SA Churches and Community Cricket Association 2011/2012

[bara-stick]

Rose Park 4 dec 183 (Ralph 40, Reidy 51*) def Fitzroy 180 and 8/126 (S.Graham 55*, G.Riddle 3/20, J.Clarke 4/22)

The roys bowling is fairly average or did rose just bat to well? 4 wickets in a days cricket is not many.
for mine fitzroy will finish fith seaton six and finals will be rose v knights and vista v adelaide lutherans. no surprises there thats exactly what i tiped before the season started. i am truly a god among men. keep on truckin posters.

Dear bara-stick first of all i'm honored to make your top 5 on here it's been one of the highlights of my career so for this I thank you. As a very wise and knowledgeable poster on safooty can you answer me that if you’re 5th and 2 games out of the 4, would you not try EVERYTHING to get in the finals? cos once you're there, you never know what can happen.

Good morning posters looking forward to a day of great discusion and commentries. yes i agree dkl if there was even a small chance you have to take it otherwise you will be left to ruin for the season. there 2 games left being 2 games down is nearly imposible to get back in the top four. keep on truckin posters.

[DKL]

Rose Park 4 dec 183 (Ralph 40, Reidy 51*) def Fitzroy 180 and 8/126 (S.Graham 55*, G.Riddle 3/20, J.Clarke 4/22)

The roys bowling is fairly average or did rose just bat to well? 4 wickets in a days cricket is not many.
for mine fitzroy will finish fith seaton six and finals will be rose v knights and vista v adelaide lutherans. no surprises there thats exactly what i tiped before the season started. i am truly a god among men. keep on truckin posters.

Dear bara-stick first of all i'm honored to make your top 5 on here it's been one of the highlights of my career so for this I thank you. As a very wise and knowledgeable poster on safooty can you answer me that if you’re 5th and 2 games out of the 4, would you not try EVERYTHING to get in the finals? cos once you're there, you never know what can happen.

Good morning posters looking forward to a day of great discusion and commentries. yes i agree dkl if there was even a small chance you have to take it otherwise you will be left to ruin for the season. there 2 games left being 2 games down is nearly imposible to get back in the top four. keep on truckin posters.

You had me at Good

[Phantom Gossiper]

I think Fitzroy probably did the right thing. Looking over the score, I doubt they would've been able to gain many more if any points from the game had they declared (depending on the overs remaining that is).

Possibly the only thing they could've done different was declare with say 10-12 overs remaining if they had a lead of around 100 and hope that they picked up a few wickets, either way would've have picked up very many more points.

Considering everyone on here think they should've declared, please tell me what they think would've been a total the 'Roys could feel comfortable declaring on to give themselves a decent enough crack at an outright?

[DKL]

Rose Park 4 dec 183 (Ralph 40, Reidy 51*) def Fitzroy 180 and 8/126 (S.Graham 55*, G.Riddle 3/20, J.Clarke 4/22)

The roys bowling is fairly average or did rose just bat to well? 4 wickets in a days cricket is not many.
for mine fitzroy will finish fith seaton six and finals will be rose v knights and vista v adelaide lutherans. no surprises there thats exactly what i tiped before the season started. i am truly a god among men. keep on truckin posters.

and bara, Fitzroy only took 2 wickets in a day, as they took 2 the week before, so answer to your question Rose Park did bat well to only lose 2 wickets. in saying that, the roys bowling is pretty mediocre

[frontfoot]

Went down and watched this game and have no idea what in the hell Fitzroy were trying to achieve. At Tea, Rose Park had the runs in the bag, needing about 20 runs to win with 6 wickets in the shed.
Rose Parks captain, has a chat to Fitzroy's captain and says how about we give you blokes a chance for a outright and declare when we get your runs and then you set Rose Park a target.
From what i was told, Fitzroy's captain agrees and then a old broken down bowler from yesteryear gets in his ear and tells him they still have a chance on beating Rose Park for first innings points. Fitzroy bring back on there opener bowlers and get smashed over the park and Rose park win easily and declare a couple of runs ahead.
Now if i was Fitzroy and needing to get a outright to get back in the finals hunt, i would come out and set a target.
Instead they loss 8 wickets and just bat they day out. I guess finishing 5 is more important than giving yourself every chance to make the finals.
Maybe there captain needs to stand up a bit more and not get over ruled by blokes re living there glory days.
Also heard that it could of been a lot different if there square leg had of giving Graham out run out when the stumps where thrown down but the square leg was too busy checking messages on his phone to care about watching the game.
Good luck Fitzroy, i hope you do make the finals some how. You had a chance yesterday to get a step close.

Show a bit more respect to Giggs mate, he has achieved more than most.

