Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby brod » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:21 am

Sound's a little familiar ;)

Martin Crowe, the former New Zealand captain, has said New Zealand Cricket needs to prioritise Tests by changing the schedule of first-class matches in the country. New Zealand play their next Test in late January and the next fixture in the Plunket Shield, the country's first-class competition, is not until February 17. In the interim there is a spate of limited-overs matches, geared to draw crowds during the holiday season.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:38 am

T20 could easily take place in late Feb/March as the weather is still more than adequate for cricket in these months, even if it means bringing the shield final forward a bit.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Gozu » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:55 pm

Supposedly the BBL has been getting outstanding ratings on Foxtel.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby mal » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:13 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Teeball is the big blunder. You can't polish a turd. Scrap this crap next season and put that money into developing the game in schools and putting money into the domestic scene instead of paying overseas players and retired veterans! That is where our much needed next generation of Haydens, Warnes, Gilhrists and Waughs are going to come through.

I reckon it's no surprise that we've gone down the gurgler at the same time that this shit has invaded our Cricket season. It was always going to be tough to replace the retiring champions but have a look at how many of these young blokes are getting injured these days. Teeball is the modern equivalent of the Rebel Tours in the 1980's when it comes to being a destabilisng influence on the fortunes of our national team.

Teeball can go and get ******, horrible shit that it is. Cricket Australia is ******. They've devauled the Baggy Green and the once great game of Cricket.

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The MAIN reason Australia is struggling at Test level is the batsmen are not good enough
20/20 batting habits and participation are much much LESS of a reason


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As for producing the next generation
WARNER
LYON
CUMMINS
Where did they start their domestic careers ....

SS cricket is the VERY VERY VERY BEST nursery of Test Cricketers
But do not discount players kick starting careers in limited over comps
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Gozu » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:15 pm

CRICKET Australia's dream of a big pay day for the next Big Bash television rights deal has been given a giant boost on the back of a bumper opening week of TV ratings for the re-vamped Twenty20 competition.

Despite taking a massive walloping at the ticket sales booth, the Big Bash was a ratings winner, led by David Warner's one-man dismantling of Shane Warne's Melbourne Stars at the MCG.

That game was the fourth highest rating show ever on Australian subscription TV, drawing an average of 488,000 on Fox Sports, with an overall reach of 900,000 viewers, according to Fox Sports figures.


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cri ... 6225631358

Talk of the BBL eventually moving from pay-TV to FTA with one network interested in showing it live on Friday nights.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Coach Bombay » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:14 pm

People love having a whinge. I went last night and it was awesome. People should stop complaining and just enjoy it. Its a game :)
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Booney » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:03 pm

bays09 wrote:People love having a whinge. I went last night and it was awesome. People should stop complaining and just enjoy it. Its a game :)


More opinions on what this "game" is doing to one of our nations favourite sports than having a whinge.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Bum Crack » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:09 pm

when is the next game in Adelaide and who are they playing?? I might have a look.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby valleys07 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:10 pm

Bum Crack wrote:when is the next game in Adelaide and who are they playing?? I might have a look.


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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Jimmy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:00 pm

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mighty_tiger_79 wrote:the issue of no state games leading into the boxing day test is a concern


it's not ideal, but how many Shield matches lead into overseas series?


Umm, there are warm up tour matches.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby overloaded » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:11 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Teeball is the big blunder. You can't polish a turd. Scrap this crap next season and put that money into developing the game in schools and putting money into the domestic scene instead of paying overseas players and retired veterans! That is where our much needed next generation of Haydens, Warnes, Gilhrists and Waughs are going to come through.



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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby smac » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:41 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:What seems lost on most of you is that you aren't the target audience. CA is seeking new audiences with the BBL.

It will fund first class cricket so I hope it succeeds.


so the 23,500 that turned up last night have never been the cricket before and wouldnt have gone if the game was vic vs nsw?

No, that's not what I am saying at all and I suspect you know that and are being argumentative.

The 23,500 that turned up was made up of many different groups, except grumpy old badgers who have no interest in T20 cricket. CA have identified they don't like the game and that they should stop trying to fnd a way to get them there. Instead they are marketing to new groups to add to the existing T20 fan base.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby smac » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:44 pm

Booney wrote:
bays09 wrote:People love having a whinge. I went last night and it was awesome. People should stop complaining and just enjoy it. Its a game :)


More opinions on what this "game" is doing to one of our nations favourite sports than having a whinge.

So a game format that is only a few years old is responsible for there being a shortage of test batsmen? At the same time a T20 speciallist has made his test debut and made a ton in his second test?

T20 is not the devil many wish to make it out to be.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby heater31 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:48 pm

smac wrote:
Booney wrote:
bays09 wrote:People love having a whinge. I went last night and it was awesome. People should stop complaining and just enjoy it. Its a game :)


More opinions on what this "game" is doing to one of our nations favourite sports than having a whinge.

So a game format that is only a few years old is responsible for there being a shortage of test batsmen? At the same time a T20 speciallist has made his test debut and made a ton in his second test?

T20 is not the devil many wish to make it out to be.



