GSFL Movements

[field of dreams]

I guess there just isnt much to talk about LF. What are your thoughts on what I said about the points system? If it is supposed to be a replacement for the salary cap then is it doing what it is intended in its current form?

[BJ Ernest]

FOD your post made a lot of sense and made for good reading.

The order hasnt changed a lot and apart from Yank theres been no huge improvement from anyone else. As you say they had quality recruiting with getting Lewis in as coach, going after some zero pointers and recruiting high quality players. (Lohde, Mcpharlin, Pratt, Wilson, Durdin x 2). Some other clubs could take a look at the guys they recruit and compare them with these guys, as these guys made a genuine difference to the competition!

As time goes on the comp should even up but the rich clubs will still get first look at the quality recruits!

Player payments are ridiculous for the quality of player you get. Being a bottom club and needing to pay someone 4-600 a game and them not being a star is a sad state of affairs but its the landscape we live in, and while clubs continue to pay it, players will continue to ask for it.

[LuvsFooty]

I guess there just isnt much to talk about LF. What are your thoughts on what I said about the points system? If it is supposed to be a replacement for the salary cap then is it doing what it is intended in its current form?

I like the system, it will eventually work out I think. Having said that there probably needed to be more consultation earler to get it right from day one. I think intitially there should have been more variance between top and bottom clubs to speed up the process which would mean it wouldnt be a discussion point in 2012.

BJ is right about the bottom clubs needing to pay over odds for players. As an example what would Burdett be on at Willunga and would the same amount of dollars got him to Goolwa?

[BJ Ernest]

I guess there just isnt much to talk about LF. What are your thoughts on what I said about the points system? If it is supposed to be a replacement for the salary cap then is it doing what it is intended in its current form?

I like the system, it will eventually work out I think. Having said that there probably needed to be more consultation earler to get it right from day one. I think intitially there should have been more variance between top and bottom clubs to speed up the process which would mean it wouldnt be a discussion point in 2012.

BJ is right about the bottom clubs needing to pay over odds for players. As an example what would Burdett be on at Willunga and would the same amount of dollars got him to Goolwa?

To handicap the top clubs initially wouldnt have been fair on them either. The issue is retaining recruits, recruiting the right players and being able to develop juniors whilst being successful. Every club should get their time at the top and over the next 5 years the bottom clubs (who have improved since the points system came in) should close that gap more if not surpass some of the top clubs.

The clubs with smaller townships will always find it that little bit harder but thats been the case for ever and a day! Its who they recruit for the $$ thats the important thing.

[field of dreams]

Cheers BJ, I hope that it is the case that it does work out as time goes on. You are right that it wouldnt have been right the top clubs to be overly penalised when the system came in too.

LF - I like the points idea better than a salary cap too, but I guess I was just wondering if it was doing its job - hence my look at the table.

Its who they recruit for the $$ thats the important thing.

That is right and always has been, but with the constantly rising $, those quality players are damn expensive. Meanwhile keeping the recruits at a club gets dearer too as their low/zero point status starts to demand a premium too.

[CaptainCook]

I think the points system has raised player payments, rather than reduced as what the idea was
Also the idea of bringing juniors through, Do you think is working ????
As with most U17/U16 comps any good juniors get rushed of to SANFL Clubs and the ones left at local clubs wouldnt be good enough or strong enough to cut it at the better country leauges

[MatteeG]

I think the points system has raised player payments, rather than reduced as what the idea was
Also the idea of bringing juniors through, Do you think is working ????
As with most U17/U16 comps any good juniors get rushed of to SANFL Clubs and the ones left at local clubs wouldnt be good enough or strong enough to cut it at the better country leauges

Not sure about this CC- points system was never designed to cut player payments, rather introduced as an easier way to even the comp rather than trying to monitor a salary cap.

Bringing through juniors is the way to go, you find many dont have the want to play SANFL and those that do can always come back if you treat them right. Each club would be lucky/unlucky enough to lose 3-4 kids to SANFL clubs per year max I'dve thought. A good junior setup means you have a solid core of 0 pointers who want to play for the club, and you can look for those few recruits which can boost your top end.

[field of dreams]

Nurturing your own clubs talent is very important but is only ever going to one part of having a successful A Grade.

Victor has won 2 in a row in both junior grades which is fantastic and a credit to all involved. The SC comp had been very good/even and so for ours to get up again after losing about a dozen players from the year before was quite amazing. 10 of those actually played senior footy for us this year which is great and 5 played A's but only 1 (Ben Basham) was a regular with 14 games. 2 played 5 games (inc Aydan Bartlett who played quite a few at South) and 2 played 2 games.

