Australia v India 2nd Test - Sydney - commencing 3/1/12

[whufc]

Locky,

How could bowling exactly to the captains plans be bad bowling.

Bad captaining maybe but definatly not bad bowling exactly what the captain asked for.

[locky801]

Locky,

How could bowling exactly to the captains plans be bad bowling.

Bad captaining maybe but definatly not bad bowling exactly what the captain asked for.

Sory didnt know you had a direct line to Mr. Clarke

[Jim05]

Crap bowling in the last 8 overs by the Aussies, make them play the ball FFS

Good bowling, nothing wrong with it.

Cant get wickets if the batsman dont have to play at the ball

Lol, almost resulted in 2 wickets.

Still complaining champ?

The 2 that nearly got wickets were a fair bit closer to the stumps. Just thought they bowled a little too wide at times, just needed to be a couple of inches closer like the couple of rippers that nearly went rewarded

[the joker]

There are no better keepers than brad Haddin playing first class cricket in Australia, and don't say Matthew wade because his keeping skills are not up to haddins,

[Johno6]

give haddin the captaincy i say

[whufc]

Locky,

How could bowling exactly to the captains plans be bad bowling.

Bad captaining maybe but definatly not bad bowling exactly what the captain asked for.

Sory didnt know you had a direct line to Mr. Clarke

Well the fact they showed Clarke clapping after bowlers were bowling outside off, the fact he wasnt making changes to the field and bowlers when they werent making the batters play suggests he was pretty happy with what was happening.

Once again if that wasnt Clarkes plan well the onnous is on him to make the changes to make the bowlers bowl where he wants them to.

[whufc]

From watching on t.v it appeared the plan was to bowl well outside the off stump and tie up both the batsmen and force them to get in a real defensive mode leaving balls go etc etc. Once they had dried the runs up they started to bowl one or two balls an over closer to off stump and force the batsmen to play at a ball they normall wouldnt because the hadnt felt ball on bat for a long period.

Just my opinion!

[mal]

And still no criticism of Ponting, Clarke, Hussey or Haddin in this innings

Here you go mal, once again Haddin proves he's no good with the gloves. Who cares what he does with the bat. He cannot keep wickets to an acceptable standard and as a result of that should not be near the Test side.

Rodney
No criticism IN THIS INNINGS refers to Australis batting innings
Not even I am that stoopid to make a post like that when he is into an Australian fielding innings !

He is having a ordinary 2011-2012
B4 that he was the 2nd best batting keeper Australia has EVER had din its possession

IF he dont regain his Batting form soon, we should all agree on Matthew Wade being the gloveman by 2013

[Jim05]

We need to stop selecting keepers with the best batting ability and pick the ones with the best glove work. A specialist keepers number 1 job is to keep wickets, if he makes a few runs its a bonus. Would much prefer a keeper who averages 20 with the bat but is a great glovesman over a keeper who averages 40 but is average behind the stumps.
Haddin has always been in the average category and im not sure Wade is great with the gloves either. No doubt Wade is a good batsman but we need to find the best keeper.
Manou copped a bit of stick because he wasnt a great batsman but his glove work was the best in the country.
From what ive seen this season Nevill from NSW seems to have the best glovework IMO

[mal]

Crap bowling in the last 8 overs by the Aussies, make them play the ball FFS

Good bowling, nothing wrong with it.

Would like a few more on the stumps. They have shut shop 10 overs ago, need to get them playing at them. They will leave the wide ones all day

Im with Locky
That line is ok when they have 380 slips and 329 gullys
But Clarke had more of a ring field in place and the bowlers should have been at the pegs a bit more
That they bowled a ball close to Tendulkars stumps and almost had him bowled vindicates Lockys thoughts

[whufc]

We need to stop selecting keepers with the best batting ability and pick the ones with the best glove work. A specialist keepers number 1 job is to keep wickets, if he makes a few runs its a bonus. Would much prefer a keeper who averages 20 with the bat but is a great glovesman over a keeper who averages 40 but is average behind the stumps.
Haddin has always been in the average category and im not sure Wade is great with the gloves either. No doubt Wade is a good batsman but we need to find the best keeper.
Manou copped a bit of stick because he wasnt a great batsman but his glove work was the best in the country.
From what ive seen this season Nevill from NSW seems to have the best glovework IMO

I tend to agree but unfortunatly if you can find a keeper who can average around that 40 mark its a huge advantage especially if in that 40 runs they make they have a couple of partnerships worth a total of an extra 100 runs.

Would love to know the stats on average how many catches do keepers drop in an innings and how many byes that they should have saved (not 10ft bouncers that go over every one) in an innings.

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO A TEE

Adam Gilchrist averaged 47
Ian Healy average 27

Healy averaged exactly 20 runs less an innings than Adam Gilchrist and was a million times better keeper BUT how many on here would select Healy in their side ahead of Adam Gilchrist.

[whufc]

Crap bowling in the last 8 overs by the Aussies, make them play the ball FFS

Good bowling, nothing wrong with it.

Would like a few more on the stumps. They have shut shop 10 overs ago, need to get them playing at them. They will leave the wide ones all day

Im with Locky
That line is ok when they have 380 slips and 329 gullys
But Clarke had more of a ring field in place and the bowlers should have been at the pegs a bit more
That they bowled a ball close to Tendulkars stumps and almost had him bowled vindicates Lockys thoughts

Or the fact he hadnt had to play at a ball for so long to then bowl one at the stumps made Tendulkar play it so badly.