As for the declaration, i wanted to declare with 11 minutes left (remembering its a ten minute changeover) but Rooster wouldnt have it. Definetly thought if we bowled no-balls and got some run outs we could easily get the ten wickets in an over.

So you admit Giggs got in the ear of young 'Harry' to not go for the outright?

Was Smasha right? Are there too many captains at Fitzroy?

[Phantom Gossiper]

Also I would've write off Fitzroy just yet, still within striking distance of NEK & Adel Luth given that they lost on the weekend, and with a more favorable finish to the season, there lies an opportunity to possibly do enough to sneak in.

If I was Fitzroy I would approach this weeks clash with NEK as do or die, focus needs to be solely on 1st innings points and not worry about anything more, then depending on results go into the last round of the season against Seaton and throw caution into the wind by bowling 1st and working out the maths on how many points they require to squeeze in.

[dark & stormy]

[quote="Phantom Gossiper"]Also I would've write off Fitzroy just yet, still within striking distance of NEK & Adel Luth given that they lost on the weekend, and with a more favorable finish to the season, there lies an opportunity to possibly do enough to sneak in.

If I was Fitzroy I would approach this weeks clash with NEK as do or die, focus needs to be solely on 1st innings points and not worry about anything more, then depending on results go into the last round of the season against Seaton and throw caution into the wind by bowling 1st and working out the maths on how many points they require to squeeze in.[/quote]


think you have been informed incorrectly phantom.......nek won first innings, seaton all out 93, nek all out 212 i think.
seaton batted again and to their credit stuck it out and gave us four overs to get 94....
we made 68 off 4 overs (millsy 41 off 12 balls)
so to me that would mean we won ?

[Phantom Gossiper]

think you have been informed incorrectly phantom.......nek won first innings, seaton all out 93, nek all out 212 i think.
seaton batted again and to their credit stuck it out and gave us four overs to get 94....
we made 68 off 4 overs (millsy 41 off 12 balls)
so to me that would mean we won ?

Ah sorry mate, the Sunday mail had Seaton 213 d NEK 212 I think it was. Apologies.

Well that gives you some breathing space, would mean that Fitzroy would have to win their last 2 games or win 1 by plenty and Adel Luth lose both their remaining games.

[dark & stormy]

think you have been informed incorrectly phantom.......nek won first innings, seaton all out 93, nek all out 212 i think.
seaton batted again and to their credit stuck it out and gave us four overs to get 94....
we made 68 off 4 overs (millsy 41 off 12 balls)
so to me that would mean we won ?

Ah sorry mate, the Sunday mail had Seaton 213 d NEK 212 I think it was. Apologies.

Well that gives you some breathing space, would mean that Fitzroy would have to win their last 2 games or win 1 by plenty and Adel Luth lose both their remaining games.

all good mate..
we just need to win 1 of our remaining 2 to keep our finals alive.....who would have thought that you only need to win 2 or 3 games to make finals....bahahahahaha....yep we have a good comp

[DKL]

Considering everyone on here think they should've declared, please tell me what they think would've been a total the 'Roys could feel comfortable declaring on to give themselves a decent enough crack at an outright?

You've missed the point. Their season is hanging by a thread and a frayed one at that, i don't think it was about being comfortable with a target. If Rose Park chased down the runs it would have made no difference to them, they are not competing with Rose Park for a spot. If Rose Park were swinging at a target they should have expected to get more points from wickets plus the (albeit unlikely) chance of outright.

[Phantom Gossiper]

all good mate..
we just need to win 1 of our remaining 2 to keep our finals alive.....who would have thought that you only need to win 2 or 3 games to make finals....bahahahahaha....yep we have a good comp

Not that suprising given that its a 6 team division, and generally in a season one team struggles for wins and one team dominates which leaves 4 teams vying for 3 spots. Bit easier than our comp, we dropped only our 2nd game for the season on the weekend now barely hold onto 2nd place and 4th place isnt that far behind them with 4 games remaining

[Phantom Gossiper]

Considering everyone on here think they should've declared, please tell me what they think would've been a total the 'Roys could feel comfortable declaring on to give themselves a decent enough crack at an outright?

You've missed the point. Their season is hanging by a thread and a frayed one at that, i don't think it was about being comfortable with a target. If Rose Park chased down the runs it would have made no difference to them, they are not competing with Rose Park for a spot. If Rose Park were swinging at a target they should have expected to get more points from wickets plus the (albeit unlikely) chance of outright.

No I think its perhaps you missing the point.
It's not about competing with RP for the spot, its not about losing outright, its about them giving themselves the best opportunity to secure as many points as possible and not just setting a sporting declaration on a faint hope of gaining more points or snagging a miracle outright.

Not to mention this is a side who only managed to take 4 wickets for the RP innings.

