BIG Bash Not including Adelaide Strikers games 2011-2012

[Johno6]

what annoys me is the last 2 games that got the D/L i lose money on and this game i wish rained out didnt and i lost money.

never betting on t20 again

[Booney]

what annoys me is the last 2 games that got the D/L i lose money on and this game i wish rained out didnt and i lost money.

never betting on t20 again

How could anyone bet on T20 at all?

[mal]

HH V MS v DL
The irony of HH V MS was that after 5 overs TA would have won CLEARLY on the DUCK/LEW system and still lost the match
At the 5 over mark on Betfair, MS were about $1-40 to win the match
Just another case of how the punters figured out the favorite and the ultimate winner ,but D/L didnt

at the 5 over mark ms were well infront of the duckworth lewis as the target score for being 1 wicket down was 51, (hh were on 35) hh went infront in the 6th over when birt hit 28 off the over, and at which point the odds evened up significantly

you need to let your fascination with d/l go as the formulas are created based on, and updated on real games not the biased views that humans have

Ok I was about an over out, it happened so quick
But you get the drift dont you ?

The fascination is , as I have stated is
What Wright has a system have to predict a winner ?

Why is there a need to contrive a result thru a statistical connotation

DL may rightly find a probable winner based on its systematical facts most times, but it aint and will never be fullproof

Imagine the hullabaloo if a Test match was washed out at Lunch on day 2, and D/L had to produce a winner


OTHER SPORTS
How many sports that are uncompleted , can a team or individual be deemed a winner, when nature has taken its course ?


PS
Mayz , I do understand your point of view, D/L is a good enough way to determine a winner based on whatever
But I really hate it when D/L picks a winner when the result is 50/50[or up to about 30/70] either team winning
It works ok as a process when 1 team is annihilating the other though

[mal]

what annoys me is the last 2 games that got the D/L i lose money on and this game i wish rained out didnt and i lost money.

never betting on t20 again

Yep
Understand your frustration
Suggest you read the weather forecasts and bet on games where nature is not a factor
But dont forget, sometimes you will benefit form D/L resulted games
It should even out in the long run

[jackpot jim]

a loss tonight will make it really hard to make it, with the last game Against an inform stars team. But win tonight and Perth lose or Hobart lose their last two genes and SA could possibly still hold a home semi. At least they know what they will need playing the last game of the comp

Didn't realise that SA had a team in this comp ?

[Dogmatic]

OTHER SPORTS
How many sports that are uncompleted , can a team or individual be deemed a winner, when nature has taken its course ?

Golf

[Ecky]

Ok I was about an over out, it happened so quick
But you get the drift dont you ?

The fascination is , as I have stated is
What Wright has a system have to predict a winner ?

Why is there a need to contrive a result thru a statistical connotation

DL may rightly find a probable winner based on its systematical facts most times, but it aint and will never be fullproof

Imagine the hullabaloo if a Test match was washed out at Lunch on day 2, and D/L had to produce a winner


OTHER SPORTS
How many sports that are uncompleted , can a team or individual be deemed a winner, when nature has taken its course ?


PS
Mayz , I do understand your point of view, D/L is a good enough way to determine a winner based on whatever
But I really hate it when D/L picks a winner when the result is 50/50[or up to about 30/70] either team winning
It works ok as a process when 1 team is annihilating the other though

I understand your point, Mal.

Duckworth-Lewis is an excellent system for 50 over games when the majority of the match is played and a small adjustment is needed.
However, I have never been in favour of using it (or any other rain-adjustment method) for 20/20 games for the reasons you have mentioned above - the games are short enough already so shortening them any further just turns things into a lottery. If the game can't be completed, then neither team should be awarded the win.

[MAY-Z]

Ok I was about an over out, it happened so quick
But you get the drift dont you ?

The fascination is , as I have stated is
What Wright has a system have to predict a winner ?

Why is there a need to contrive a result thru a statistical connotation

DL may rightly find a probable winner based on its systematical facts most times, but it aint and will never be fullproof

Imagine the hullabaloo if a Test match was washed out at Lunch on day 2, and D/L had to produce a winner


OTHER SPORTS
How many sports that are uncompleted , can a team or individual be deemed a winner, when nature has taken its course ?


PS
Mayz , I do understand your point of view, D/L is a good enough way to determine a winner based on whatever
But I really hate it when D/L picks a winner when the result is 50/50[or up to about 30/70] either team winning
It works ok as a process when 1 team is annihilating the other though

I understand your point, Mal.

Duckworth-Lewis is an excellent system for 50 over games when the majority of the match is played and a small adjustment is needed.
However, I have never been in favour of using it (or any other rain-adjustment method) for 20/20 games for the reasons you have mentioned above - the games are short enough already so shortening them any further just turns things into a lottery. If the game can't be completed, then neither team should be awarded the win.

i agree its not as good for t20 but what do you do? if the game has rain for 20 mins you send all the people home and say sorry its a draw? that will infuriate and disillision far more people that using a good mathematical formula

[Dutchy]

Why not complete the game the next day? could even happen the next morning.

[mal]

Ok I was about an over out, it happened so quick
But you get the drift dont you ?

The fascination is , as I have stated is
What Wright has a system have to predict a winner ?

Why is there a need to contrive a result thru a statistical connotation

DL may rightly find a probable winner based on its systematical facts most times, but it aint and will never be fullproof

Imagine the hullabaloo if a Test match was washed out at Lunch on day 2, and D/L had to produce a winner


OTHER SPORTS
How many sports that are uncompleted , can a team or individual be deemed a winner, when nature has taken its course ?


PS
Mayz , I do understand your point of view, D/L is a good enough way to determine a winner based on whatever
But I really hate it when D/L picks a winner when the result is 50/50[or up to about 30/70] either team winning
It works ok as a process when 1 team is annihilating the other though

I understand your point, Mal.

