SA Churches and Community Cricket Association 2011/2012

[frontfoot]

The stats say

smith
borgas
macdonald
reidy
a.roling
atkins
hobson-bessel
clarke
thorpe
balding
sprt


stats dont lie and they are an indication of who's playing well

Holland leading the wickets @ an ave of 11.82 ECN of 2.4 also 3rd in the batting with nearly 200 @65

Balneaves 2nd in the wickets @ an ave of 7.50 ECN of 1.7 and averaging 20 with the bat.

yep stats dont lie neither of these 2 would make it hey infinity

from what I see, he has picked players from DIV 1, not div 1 players hiding in div 2
as a assoc side should be picked ....from div 1 first. then if you need a couple of players then you pick from div 2 ....imo...
the way it used to be done......thats how you win games.....like that phantom ..straight to the point...

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

[Lightning McQueen]

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

OUCH!

[dark & stormy]

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

OUCH!

not quite what I meant.......
you just have to pick from your top players in div 1 first is all I am saying...
and before you all say well we only play div 2 cause our team is not good enough to play div 1 ,
well too bad div 1 first then pick from div 2 if players are needed....sorry carey, your a great player but this is my opinion only
pick from div 1 . and you know you will play anyway

[auto]

agree smasha, though players like holland and balneaves will pick themselves in any assoc side.

[infinity+1]

with respect to those two players from division 2 i chose top flight players based on stats.

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well if this is the young fella that batted on saturday against us (I dont take note of new players till they tick me off ) he can hold his head up and I beleive he will do well in div 1 . good to see young guys actually come through to div 1 and actually have a brain , looked like he enjoyed himself with bat and ball, and also knocked my middle and leg stump out of the ground.....after a few boundaries .......then I returned the favour and took his off stump outta the ground...good kid , had a laugh , looks like he def belongs in div 1 and good luck too him.

Yeah that's him Smasha. Although, he thought the slow stuff you were bowling on the weekend was quick though

[bored]

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

Even if he is getting wickets by cleaning up the tail, knowing Dutchy, he would still be troubling the top order anyway. According to those stats, he found the right end of the bat to hold this season and is making some runs
Crackers will always be up there, whatever division he plays in.

[Phantom Gossiper]

from what I see, he has picked players from DIV 1, not div 1 players hiding in div 2
as a assoc side should be picked ....from div 1 first. then if you need a couple of players then you pick from div 2 ....imo...
the way it used to be done......thats how you win games.....like that phantom ..straight to the point...

I love it!

[Phantom Gossiper]

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

Still got to take the wickets, still need to put the ball in the right areas so who cares if Shaun "Kleenex" Holland has been cleaning up the tail?

FWIW, I dont agree with you smasha. I think if there are outstanding players in div 2 then they should be given an opportunity to play or at least be considered. You dont know the circumstances of why they are playing in div 2. Perhaps their side is useless and cant make the jump to div 1, perhaps they are sandbagging. Who knows.

The assoc side/carnival side has had players from lower divs in the past, players who have performed well i.e. Paul Wright, Adam Gully, Shaun Holland.

[Oxygen Thief]

Some interesting reading here last couple of pages.
Thing i think you need to remember about Jarrad is he's only 18. He always listens to his peers
and always looking to better himself. he plays with a straight bat ( which is something about 3/4 of batsman in divvy 1
and 2 struggle with ) and highly values his wicket. He's a future carnival player, no doubt about it.

As for Dutchy, he'd be in my carnival side based purely on the size of his heart and how much it means to him.
Just needs to make sure he's got a few salt tablets handy to try and prevent cramping at the worse possible time

Watched Enfield's A's bat on saturday. Could not believe that Gully came in at 9 or 10?! I have played 2 or 3 carnivals with him
and he's a handy batsman and IMO should be up around 4 or 5. Just because he's the strike bowler doesnt mean he has to bat at 9.
Probably only 1 other batsman that i saw that day that was better. Hit the ball well, but got set up nicely

[dark & stormy]

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

Still got to take the wickets, still need to put the ball in the right areas so who cares if Shaun "Kleenex" Holland has been cleaning up the tail?

FWIW, I dont agree with you smasha. I think if there are outstanding players in div 2 then they should be given an opportunity to play or at least be considered. You dont know the circumstances of why they are playing in div 2. Perhaps their side is useless and cant make the jump to div 1, perhaps they are sandbagging. Who knows.

The assoc side/carnival side has had players from lower divs in the past, players who have performed well i.e. Paul Wright, Adam Gully, Shaun Holland.

ok , here it is in black and white.........
balneaves, tindale, are really the two I am talking about... they are absolute guns. but cant be bothered playing higher due to being on a level playing field. waste of talent.
played state with balneaves and yes he is a gun , but why hide in div 2 most of the time.
carey I understand , cant field a side in div 2 so no chance in div 1. so there is the reason why I say div 1 .
so these OTHER GUYS (not carey, gully, paul wright) who want to be in the spotlight and terrorise people in div 2 should not even be asked to play assoc. IMO. HOPEFULLY i HAVE CLEARED THAT UP A BIT MORE. come join the big boys and see if you can take wickets then.......I THINK NOT.