Given it was around the tea break that the declaration came, that would leave what about 35 overs for the day? So they bat for 20 overs to set a decent target, probably score around the 100 mark and leave RP 15 overs to score 100 runs at a tick over 6 an over, not exactly a tough chase and definately not one that requires large amount of risk early in the innings.

[bara-stick]

think you have been informed incorrectly phantom.......nek won first innings, seaton all out 93, nek all out 212 i think.
seaton batted again and to their credit stuck it out and gave us four overs to get 94....
we made 68 off 4 overs (millsy 41 off 12 balls)
so to me that would mean we won ?

Ah sorry mate, the Sunday mail had Seaton 213 d NEK 212 I think it was. Apologies.

Well that gives you some breathing space, would mean that Fitzroy would have to win their last 2 games or win 1 by plenty and Adel Luth lose both their remaining games.

all good mate..
we just need to win 1 of our remaining 2 to keep our finals alive.....who would have thought that you only need to win 2 or 3 games to make finals....bahahahahaha....yep we have a good comp

Hi smasha. did you open the bat the second innings.

[Lightning McQueen]

all good mate..
we just need to win 1 of our remaining 2 to keep our finals alive.....who would have thought that you only need to win 2 or 3 games to make finals....bahahahahaha....yep we have a good comp

Not that suprising given that its a 6 team division, and generally in a season one team struggles for wins and one team dominates which leaves 4 teams vying for 3 spots. Bit easier than our comp, we dropped only our 2nd game for the season on the weekend now barely hold onto 2nd place and 4th place isnt that far behind them with 4 games remaining

And 7th is still in with a big sniff aswell.

[DKL]

I guess I have to spell it out for you Phantom. Of course they wouldn't leave a chase at 6 runs per over. In the scenario you posted they would declare leaving 10-12 overs and a run rate of 8-10 per over.

Once again, the outright was unlikely for Fitzroy but they were more likely to get points from wickets than they were from runs, unless the Rose Park captain continued to bowl his pies that is! In addition, putting Rose Park back in gave them the (once again unlikely) chance of an outright. Bowling again was the only chance they had of attaining that result however unlikely. If it were me I would have taken that chance.

[dark & stormy]

think you have been informed incorrectly phantom.......nek won first innings, seaton all out 93, nek all out 212 i think.
seaton batted again and to their credit stuck it out and gave us four overs to get 94....
we made 68 off 4 overs (millsy 41 off 12 balls)
so to me that would mean we won ?

Ah sorry mate, the Sunday mail had Seaton 213 d NEK 212 I think it was. Apologies.

Well that gives you some breathing space, would mean that Fitzroy would have to win their last 2 games or win 1 by plenty and Adel Luth lose both their remaining games.

all good mate..
we just need to win 1 of our remaining 2 to keep our finals alive.....who would have thought that you only need to win 2 or 3 games to make finals....bahahahahaha....yep we have a good comp

Hi smasha. did you open the bat the second innings.

nah mate, I hurt my back and could barely bloody walk .. millsy 41 off 12 and pistol 27 off not many either....

[Phantom Gossiper]

I guess I have to spell it out for you Phantom. Of course they wouldn't leave a chase at 6 runs per over. In the scenario you posted they would declare leaving 10-12 overs and a run rate of 8-10 per over.

Once again, the outright was unlikely for Fitzroy but they were more likely to get points from wickets than they were from runs, unless the Rose Park captain continued to bowl his pies that is! In addition, putting Rose Park back in gave them the (once again unlikely) chance of an outright. Bowling again was the only chance they had of attaining that result however unlikely. If it were me I would have taken that chance.

Meh who really cares anyway, i was just trying to create some conversation instead of just talking about how wonderful O'Gorman is
Im not going to lose any sleep over it.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Your comp needs to be re-structured. I think its rubbish you only play 10 games and most of those games are played before xmas! Then you drag out your season by making your finals last a month..

I think you should have a T20 fixture in your comp, then your games would increase to 15, and get to play a lot more cricket and create more opportunites to secure wins to play finals etc.

[DKL]

That makes two of us Phantom.

Rob O is amazing, I can't believe he didn't get a bowl on the weekend. (You shouldn't encourage me!)

[bara-stick]

I guess I have to spell it out for you Phantom. Of course they wouldn't leave a chase at 6 runs per over. In the scenario you posted they would declare leaving 10-12 overs and a run rate of 8-10 per over.

Once again, the outright was unlikely for Fitzroy but they were more likely to get points from wickets than they were from runs, unless the Rose Park captain continued to bowl his pies that is! In addition, putting Rose Park back in gave them the (once again unlikely) chance of an outright. Bowling again was the only chance they had of attaining that result however unlikely. If it were me I would have taken that chance.

exactly right