SAAFL Division 7 & D7R (2012)

[morell]

Either way it's a terrible guernsey. From a purely aesthetic point of view it would be a good idea, but I highly doubt whether changing it would attract more players..

This.

[marbles]

Seems they fear that by making improvements and making things better people will leave lol

[beeroclock]

Mitchell Park's guernsey is so bad that it has come full circle to be a point of pride for us. As many potential players as we would gain, I reckon as many would leave, including myself, if the guernsey was changed. It is part of our clubs constitution to never change the strip and rightly so. Many on this forum wouldn't be aware of Mitchell Park's success through the 70's and 80's in the then SAFA, a lot of those old players are still around the club. To change the guernsey because of some modern day aesthetic would be a blight on their contribution to our football community.

In fact, if a player didn't want to play for us because they don't like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway and would be better suited playing for a club with a shorter and less distinct history than the MPFC - but one with a nicer looking strip.

Our recruitment problems are pretty much solely based on population demographic changes, high levels of competition from nearby clubs and our previously poor discipline reputation. The colours would be be a less than 1% factor.

What success in SAFA? You blokes were easy beats in the late 80s.

[marbles]

Well so i had a vision and lucky for you i follow through with it

So all readers, which Mitchell Park guernsey would you prefer to for...



OR....



I smell a premiership jumper here... lol

Maybe sometimes small clubs need a hand

And with so much pride the way they stand theyre a bit of a rough diamond that needs a polish

Which one fella's?

[woodublieve12]

That 2nd one looks really good...

[zedman]

i never said changing the jumper gave KFC success..they did that change years ago..i said it was a better jumper now..didnt attract any more or any less players and it didnt deliver a premiership as you say, that came from the $$ and 2-3 good years of juniors..it was a modern improvement on a crap design..i also never said you had to change colours..just tweak it..like marbles has..have all the AFL teams who have new away jumpers sold their history out to? of course not..

[old fullback]

Maybe a touch too much white in the new one,and whats with the black shorts?

[valleys07]

Yeah i like the 2nd design.

I agree with you Morell, you dont want to lose the heritage aspect of a jumper, but a facelift is always refreshing for the playing group and the perception of the club.

[Bluedemon]

I have been at Kenilworth for a very long time and have seen some jumper changes from the old days of the chocolate and blue tops to the now. When we set up the juniors we actually came out with a blue and white top with a kookaburra on it. The seniors liked that top in the early 2000's and changed to the same design with a bigger kookaburra on it to the modern jumper we have today.
The juniors decided to have the different jumper when it got set up compared to the seniors so that we could attract the players and make it appealing for them.
Changing jumpers can work for your club.

[jake the snake]

please bluedmoon, the guernsey has nothing to do with kfc success over the last few years, its all about the mighty dollar, mosar and co didnt come because they liked the guernsey they came because they likes the coin on offer each week, when that goes, so will the players

[Bluedemon]

please bluedmoon, the guernsey has nothing to do with kfc success over the last few years, its all about the mighty dollar, mosar and co didnt come because they liked the guernsey they came because they likes the coin on offer each week, when that goes, so will the players

i was talking about attracting the juniors to play with an appealing jumper.

[marbles]

the mitchell park jumper is like one of those plastic picnic table cloth covers that u might see in an italian pizza shop

[story of my life]

why are you so defensive always?..you take a high horse a fair bit..if changing a guernsey wrecks the deeds of players previous well i think your smoking some really good sh1t..

not defensive at all, just think the notion of changing a guernsey to attract new players is fundamentally flawed, especially in our case. If it worked for Kenilworth, good for Kenilworth. Personally I think $ and the hard work of many good people has had far more to do with Kenilworths recent success than changing your strip.

I personally want to play in the same colours as Daryl Jonas, Trevor Bennetts, Joe Leck and Ben Weekley, as that is important to me.

Some people care about their clubs heritage and history. If that puts me on a high horse than strap me in, give me a whip and call me Damien Oliver.

and you have changed the guernsey, you just admitted it, so now from never changing it because of a constitutional law, you have changed it..confuse much?

not confused at all, the colours are in our constitution, not the design, we have worn our colours in the Footscray type design and as they are now in the panel, St Kilda kinda look. With some tweaks here and there.

All guernseys were as ugly as our B grade coach.



Again, I am not completely against changing the design per se, but would be adamently against changing the colours, which means no matter what, with red, green and white - were going to be wearing an ugly strip.

Its part of who we are, part of our identity, even part of our brand, whatever that is worth.

so thats what irony means Morrell

[morell]

Mitchell Park's guernsey is so bad that it has come full circle to be a point of pride for us. As many potential players as we would gain, I reckon as many would leave, including myself, if the guernsey was changed. It is part of our clubs constitution to never change the strip and rightly so. Many on this forum wouldn't be aware of Mitchell Park's success through the 70's and 80's in the then SAFA, a lot of those old players are still around the club. To change the guernsey because of some modern day aesthetic would be a blight on their contribution to our football community.

In fact, if a player didn't want to play for us because they don't like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway and would be better suited playing for a club with a shorter and less distinct history than the MPFC - but one with a nicer looking strip.

Our recruitment problems are pretty much solely based on population demographic changes, high levels of competition from nearby clubs and our previously poor discipline reputation. The colours would be be a less than 1% factor.