The drop off rate after SC has always been pretty high, so to keep those sort of numbers is great but we only gained one regular A grader as I said. Hopefully some of the others will continue to develop - We also had 5 current SC get a run in the A's this year with some excellent promise shown.

When I think back about some of the talent that has come through in recent years it seems I wonder where they are now. Some are knocking around in lower amateur grades - playing with mates/close to uni etc etc. Same for most clubs I imagine. There can always be more done to try and keep them - but if they arent committed it aint easy. It doesnt help if they are fringe A graders at the start and the B's are getting flogged I might add.

[johnny was]

Have heard that Tom Corbett from Woodville west torrens has signed up for Mt Compass..Good pick up if true.

[Gervais]

apologies if already been mentioned, but any news on any recruits for the Bays ? would think that B. Neely would be actively speaking to some of his previous playing contacts.

[watchdog]

Have heard that Tom Corbett from Woodville west torrens has signed up for Mt Compass..Good pick up if true.

Last I heard he was going to have a run at South Adelaide wonder if this is incase things dont work out at Panther land or has that fallen through??

[CaptainCook]

Littlemaster
durrr durr
Wrong

[jumbo20]

Any news on how Yank are looking?

[kickittome]

Interesting to read your stats 'FOD' on clubs finishing positions over the last 5 years. As you mentioned the points system will take a few more years to be fully effective, as it should as well. Clubs can't just expect to be handed extra points to go from bottom to top over night, when the stronger clubs in willunga,creek and strath have worked bloody hard year in year out to stay at the top. Goolwa had the biggest change in playing personnel in a grade i have seen in years and still finished bottom. It would be interesting to know where each clubs snr colts finished over the last 5 years and whether this has benefited the a grade standing? Job for you 'FOD'. I know at strath there premiership team had 14 players out of 21 that had played juniors at the club. This figure would probably be the same at the creeks this year and i'm sure a few more for willunga' premiership teams.
The point i'm trying to make is that you can't just go out & recruit big stars & expect big results straight away. We all know creek spent up this year but they also got gun locals back in rogers and the 2 warrens and had some good young senior colts to fill some gaps to get them over the line. Will be interesting to see who creek replace feast and warren next year with as they are two of there most important players would be a 8 goal difference without them.

[field of dreams]

14 out of 21 is impressive kitm - here you go: Where have clubs finished over the last 5 years (A Grade):

Creek: 1, 5, 3, 3, 2
Willun: 2, 2, 1, 1, 1
Strath: 3, 1, 2, 2, 3
Yanka: 4, 4, 10, 7, 9
Victor: 5, 3, 5, 6, 8
Pongy: 6, 8, 9, 9, 5
Comp: 7, 6, 4, 4, 4
Bays: 8, 9, 8, 5, 6
McLa: 9, 7, 7, 8, 7
Gool: 10,10,6,10,10

Senior Colts 2011 back to 1997:

Creek: 6,2,4,4,6,9,1,4,8,9,1,1,4,7,8
Willun: 2,3,7,5,2,3,3,5,1,1,3,2,1,2,1
Strath: 5,4,3,1,3,1,2,3,3,5,6,5,5,9,7
Yanka: 8,7,9,10,8,8,9,10,9,8,7,9,6,5,3
Victor: 1,1,5,9,4,2,7,8,4,4,9,6,3,3,6
Pongy: 9,5,1,8,10,6,10,6,10,10,10,8,7,6,5
Comp: 4,6,2,3,5,10,6,9,5,7,8,4,2,1,2
Bays: 10,10,8,7,9,7,8,7,6,6,4,3,8,4,4
McLa: 7,9,6,2,1,4,5,1,2,2,2
Goolw: 3,8,10,6,7,5,4,2,7,3,5,7,9,8,9

There certainly seems to be a correlation for Strath and Willunga. McLaren sticks out rather - great run from 2001-2008 which hasnt transferred to A grade success over the last 5 years.

[Grape Ape]

Initially I was a big fan of the points system for the reason that it encourages clubs to develop from within. While it sounds nice in principle I'm starting to see some major problems. FOD pointed out that from Victors senior colts premiership side only 1 kid went on to be what would be considered an A Grade footballer. At that rate Victor would need 21 years of SC premiership teams to make a full A Grade side. If you look at Willunga's grand final side this year, for all the consistently stong junior teams there was only 1 home grown player under 25 (Jake Standfield). That equates to 1 A grade footballer in 7 years from one of the strongest junior programs in the league. Is anyone else seeing the problem here?? Where are clubs supposed to get the rest of their A Grade sides from?

The argument is obviously that clubs need to do more to develop and retain their juniors but is that a reasonable thing to expect in this day and age? How many people live their whole lives in the town they grew up in? Kids move away for study or work or to chase skirt or travel or whatever. What hope have clubs in the smaller country communities got to retain enough juniors to sustain a club?

