket, or are associated with Grade clubs "think" only with a Grade cricket mentality that they are much better than everyone else, and unfortunately, do not in any way understand the quality of ATCA cricket. It has gotten closer and closer over the years, to the point of some aspects of club and cricket life being equal or better. Certainly Grade cricket outside of A Grade, is nothing too get all that excited about, with many players in B Grade being only very average players themselves. Those in Grade clubs with the rosy glasses on however, still believe opposite, which is their perogative to live in fantasy land. Many current B Graders, would struggle to get a B Grade game 15 years ago and the standard of C and D Grade in most clubs is bloody appalling, with guys who struggle to bat, bowl and field. Really, they should not even be at a Grade club, which is supposedly the elite club in their area.

Funny that ATCA clubs continue to throw dollars at these B Grade hacks every year