SAAFL Division 7 & D7R (2012)

[morell]

'we are content to be crap cos we hav always been crap and if we strive for greatness then we are no longer crap and therefore all the crapness of our seasons gone by will forever be lost and no one will stand by us if we make a couple of upgrades to win a premiership. For our fathers and their fathers who once played the mitchell park arena before, we must forever remain crap

The MPFC won a senior A grade flag in 2002. Which is more recent than Carlton and the Port Magpies. Who is your SAAFL side? If you’re looking for one go no further than the mighty Mitchell Park. What we lack in fashion we make up in spirit.

We have been "crap" in recent years, but I can guarantee you, it has had absolutely jack diddly squat to do with the colours on our guernsey. So, if the colours on our guernsey changes nothing, and changing them achieves nothing, why would anyone spend the time and money on going through that process, especially when a lot of people at the club actually love the colours and guernsey.

[morell]

I was alive then Morrell.You had some good players in the late 80s. Went head to head with Craig McRae a few times,used to go alright and big mumma Rea was a handful at times. Id say you were successful in the Southern league before taking on the big boys in SAFA. Would always come off with a few sore spots though.

I have been given a bit of a hand from a much wiser/older historical person than myself.

The MPFC were most definitely a power in the 70’s and 80’s in the old Glenelg/South comp with a few senior flags, which later became known as the Southern Metro Football League. When we joined the SAFA in about 85 we struggled our first year but the next few years we were super competitive - I think this is where I was wrong, I thought we were in the SAFA from the 70's.

The last few years of the SAFA comp we finished bottom or second bottom. We were a bit more competitive in the SFL when we went there until later on when we struggled. Then when we moved to the SAAFL we won a flag in I think our second year (2002). Bit downhill since then other than a solid year in Div 5 where we made the finals and lost to the eventual premiers, another year in div 6 when we made finals and one year in Div 7 where we made the pre-lim. The year before last being probably one of the worst in the clubs history.

Nonetheless a storied and mixed bag of success there, quite a travelled team as well.

[zedman]

morell: "The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand."

you may want to revisit that comment..ALL of them have alternative strips..fact

[S Demon]

morell: "The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand."

you may want to revisit that comment..ALL of them have alternative strips..fact

Technically Collingwood's is an alternative I suppose - isn't it just white and black stripes instead of black and white stripes?

[woodublieve12]

I personally am against changing jumpers... There was talk last season bout changing plymptons strip, has NEVER changed... I was not happy one bit!!! I was not even keen for an away strip!!! Why change something that ain't broke??? MPFC jumper is fine... Kenilworths is worse IMO

[morell]

morell: "The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand."

you may want to revisit that comment..ALL of them have alternative strips..fact

And how different are those strips? A wider red sash for Essendon, thicker white stripes for Collingwood etc. Those alternate strips are specifically designed not to alter the clubs brand whilst also providing a contrast for TV viewers. You are essentially backing up my point!

Just like the MPFC changed from this:



to this:



but the brand, image and identity are maintained. There is no mistaking either of the above images are Mitchell Park. marbles design, whilst aesthetically pleasing, does not maintain the MPFC brand and image - in my opinion.

[zedman]

I personally am against changing jumpers... There was talk last season bout changing plymptons strip, has NEVER changed... I was not happy one bit!!! I was not even keen for an away strip!!! Why change something that ain't broke??? MPFC jumper is fine... Kenilworths is worse IMO

WB12: yes but PFC have an oval that runs east west(you know thats where the sun sits?),its to small for under 16 football, has a concrete cricket pitch in the middle and a good drop kick can cover its width..

SD: went from white and black to black and white

no i am not backing up your point MORELL....YOU SAID THE VIC CLUBS WONT CHANGE..BUT THEY HAVE! 100% wrong

[woodublieve12]

I personally am against changing jumpers... There was talk last season bout changing plymptons strip, has NEVER changed... I was not happy one bit!!! I was not even keen for an away strip!!! Why change something that ain't broke??? MPFC jumper is fine... Kenilworths is worse IMO

WB12: yes but PFC have an oval that runs east west(you know thats where the sun sits?),its to small for under 16 football, has a concrete cricket pitch in the middle and a good drop kick can cover its width.. :)

SD: went from white and black to black and white

no i am not backing up your point MORELL....YOU SAID THE VIC CLUBS WONT CHANGE..BUT THEY HAVE! 100% wrong

are oval is just fine thank you, just makes us unique and the fact its actually OUR own oval not an oval we took from a league club and we have never moved locations also we have decent club rooms

[morell]

no i am not backing up your point MORELL....YOU SAID THE VIC CLUBS WONT CHANGE..BUT THEY HAVE! 100% wrong

Re-read what I wrote zedman.

I said:

"The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand."

Slightly tinkering with alternate guernseys does not alter their on field brand. In fact, by only subtly changing their guernseys rather than creating whole new ones proves how important their brands are to them.

