How To Fix The Foxtel Cup

[Hondo]

... but for us here in Adelaide to start claiming the concept is broken just because some of our teams won't participate ....

Cart before horse.

Some of our teams won't participate because the concept is broken.

You think Centrals will say yes if PhilH's suggestions were put in?

I don't. I don't think our reigning premier would play even if it was one game of say SANFL premier v WAFL premier.

If you give clubs an out they will take it. Our best clubs ideally would have preferred that their best players don't play state footy. They don't do that though because they know the fans want state footy. Right now, us fans are divided on whether we want Foxtel Cup so while the clubs can get away with not playing it they will decline. They will do so for as long as they can get away with it with the fans.

[redandblack]

The SANFL clubs who don't participate are entitled to make that decision.

If they say it's because it affects their premiership chances, then any other reasons, eg: prizemoney, programming, etc are irrelevant.

Those that did participate are keen to do so again. The VFL and WAFL teams weren't affected by it in their premiership goal.

As I said, if the top teams don't want to participate, fine, but that disqualifies any sermonising or arrogant claims that those participating aren't serious about winning a premiership.

[Psyber]

I'm sure Foxtel would have a "Fix" well in hand...

[PhilH]

I think I have found out how Foxtel is going to schedule this around their AFL commitments.

I will wait on an official confirmation but I hope the players have alarm clocks, wouldn't want to sleep in and miss muster.

[once_were_warriors]

The SANFL clubs who don't participate are entitled to make that decision.

If they say it's because it affects their premiership chances, then any other reasons, eg: prizemoney, programming, etc are irrelevant.

Those that did participate are keen to do so again. The VFL and WAFL teams weren't affected by it in their premiership goal.

As I said, if the top teams don't want to participate, fine, but that disqualifies any sermonising or arrogant claims that those participating aren't serious about winning a premiership.

I don't understand why you persist in going on about VFL and WAFL premierships as a reason to continually support the concept of this competition that has no prestige, limited interest and in 10 years time won't even be remembered.

[redandblack]

I only persist in replying to those who persist in saying clubs aren't serious about winning premierships if they play in it.

If those critics stop persisting, I'll stop persisting and you won't need to ask me why I persist

[once_were_warriors]

I only persist in replying to those who persist in saying clubs aren't serious about winning premierships if they play in it.

If those critics stop persisting, I'll stop persisting and you won't need to ask me why I persist

Well i applaud your nagging persisitence.

To clarify my position , I believe that every team regardless of their commitment status on the foxtel cup would have the SANFL premiership as the main priority.

[redandblack]

Thank you and I agree with you

[Pseudo]

The VFL and WAFL teams weren't affected by it in their premiership goal.

Really? So Willy won the premiership despite putting in four extra games over the season? How did Swan Districts and East Perth go?

[Booney]

The VFL and WAFL teams weren't affected by it in their premiership goal.

Really? So Willy won the premiership despite putting in four extra games over the season? How did Swan Districts and East Perth go?

From the comments put forward one could draw the conclusion that you kept a close eye on the competition.

[Pseudo]

The VFL and WAFL teams weren't affected by it in their premiership goal.

Really? So Willy won the premiership despite putting in four extra games over the season? How did Swan Districts and East Perth go?

From the comments put forward one could draw the conclusion that you kept a close eye on the competition.

I am flattered to hear that my comments convey knowledge of the subject matter. This vindicates the 10 minutes I just spent researching the topic on Wikipedia and the VFL & WAFL websites, without which I would never have known that Swans and East Perth had miserable WAFL seasons. Nor would I have known that Williamstown was 4 goals up early in its Grand Final but couldn't keep up the pace. Nothing like knowing the facts before making a post, eh?

[redandblack]

Credit where credit's due, Pseudo.

You're a master of posting facts that support your argument and omitting those that don't.

Perhaps Willy didn't keep up the pace in the Grand Final because you conveniently omitted that they were playing a team that didn't lose a game all year

You're presumably correct that 2 of the 3 WAFL teams had miserable seasons, but again, you conveniently omitted that the 3rd team won the Premiership.

Oversights, I'm sure

[Booney]

Selective oversights, I'm sure.

[Hondo]

Claremont definitely threw a spanner in the works of the theory! They had lost several grand finals in recent years and so had every reason to decline the Foxtel Cup.

I bet if the prizemoney was 4 times what it is now we'd me amazed at how quickly our clubs would build a bridge over these concerns about their premiership chances. That would be the quickest "fix" to the "problem".

[FlyingHigh]

Credit where credit's due, Pseudo.

You're a master of posting facts that support your argument and omitting those that don't.

Perhaps Willy didn't keep up the pace in the Grand Final because you conveniently omitted that they were playing a team that didn't lose a game all year

You're presumably correct that 2 of the 3 WAFL teams had miserable seasons, but again, you conveniently omitted that the 3rd team won the Premiership.

Oversights, I'm sure

Claremont didn't play the second best team in the WAFL this year, which was West Perth. They played Subi, who won their last 7 minor round games to just scrape into the finals. Would have been similar to a Centrals/South GF.

Oversights, r&b?

[Hondo]

Flying High, can you tell us the result of the 2nd semi final when Claremont played West Perth?

[Hondo]

Also, South finished 8-11-1 whereas Subiaco finished 12-8. Given that the Eagles finished 13-7 I don't think the Centrals v South is the right analogy. Subiaco finished 3rd like the Eagles here. I think the correct analogy is Centrals v Eagles but then the analogy falls flat because the Eagles won. So I don't know if that supports your argument or not. Perhaps we should avoid these hypothetical comparisons.

Claremont finished minor premier and beat the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams easily on the way to the WAFL premiership in the same year they played the Foxtel Cup.

PS: Claremont beat West Perth by 85 points in the 2nd semi final

[Wedgie]

North outscored Central head to head and knocked off the Eagles in 2011 so the Foxtel Cup must be good.
North lost to Sturt three times so the Foxtel Cup must he bad.
Blah Blah Blah.

[Pseudo]

You're a master of posting facts that support your argument and omitting those that don't.

My claim is that the statement "The VFL and WAFL teams weren't affected by (K-tel cup participation) in their premiership goal" is not strictly true.

5 out of 6 possible facts support this claim.

Extend the claim with the clause " ... and participating SANFL teams weren't affected in their goal of finals participation", then 8 facts out of 9 support the claim.

Better to omit one fact of several than to make a generalisation based completely on that same one fact.

[redandblack]

Wonderful, Pseudo

Only one small flaw in that 'logic'.

How many teams can win a Premiership each year? It automatically follows that only a maximum of 3 out of 9 'possible facts' can be attained.

Would you also like to explain your SANFL finals statement that 8 out of 9 'facts' support the same

Weird