Here is the key statement. Australian cricket has been kissed on the d**k for almost 20 years and now we are experiencing a lean time with the talent we have available but We MUST not become reliant or place too much emphasis on this form of the game especially at the levels below Professional ranks. Yes it is fun and exciting to watch but we still need to teach and practice the correct techniques to produce Test Cricketers for this Country.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby smac » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:53 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Nobody has been going to the Shield for years. A completely irrelevant arguement that misses the point by miles. The Shield is there to prepare Test Cricketers. The Shield is there to play test cricketers back into form. I'm twiddling my thumbs because there is teeball on this weekend instead of the deciding test of the Australia v New Zealand series. It's not the glorious past that concerns me but the uncertain future. It's not whinging either, it's called having an opinion. If anyone can say anything more intelligent than 'get with the times' or 'money' (for a year or two anyway) I'll be glad to have my mind put at ease.

You and us, have got nothing. Not until Boxing Day.

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What about the fact you could be wrong?

Not that long ago that the T20 anti-supporters were strongly believing that no cricketer could go from T20 to test cricket in the pathway. Dave Warner, Patrick Cummins and Nathan Lyon disagree.
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:48 pm

smac wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:Nobody has been going to the Shield for years. A completely irrelevant arguement that misses the point by miles. The Shield is there to prepare Test Cricketers. The Shield is there to play test cricketers back into form. I'm twiddling my thumbs because there is teeball on this weekend instead of the deciding test of the Australia v New Zealand series. It's not the glorious past that concerns me but the uncertain future. It's not whinging either, it's called having an opinion. If anyone can say anything more intelligent than 'get with the times' or 'money' (for a year or two anyway) I'll be glad to have my mind put at ease.

You and us, have got nothing. Not until Boxing Day.

regards,

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What about the fact you could be wrong?

Not that long ago that the T20 anti-supporters were strongly believing that no cricketer could go from T20 to test cricket in the pathway. Dave Warner, Patrick Cummins and Nathan Lyon disagree.


I hope I am wrong smac. But I believe that Warner's success has come about by improving his form in the long game. teeball might have opened the door for him but he still produced when he finally got the chance in the Sheild. That's why he's got a baggy green. As for Lyon he is the nine hundreth spinner we've used since Warne thank God for teeball!

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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:49 pm

heater31 wrote:
smac wrote:
Booney wrote:
bays09 wrote:People love having a whinge. I went last night and it was awesome. People should stop complaining and just enjoy it. Its a game :)


More opinions on what this "game" is doing to one of our nations favourite sports than having a whinge.

So a game format that is only a few years old is responsible for there being a shortage of test batsmen? At the same time a T20 speciallist has made his test debut and made a ton in his second test?

T20 is not the devil many wish to make it out to be.



Here is the key statement. Australian cricket has been kissed on the d**k for almost 20 years and now we are experiencing a lean time with the talent we have available but We MUST not become reliant or place too much emphasis on this form of the game especially at the levels below Professional ranks. Yes it is fun and exciting to watch but we still need to teach and practice the correct techniques to produce Test Cricketers for this Country.


Turn it up. Australia have been the best Test nation for over a hundred years due to the Sheffield Shield. Kissed on the dick you've got to be kidding me. It's more than luck mate.

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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby MAY-Z » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:50 am

smac wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:What seems lost on most of you is that you aren't the target audience. CA is seeking new audiences with the BBL.

It will fund first class cricket so I hope it succeeds.


so the 23,500 that turned up last night have never been the cricket before and wouldnt have gone if the game was vic vs nsw?

No, that's not what I am saying at all and I suspect you know that and are being argumentative.

The 23,500 that turned up was made up of many different groups, except grumpy old badgers who have no interest in T20 cricket. CA have identified they don't like the game and that they should stop trying to fnd a way to get them there. Instead they are marketing to new groups to add to the existing T20 fan base.


well if that isnt what you are saying - what was the point of destroying the state versus state concept? the young people arent going to say "gee i would never had gone to the cricket to watch south australia, but now that it is called adelaide i will be there" these target audience were going to the big bash in its previous format and current indications are that more people arent going to the new version
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Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby Booney » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:53 am

smac wrote:
Booney wrote:
bays09 wrote:People love having a whinge. I went last night and it was awesome. People should stop complaining and just enjoy it. Its a game :)


More opinions on what this "game" is doing to one of our nations favourite sports than having a whinge.


So a game format that is only a few years old is responsible for there being a shortage of test batsmen? At the same time a T20 speciallist has made his test debut and made a ton in his second test?

T20 is not the devil many wish to make it out to be.


No, but many of us fear that the abbreviated revolution that is taking place already attracts more attention in the media than the most traditional form of the game ( Test / 4 day cricket ) and accordingly the hearts and minds of the next generation of cricketers.

I dont believe T20 is to blame for our current drop in national cricketing standards but I dont think it is going to help our causes going forward.
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Re: Re: Big Bash a Big Blunder ?

Postby smac » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:16 am

MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:What seems lost on most of you is that you aren't the target audience. CA is seeking new audiences with the BBL.

It will fund first class cricket so I hope it succeeds.


so the 23,500 that turned up last night have never been the cricket before and wouldnt have gone if the game was vic vs nsw?

No, that's not what I am saying at all and I suspect you know that and are being argumentative.

The 23,500 that turned up was made up of many different groups, except grumpy old badgers who have no interest in T20 cricket. CA have identified they don't like the game and that they should stop trying to fnd a way to get them there. Instead they are marketing to new groups to add to the existing T20 fan base.


well if that isnt what you are saying - what was the point of destroying the state versus state concept? the young people arent going to say "gee i would never had gone to the cricket to watch south australia, but now that it is called adelaide i will be there" these target audience were going to the big bash in its previous format and current indications are that more people arent going to the new version

It is about growing the comp. Limiting to 6 states wouldn't allow this.
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