Put it this way, here is Essendon's normal strip:



here is their clash strip:



Note how yes, they have slightly tinkered with the design, but overall, the image, identity and brand of the famous red sash remains intact. There is no doubt both are manifestly "Essendon".

Just like with Mitchell Park, as long as the red lion, green, red and white colours/panels are maintained, tinker with the other components (shorts, size and position of panels/logos for example) all you like.

[zedman]

yes they have a league oval..gets used every finals series unlike..yours..which will NEVER be used for a neutral SAAFL game

and the clubrooms have been renovated..go and have a look..a huge improvement on an average room

but i digress..do we know when officially the teams will be announced for div 7 and 6?

[zedman]

morell you are backtracking..we were discussing guernseys..which is what you were replying to..give it up..

"There is also a reason why AFL clubs protect and maintain their identity ferociously. The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand. I also find it interesting that Port Adelaide have changed their guernsey more than their underwear"

right after your comment you said guernsey..dude..

[zedman]

essendown is one club..lets see what hawthorn are doing next year for a clash guernsey:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/t ... 6124489447

[teaoby]

essendown is one club..lets see what hawthorn are doing next year for a clash guernsey:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/t ... 6124489447

all the teams Hawthorn clash with are teams with also a lot of Yellow in their guernseys, and who in their right mind would want more Brown in their playing strip!

[morell]

morell you are backtracking..we were discussing guernseys..which is what you were replying to..give it up..

"There is also a reason why AFL clubs protect and maintain their identity ferociously. The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand. I also find it interesting that Port Adelaide have changed their guernsey more than their underwear"

right after your comment you said guernsey..dude..

haha, holy moly, man you just don't get it. I raised Port because they have changed everything about their guernseys, the designs are all completely different, there is no concordance or design consistency. Essendon widened their sash. The reason why they only changed it subtly, to quote the Essendon chariman at the time:

"It's the closest thing we think we can get to maintaining our tradition, not forsaking our heritage, and sticking with the club constitution" - Peter Jackson, 2006

So, they compromised with the AFL as best as they could to maintain their brand and identity, as that is obviously important to them. It's simple mate!

As long as Mitchell Park maintain their tradition, don't forsake its heritage and stick to the clubs constitution, they can tinker with the minute details to make a more appealing jumper, just like we did previously. That way, the BRAND and club IDENTITY are maintained.

[morell]

essendown is one club..lets see what hawthorn are doing next year for a clash guernsey:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/t ... 6124489447

Good on Hawthorn, if it works for them all the power to them, just like a guernsey change worked for Kenilworth. Well done.

I don't think a guernsey change would make one iota of a difference to Mitchell Park and the time, money and energy would be better spent in other areas. In addition the image and brand that guernsey has been a part of is worth protecting. Simple, and just my opinion.

I'm done, this thread has been derailed enough with this simplistic rubbish.

[zedman]

plenty of AFL clubs have changed their "brand" if you want to go down that path..

you said vic clubs dont change their brands and resist..yeah?

north melbourne change their name to the kangaroos and then back to north melbourne

Fitzroy/brisbane bears change their name to brisbane lions

footscray become the western bulldogs

melbourne dumps the demon attachment as its logo

south melbourne dropping the bloods and becoming the swans

etc etc

and all of them have alternative strips..seems to have worked ok for those clubs eh?

[morell]

plenty of AFL clubs have changed their "brand" if you want to go down that path..

you said vic clubs dont change their brands and resist..yeah?

north melbourne change their name to the kangaroos and then back to north melbourne

Fitzroy/brisbane bears change their name to brisbane lions

footscray become the western bulldogs

melbourne dumps the demon attachment as its logo

south melbourne dropping the bloods and becoming the swans

etc etc

and all of them have alternative strips..seems to have worked ok for those clubs eh?

How are they travelling?

[marbles]

Mp current jumper is actually similar to henleys former safa jumper but henleys looked great where mp's looks strangely crap lol

they love their style so they wont change. At least remove the white arm and neck bands and scrap the socks. These flaws removed will enhance to current jump by 30%. The number area on bak is also a little bit of eyesore. Less eyesores the better it becomes

[zedman]

plenty of AFL clubs have changed their "brand" if you want to go down that path..

you said vic clubs dont change their brands and resist..yeah?

north melbourne change their name to the kangaroos and then back to north melbourne

Fitzroy/brisbane bears change their name to brisbane lions

footscray become the western bulldogs

melbourne dumps the demon attachment as its logo

south melbourne dropping the bloods and becoming the swans

etc etc

and all of them have alternative strips..seems to have worked ok for those clubs eh?

How are they travelling?

north melbourne owned the 90's..2 flags and about 8 prelims in a row

lions owned the early noughties..4 grand finals and 3 flags i think?

bulldogs got to the prelim final 3 years in a row pretty sure..

melbourne has only just done it..no result yet

swans won a premiership breaking a decades long drought..

yeah they are going prety good..

[woodublieve12]

i cant see the big deal with MPFC jumper...