Duckworth-Lewis is an excellent system for 50 over games when the majority of the match is played and a small adjustment is needed.
However, I have never been in favour of using it (or any other rain-adjustment method) for 20/20 games for the reasons you have mentioned above - the games are short enough already so shortening them any further just turns things into a lottery. If the game can't be completed, then neither team should be awarded the win.

i agree its not as good for t20 but what do you do? if the game has rain for 20 mins you send all the people home and say sorry its a draw? that will infuriate and disillision far more people that using a good mathematical formula

Cant argue with that point Mayz, well thought out, the crowd deserves an ending
Perhaps some common ground
Keep the game going in the hopes they play 15 overs perhaps?
The crowd still gets involved that way

Perhaps in a 5 over formulated game
IF the formula is
Side batting 2nd needs to be 1/50 off 5 overs
Make it conclusive
Batting team must be 1/80
Bowling side must have them 4/20
B4 a result is contrived
Both scenarios are almost improbable of occurring
BUT
That would make those teams about a 80% + probability chance of winning being announced the winner


Point being when a side that needs to be 1/50 [5]
The batting side is short at 1/49 or over at 1/51
Then this game is almost an even money game
Why should one team be almost gifted a win under these circumstances

[Ecky]

The issue is similar to whether penalty shootouts should be used to decide soccer matches.
Is it better to decide a winner by (almost) a lottery, or call the match a draw? Good arguments can be made both ways.

I think that in minor round games it doesn't matter as much either way, but for finals, there should be extra days set aside and games should be finished off whenever possible.

[Hondo]

Duckworth-Lewis is an excellent system for 50 over games when the majority of the match is played and a small adjustment is needed.

However they use it right down to games that have only run 15 overs as I understand.

So as a % of 50 (30% of the overs) isn't it a similar "contrivance" to when you use it for 5 overs out of 20?

Given the T20 tournaments have so many games I don't have an issue if 1 or 2 games are decided with the D-L system. Teams know they have to start fast on rain affected days to work with the D-L system.

It's a whole lot better than the old run rate system or the one they used in the 1992 World Cup that created that fiasco in the semi-final. As soon as you open the seal on the statistical approach to finding a winner to me it's just degrees of probabilty from when they lose 1 over down to the full 15. At one over lost the D-L is still a guess. Even with the ideas that Mal suggested you are still finding a result when there wasn't one so it will be open to the same criticism.

[Hondo]

I think that in minor round games it doesn't matter as much either way, but for finals, there should be extra days set aside and games should be finished off whenever possible.

I agree with this with the rider than it may not be feasible to leave an extra day open for all finals so practicalities may force it only being an option for the grand final. This is similar to the AFL finals system with extra time during all finals except the grand final which you replay. I even think extra time in footy can be a lottery. Not as much of a lottery as a penalty shootout in soccer but depending on injuries it increases the luck factor. But what else can you do if the schedule doesn't allow you time to replay these games?

All sports have to balance up the purist goal of getting the perfect result with the logistical and financial constraints they face.

[redandblack]

No system can be perfect in picking a winner, but the DL is streets ahead of any other method I know.

It's only used in shortened over matches and if there's rain about, both sides know exactly what the par score is and have the ability to do something about it if they can.

mal, it's not used in Tests and never will be, only in games where (dare I say it) the result isn't so important. It's also easy to put up scenarios where the DL appears wrong, but it's just as easy to put up scenarios where a draw would be unjust.

eg: Side 1, 20 overs, 3/195. Side 2, rained out after 18 overs at 9/110.

DL method, Side 1 wins, non-DL, a draw.

As I said, under DL, each side knows the target at all times.

I agree, however, that 5 overs is a bit ridiculous.

[mal]

No system can be perfect in picking a winner, but the DL is streets ahead of any other method I know.

It's only used in shortened over matches and if there's rain about, both sides know exactly what the par score is and have the ability to do something about it if they can.

mal, it's not used in Tests and never will be, only in games where (dare I say it) the result isn't so important. It's also easy to put up scenarios where the DL appears wrong, but it's just as easy to put up scenarios where a draw would be unjust.

eg: Side 1, 20 overs, 3/195. Side 2, rained out after 18 overs at 9/110.

DL method, Side 1 wins, non-DL, a draw.

As I said, under DL, each side knows the target at all times.

I agree, however, that 5 overs is a bit ridiculous.

Your example is fine for D/L

We can all agree then that
D/L is the best way to contrive results
D/L is OK when 1 side has a clear advantage
D/L is a joke when games could go either way and one team is given the game
D/L after 5 overs is a farce in 20/20 games

[redandblack]

No, 1 agree with one out of four of those.

However, I did like one of your examples where I was 52 not out

[the joker]

The way results have gone every team still has a chance of qualifying
Perth, Hobart and the Sydney sixers are all in the finals already, the top 3 won't be confirmed for the order until Sydney play Perth. But any of the other teams can finish 4th. But the melbourne stars have the best net run rate of the teams trying to finish 4th and a win for them against Adelaide and there in. But a large loss and they could go out and one of Melbourne renegades, Brisbane heat, sydney thunder or Adelaide will play finals, and a win for Adelaide will probably sneak them in to probably play Hobart in Hobart



It may be
Hobart vs Melbourne stars/ Adelaide
Sydney sixers vs Perth

[overloaded]

who gives a f***

[the joker]

Channel 9 do. They are going to buy the next rights and it will be in free to air

[Jim05]

Channel 9 do. They are going to buy the next rights and it will be in free to air

Thought they said they dont wan the rights until all the Aussie stars are available, that leaves a fairly small window of opportunity and would mean the big bash would have to be be played outside December and January