Australian tour of West Indies 2012

[smac]

So why give the award to the second best player?

[Johno6]

so if someone on a losing side scores 150, but someone on the winning side scores 60 and they win, it should go to the winning sides player?

[The Sleeping Giant]

Giving Brett Lee a game is respect
He still does a good enough job
He gives 4,000% every time he plays
I consider Brett at his peak as being the best ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

Wow. I reckon there might be a couple of dozen ahead of him.

[The Sleeping Giant]

so if someone on a losing side scores 150, but someone on the winning side scores 60 and they win, it should go to the winning sides player?

Good call Johno6. The award is for man of the match. WGAF anyway. Something else for people to bitch about I guess.

[Johno6]

like Bradley Hogg?!!!

[Media Park]

I consider Brett at his peak as being the best ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

This has to be one of the biggest calls I have read. Glenn McGrath says hi.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Shane Warne also.

[brod]

YOUNG fast bowler James Pattinson will make his first appearance in the Caribbean after being named in Australia's team to play the opening Twenty20 against West Indies in St Lucia.

Pattinson was named in the side for Tuesday's (0500 Weds AEDT) first T20, along with allrounder Dan Christian, in the only changes from the team which won the final one-day international by 30 runs on Sunday.

The 21-year-old quick will be making his first appearance since straining a buttock muscle in the one-day final against Sri Lanka in Adelaide earlier this month.

Christian, overlooked for the last two one-day internationals, comes back into the side with Peter Forrest sidelined.

Ben Hilfenhaus, who hasn't been named in the squad for the two T20s, is the other player to be left out.

[Rik E Boy]

Giving Brett Lee a game is respect
He still does a good enough job
He gives 4,000% every time he plays
I consider Brett at his peak as being the best ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

Wow. I reckon there might be a couple of dozen ahead of him.

Good old mally trolling again. Lee has always been an all balls no brains bowler. Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, DK Lillee all ahead of BLee for mine and that's without stetching the grey matter too far. When was Brett's peak again? That's right, when McGrath and Warne were in the side at the same time.

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

YOUNG fast bowler James Pattinson will make his first appearance in the Caribbean after being named in Australia's team to play the opening Twenty20 against West Indies in St Lucia.

Pattinson was named in the side for Tuesday's (0500 Weds AEDT) first T20, along with allrounder Dan Christian, in the only changes from the team which won the final one-day international by 30 runs on Sunday.

The 21-year-old quick will be making his first appearance since straining a buttock muscle in the one-day final against Sri Lanka in Adelaide earlier this month.

Christian, overlooked for the last two one-day internationals, comes back into the side with Peter Forrest sidelined.

Ben Hilfenhaus, who hasn't been named in the squad for the two T20s, is the other player to be left out.

FFS there we go risking our most promising young fast bowler in a bloody teeball game. Get rid of this shit and bring in tour matches.

regards,

REB

[Jim05]

1st T20
Aus 2/153(18.1)
Watson 69(43)
M.Hussey 59(45)

Windies 7/150
Pollard 54*(26)
Christian 3/27(3)
Lee 2/30(4)

[mal]

I re-iterate Brett Lee at his PEAK is perhaps the greatest ODI bowler Australia has produced

LEE
369 wickets
23.06 ave
29.18 strike rate
4.74 economoy

LILLIE
103
20.82
34.04
3.88

MCGRATH
381
22.02
34.04
3.88

WARNE
298
25.77
36.77
4.25

Brett Lee is an attacking bowler
His economy rate is higher than most of the greats
But his phenoMenAL strike rate of 29.18 is clearly ahead of the other greats listed
There4 he is perhaps the greatest ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

IF you could capture and process the PEAK performance of all of these bowlers in their careers, I would consider Brett as the most lethal and dangerous of them all
That is the basis of my original post a PEAK rating

[mal]

Giving Brett Lee a game is respect
He still does a good enough job
He gives 4,000% every time he plays
I consider Brett at his peak as being the best ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

Wow. I reckon there might be a couple of dozen ahead of him.

Wow
Name 24 better bowlers
I might concede half a dozen at best , which would be MArginaL
But 2 dozen ?

[MatteeG]

Brett Lee is an attacking bowler
His economy rate is higher than most of the greats
But his phenoMenAL strike rate of 29.18 is clearly ahead of the other greats listed
There4 he is perhaps the greatest ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

So going by this logic Mal- Lee taking 4/75 off 10 is better than say Warney taking 2/35 off 10?

Just askin...

[mal]

Brett Lee is an attacking bowler
His economy rate is higher than most of the greats
But his phenoMenAL strike rate of 29.18 is clearly ahead of the other greats listed
There4 he is perhaps the greatest ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

So going by this logic Mal- Lee taking 4/75 off 10 is better than say Warney taking 2/35 off 10?

Just askin...

The logic is
For every 10 overs the big4 bowlers bowled in a game their stats suggest :
48 LEE
38 LILLEE
38 MCGRATH
42 WARNE

So LEE is more expensive, but to offset this
LEE gets his wickets quicker than the other 3
Quite simply , he removes batsman quicker than the others
The longer a ODI batsman bats for, most times his scoring rate will increase
The logic might be by getting batters out quicker, they had less chances to improve their batting s/rates

The other factor is when I comapre Lillee with Lee [half the name and half as good ]
Lillee bowled in an era when ODI scores and S/Rates of batsman were lower
So Lillee's economy of being 10 better than Lee can be misleading
But for Lee to strike at 29.18 compared to Lillee's 34.88 is quite an effort



Whichever way you look at it
I should have posted
LEE is ""ARGUABLY"" the best ODI bowler this country has produced

[The Sleeping Giant]

Did Lillee play many against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya, Holland etc? Poor old Dennis had to bowl against competitive teams game after game.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Whichever way you look at it
I should have posted
LEE is ""ARGUABLY"" the best ODI bowler this country has produced

There is no argument. Lee is crud. End of story.

[reppoh_eht]

Brett Lee is an attacking bowler
His economy rate is higher than most of the greats
But his phenoMenAL strike rate of 29.18 is clearly ahead of the other greats listed
There4 he is perhaps the greatest ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

So going by this logic Mal- Lee taking 4/75 off 10 is better than say Warney taking 2/35 off 10?

Just askin...

The logic is
For every 10 overs the big4 bowlers bowled in a game their stats suggest :
48 LEE
38 LILLEE
38 MCGRATH
42 WARNE

So LEE is more expensive, but to offset this
LEE gets his wickets quicker than the other 3
Quite simply , he removes batsman quicker than the others
The longer a ODI batsman bats for, most times his scoring rate will increase
The logic might be by getting batters out quicker, they had less chances to improve their batting s/rates

The other factor is when I comapre Lillee with Lee [half the name and half as good ]
Lillee bowled in an era when ODI scores and S/Rates of batsman were lower
So Lillee's economy of being 10 better than Lee can be misleading
But for Lee to strike at 29.18 compared to Lillee's 34.88 is quite an effort



Whichever way you look at it
I should have posted
LEE is ""ARGUABLY"" the best ODI bowler this country has produced

Not to mention that Warney and McGrath generally bowled more in the middle overs (Warney moreso) and Lee would start with the new ball bowl his 4 or 5 overs and finish with the tailenders or batsman going for quick runs so he would always pick up a few cheap wickets here and there...

Lee was good, but Warne and McGrath had him covered easily.

[Johno6]

lee wont ever get his own statue

[Lightning McQueen]

Whichever way you look at it
I should have posted
LEE is ""ARGUABLY"" the best ODI bowler this country has produced

There is no argument. Lee is crud. End of story.