If Tendulkar was in form playing shot would he have played that ball so badly.

[Jim05]

We need to stop selecting keepers with the best batting ability and pick the ones with the best glove work. A specialist keepers number 1 job is to keep wickets, if he makes a few runs its a bonus. Would much prefer a keeper who averages 20 with the bat but is a great glovesman over a keeper who averages 40 but is average behind the stumps.
Haddin has always been in the average category and im not sure Wade is great with the gloves either. No doubt Wade is a good batsman but we need to find the best keeper.
Manou copped a bit of stick because he wasnt a great batsman but his glove work was the best in the country.
From what ive seen this season Nevill from NSW seems to have the best glovework IMO

I tend to agree but unfortunatly if you can find a keeper who can average around that 40 mark its a huge advantage especially if in that 40 runs they make they have a couple of partnerships worth a total of an extra 100 runs.

Would love to know the stats on average how many catches do keepers drop in an innings and how many byes that they should have saved (not 10ft bouncers that go over every one) in an innings.

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO A TEE

Adam Gilchrist averaged 47
Ian Healy average 27

Healy averaged exactly 20 runs less an innings than Adam Gilchrist and was a million times better keeper BUT how many on here would select Healy in their side ahead of Adam Gilchrist.

Yeah you are correct everyone would pick Gilly.
Not sure how many runs more a decent keeper would save but its the dropped catches that hurt. Haddin has put a few down this summer already. That one today was a dead set sitter.

[Brucetiki]

ABC's coverage in the last half hour of play was terrible. Dropped in and out at first, then a bushfire warning (that's fair enough) followed by a 10 minute interview with the bushfire press release preparer, back for a couple of balls, then dead air and elevator music while the ABC fix the link, then back for the final 3 balls

[whufc]

We need to stop selecting keepers with the best batting ability and pick the ones with the best glove work. A specialist keepers number 1 job is to keep wickets, if he makes a few runs its a bonus. Would much prefer a keeper who averages 20 with the bat but is a great glovesman over a keeper who averages 40 but is average behind the stumps.
Haddin has always been in the average category and im not sure Wade is great with the gloves either. No doubt Wade is a good batsman but we need to find the best keeper.
Manou copped a bit of stick because he wasnt a great batsman but his glove work was the best in the country.
From what ive seen this season Nevill from NSW seems to have the best glovework IMO

I tend to agree but unfortunatly if you can find a keeper who can average around that 40 mark its a huge advantage especially if in that 40 runs they make they have a couple of partnerships worth a total of an extra 100 runs.

Would love to know the stats on average how many catches do keepers drop in an innings and how many byes that they should have saved (not 10ft bouncers that go over every one) in an innings.

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO A TEE

Adam Gilchrist averaged 47
Ian Healy average 27

Healy averaged exactly 20 runs less an innings than Adam Gilchrist and was a million times better keeper BUT how many on here would select Healy in their side ahead of Adam Gilchrist.

Yeah you are correct everyone would pick Gilly.
Not sure how many runs more a decent keeper would save but its the dropped catches that hurt. Haddin has put a few down this summer already. That one today was a dead set sitter.

Have had this discussion so many times with my keeper only mate (he cant bat to save his life but is a very good keeper)

I think your looking at the better keeper being within 10 runs an innings on average of the batting keeper to make it worth while.

Classic example being

Healy averaging 27 in his career
Haddin averaging 35 in his career

Most if not all would probably pick Healy in their side first.

[mal]

Theres about 1000-1100 balls left in this test
Theres approximately 180 balls to be bowled in the first session tomorrow
If I was an Indian batsman , I would enjoy about 60 balls being bowled in that leave the ball corridor
Then they only have to play at 120 balls for the session
Im sorry WHUFC I can agree to
Centrals being better than Norwood
Eastern Park being better than North Pines
But Im still with Locky on this one

[whufc]

Theres about 1000-1100 balls left in this test
Theres approximately 180 balls to be bowled in the first session tomorrow
If I was an Indian batsman , I would enjoy about 60 balls being bowled in that leave the ball corridor
Then they only have to play at 120 balls for the session
Im sorry WHUFC I can agree to
Centrals being better than Norwood
Eastern Park being better than North Pines
But Im still with Locky on this one

but is it bad bowling if the captain has told the bowlers to bowl in a certain way and they have followed the instructions to the tee, then that is bad captaining not bad bowling.

if that wasnt Clarkes plan and they werent bowling where they were asked to bowl then once again its bad captaining as Clarke let it go on far to long without changing the bowlers or fielders to get the bowlers to bowl where he and the team planned/wanted.

[Squids]

Was Haddins drop a sitter?

I have a feeling if he took it we would be praising the bowling.

[whufc]

Was Haddins drop a sitter?

I have a feeling if he took it we would be praising the bowling.

Was going pretty quick but doesnt come much easier for international wicketkeepers.

[Media Park]

Australia's keepers- Not batsmen, but pure wicket keepers, in order of their keeping skill:

Hartley
Paine (injured)
Wade
Crosthwaite
Haddin
Ronchi