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Just needs to make sure he's got a few salt tablets handy to try and prevent cramping at the worse possible time

[Phantom Gossiper]

ok , here it is in black and white.........
balneaves, tindale, are really the two I am talking about... they are absolute guns. but cant be bothered playing higher due to being on a level playing field. waste of talent.
played state with balneaves and yes he is a gun , but why hide in div 2 most of the time.
carey I understand , cant field a side in div 2 so no chance in div 1. so there is the reason why I say div 1 .
so these OTHER GUYS (not carey, gully, paul wright) who want to be in the spotlight and terrorise people in div 2 should not even be asked to play assoc. IMO. HOPEFULLY i HAVE CLEARED THAT UP A BIT MORE. come join the big boys and see if you can take wickets then.......I THINK NOT.

Ok. Stop yelling at me

[dark & stormy]

ok , here it is in black and white.........
balneaves, tindale, are really the two I am talking about... they are absolute guns. but cant be bothered playing higher due to being on a level playing field. waste of talent.
played state with balneaves and yes he is a gun , but why hide in div 2 most of the time.
carey I understand , cant field a side in div 2 so no chance in div 1. so there is the reason why I say div 1 .
so these OTHER GUYS (not carey, gully, paul wright) who want to be in the spotlight and terrorise people in div 2 should not even be asked to play assoc. IMO. HOPEFULLY i HAVE CLEARED THAT UP A BIT MORE. come join the big boys and see if you can take wickets then.......I THINK NOT.

Ok. Stop yelling at me

ok mate, next

[carey]

The stats say

smith
borgas
macdonald
reidy
a.roling
atkins
hobson-bessel
clarke
thorpe
balding
sprt


stats dont lie and they are an indication of who's playing well

Holland leading the wickets @ an ave of 11.82 ECN of 2.4 also 3rd in the batting with nearly 200 @65

Balneaves 2nd in the wickets @ an ave of 7.50 ECN of 1.7 and averaging 20 with the bat.

yep stats dont lie neither of these 2 would make it hey infinity

from what I see, he has picked players from DIV 1, not div 1 players hiding in div 2
as a assoc side should be picked ....from div 1 first. then if you need a couple of players then you pick from div 2 ....imo...
the way it used to be done......thats how you win games.....like that phantom ..straight to the point...

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

13 wickets

batsmen (1-6) 9 wickets
batsmen (7-11) 4 wickets

looks like your reports are a good source.

[carey]

Smasha in principle i agree with what your saying but the thing that really gets me is the lack of passion guys have to play in ass sides. Last year the coach had to ring around the night before games just to field an 11!

The point i make is whilst we all pick our best 11's etc etc the facts are we've never fielded our best 11 and probably never will through various reasons which is sad really.

For what its worth should the churches ever of fielded our best 11 i think alot of results whould've been alot differant.

but i do like the debate

[buckley05]

I agree with Smasha you gotta pick from Div 1 first. By all reports in Div 2 a fair chunk of Hollands wickets come from him bringing himself on to clean up the tail anyway so how many of those scalps are quality?

Even if he is getting wickets by cleaning up the tail, knowing Dutchy, he would still be troubling the top order anyway. According to those stats, he found the right end of the bat to hold this season and is making some runs
Crackers will always be up there, whatever division he plays in.

I've played against both and rate both very highly. they'd both still be front line bowlers in any div 1 side.
Crackers would be close to 40 would'nt he? Dutchy early 30's.

[Wizard of Oz]

Smasha in principle i agree with what your saying but the thing that really gets me is the lack of passion guys have to play in ass sides. Last year the coach had to ring around the night before games just to field an 11!

The point i make is whilst we all pick our best 11's etc etc the facts are we've never fielded our best 11 and probably never will through various reasons which is sad really.

For what its worth should the churches ever of fielded our best 11 i think alot of results whould've been alot differant.

but i do like the debate

Same for any association I reckon Dutchy.

Sunday cricket is very low on peoples list of priorities these days... I couldn't think of anything worse right now to be honest.

[Oxygen Thief]

Too true Carey.
Fact is if the best 11 were available for every carnival i would count
myself lucky to play in 1 let alone 5!
been saying that for years....

It could be a really strong team but just cant seem to get the right guys interested.

[One Ball Bandit]

come join the big boys and see if you can take wickets then.......I THINK NOT.[/quote]

i disagree because the line and length i bowl is better suited to div 1 because div 2 batsmen arent good enough to get the edge..the amount of plays and misses i have had this year is staggering from good length balls amd not to mention i have the best slower ball in the association

why not play Div 1 ppl may ask? i dont know about everybody else but the most enjoyable part of playing cricket for myself is getting to play with your mates on a Saturday and i have many friends at Enfield..after all we arent playing for sheep stations

Cuz i did start the year at 6 but besides the two innings of 16 n.o and 13 n.o the rest of my scores in the other 6 innings have been between 0-7 so there is a reason im batting down at 9 and not to mention the fact that everyone ahead of me in the batting order has scored more runs than me this year.