Then there's the other side of the coin. A mate and I recently rolled out to preseason training with a new club. We weren't recruited, we just decided it would be a good place to play footy because it's close to where we both work. I figure we're the sort of blokes that are the lifeblood of footy clubs. Coming from the GSFL with A Grade back grounds we'll attract 3 points each. It turns out that this club maxed out on points last year and with the existing players losing 1 point each they'll only have 5 points spare. The net result is that if we want to play together in the A Grade (which should be everyone's goal) we have to push recruited, paid points players or any other new blokes out of the side first. So what should we do? Be content to play B's for three years or shop around for a club with more points spare?

Footy clubs are still spending their player budgets - just on fewer players. Meanwhile Joe Average who wants a crack at A grade footy in the town he just moved to can't because of points restrictions.

Might just be easier to take up soccer or golf.

[field of dreams]

From the McLaren website:

As everyone appears to be aware at the McLaren Football Club A.G.M. held last Wednesday the 23rd November a proposal was lodged to change the Club logo from “The Eagles” to “The Crushers”. This was voted on and passed resulting in “The Crushers” being implemented.
However this has caused a huge response with a lot of discussion in the public forum, Facebook. Unfortunately the comments have become personal and detrimental to our Club.
As a result a special general meeting has been called for on Thursday the 8th of December at 7.30 p.m. at the McLaren Football Club. As this issue will have a huge influence on the future of our Club I ask all of you, who wish to have your vote count, attend this meeting.
In the meantime I ask Club members to refrain from posting comments relating to this matter on Facebook as it is open to the greater public. If we continue along this line we, as a Club, will implode and self destruct.

Any news from last night?

[ORDoubleBlues]

Which SANFL club will Haskett do a preseason with for next year with the intention of suiting up for Willunga anyway?

Only one that is not run as well as Willunga.

You're kidding yourself

[neverwas neverwillbe]

From the McLaren website:

As everyone appears to be aware at the McLaren Football Club A.G.M. held last Wednesday the 23rd November a proposal was lodged to change the Club logo from “The Eagles” to “The Crushers”. This was voted on and passed resulting in “The Crushers” being implemented.
However this has caused a huge response with a lot of discussion in the public forum, Facebook. Unfortunately the comments have become personal and detrimental to our Club.
As a result a special general meeting has been called for on Thursday the 8th of December at 7.30 p.m. at the McLaren Football Club. As this issue will have a huge influence on the future of our Club I ask all of you, who wish to have your vote count, attend this meeting.
In the meantime I ask Club members to refrain from posting comments relating to this matter on Facebook as it is open to the greater public. If we continue along this line we, as a Club, will implode and self destruct.

Any news from last night?

To remain as the McLaren Eagles for 2012. All members to be canvassed during next season for possibilities of a logo change.

[words of wisdom]

Initially I was a big fan of the points system for the reason that it encourages clubs to develop from within. While it sounds nice in principle I'm starting to see some major problems. FOD pointed out that from Victors senior colts premiership side only 1 kid went on to be what would be considered an A Grade footballer. At that rate Victor would need 21 years of SC premiership teams to make a full A Grade side. If you look at Willunga's grand final side this year, for all the consistently stong junior teams there was only 1 home grown player under 25 (Jake Standfield). That equates to 1 A grade footballer in 7 years from one of the strongest junior programs in the league. Is anyone else seeing the problem here?? Where are clubs supposed to get the rest of their A Grade sides from?

The argument is obviously that clubs need to do more to develop and retain their juniors but is that a reasonable thing to expect in this day and age? How many people live their whole lives in the town they grew up in? Kids move away for study or work or to chase skirt or travel or whatever. What hope have clubs in the smaller country communities got to retain enough juniors to sustain a club?

Then there's the other side of the coin. A mate and I recently rolled out to preseason training with a new club. We weren't recruited, we just decided it would be a good place to play footy because it's close to where we both work. I figure we're the sort of blokes that are the lifeblood of footy clubs. Coming from the GSFL with A Grade back grounds we'll attract 3 points each. It turns out that this club maxed out on points last year and with the existing players losing 1 point each they'll only have 5 points spare. The net result is that if we want to play together in the A Grade (which should be everyone's goal) we have to push recruited, paid points players or any other new blokes out of the side first. So what should we do? Be content to play B's for three years or shop around for a club with more points spare?

Footy clubs are still spending their player budgets - just on fewer players. Meanwhile Joe Average who wants a crack at A grade footy in the town he just moved to can't because of points restrictions.

Might just be easier to take up soccer or golf.

I think i've posted enough to know my thoughts...
More points isn't the answer though.