What success in SAFA? You blokes were easy beats in the late 80s.

I was led to believe from the late 70's and early 80's we were pretty competitive in what was then quite an elite comp. Including some A grade flags. I will get a first hand account from someone and the specifics as I wasn't alive!

Well so i had a vision and lucky for you i follow through with it

So all readers, which Mitchell Park guernsey would you prefer to for...



OR....



I smell a premiership jumper here... lol

Maybe sometimes small clubs need a hand

And with so much pride the way they stand theyre a bit of a rough diamond that needs a polish

Which one fella's?

I think you have made a great looking design there marbles, I think there might be a rule that you cant have a majority white guernsey but I'm not sure.

Even though it looks good to me, it's not Mitchell Park. That was my point earlier about our brand and image, when people drive past an oval and we're playing, there is no doubt what club it is! Don't underrate that concept. I will also point out that the strip being beautifully modelled there by Nat and Batesey is our old one, the new one does look a lot better:

Here is a very good looking MPFC player with the newish strip:



There is apparently a proposal to change our shorts this year. Intersting to see what comes of it.

I still maintain the point that changing our colours, guernsey or design will not have any significant outcome for our club and if anything, will have a negative one. Better of spending that money, time and energy on recruiting, skills and new footballs!

[GHS#33]

Mitchell Park's guernsey is so bad that it has come full circle to be a point of pride for us. As many potential players as we would gain, I reckon as many would leave, including myself, if the guernsey was changed. It is part of our clubs constitution to never change the strip and rightly so. Many on this forum wouldn't be aware of Mitchell Park's success through the 70's and 80's in the then SAFA, a lot of those old players are still around the club. To change the guernsey because of some modern day aesthetic would be a blight on their contribution to our football community.

In fact, if a player didn't want to play for us because they don't like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway and would be better suited playing for a club with a shorter and less distinct history than the MPFC - but one with a nicer looking strip.

Our recruitment problems are pretty much solely based on population demographic changes, high levels of competition from nearby clubs and our previously poor discipline reputation. The colours would be be a less than 1% factor.

There’s a reason that most AFL clubs update their marketing/branding every few years or so. It is often the first impression a potential player/member gets of the club and it is an important aspect. Sure, there may be reservations at MPFC but surely you can update the Guernsey to make it look half-decent without alienating existing players?

Also, I found it interesting that you said “If a player didn’t want to play for us because they don’t like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway” yet in the previous paragraph you said you would potentially leave if the strip was changed?? Hmm.

[dee man]

sorry to interupt a good discussion on the MPFC JUMPER guys but i really do understand both sides of the argument
the problem with changing the jumper has nothing to do with older players,attracting players what looks good for sponsors and the girls
the club and the players have grown up in an area that has been bagged from pillar to post because of the hertiage of the area since day dot
the one thing constant in the area was the club and what that club meant to the area and people
this GREAT club is founded on respect and pride in everyone assosiated with the club
the jumper has become a badge of honor and while it has had some minor changes it is still basically the same
i had ideas of changing it when i went to the club for the same reasons that you have all mentioned because i did not know about the history and what it meant
i quickly changed my mind
jumpers dont win games or flags or make you any better or worse but its what is in that jumper that does
have the heart and spirit,that wins games and people over,thats what makes a jumper great and a club great
and for what it is worth,MPFC, is a great club

[morell]

Mitchell Park's guernsey is so bad that it has come full circle to be a point of pride for us. As many potential players as we would gain, I reckon as many would leave, including myself, if the guernsey was changed. It is part of our clubs constitution to never change the strip and rightly so. Many on this forum wouldn't be aware of Mitchell Park's success through the 70's and 80's in the then SAFA, a lot of those old players are still around the club. To change the guernsey because of some modern day aesthetic would be a blight on their contribution to our football community.

In fact, if a player didn't want to play for us because they don't like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway and would be better suited playing for a club with a shorter and less distinct history than the MPFC - but one with a nicer looking strip.

Our recruitment problems are pretty much solely based on population demographic changes, high levels of competition from nearby clubs and our previously poor discipline reputation. The colours would be be a less than 1% factor.

There’s a reason that most AFL clubs update their marketing/branding every few years or so. It is often the first impression a potential player/member gets of the club and it is an important aspect. Sure, there may be reservations at MPFC but surely you can update the Guernsey to make it look half-decent without alienating existing players?

There is also a reason why AFL clubs protect and maintain their identity ferociously. The big Vic clubs are absolutely adamant to never change or alter their on field brand. I also find it interesting that Port Adelaide have changed their guernsey more than their underwear, and currently suffer from a significant identity crisis.

As I said before, this isn't all about aesthetics, even I admit its a gaudy mix of colours, but the fact we are discussing it in this thread, and that the colours are reasonably synonymous with Mitchell Park, means it has worth. Personally that worth is something we should protect.

Also, I found it interesting that you said “If a player didn’t want to play for us because they don’t like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway” yet in the previous paragraph you said you would potentially leave if the strip was changed?? Hmm.

Not sure how these two statements are somehow contradictory? "Love it or leave it" - to use a terrible, bogan term.

I love the culture, colours, brand, image and everything about the MPFC. Even the fact that we could have changed it into a modern day cliche neutral colour with a sash type design and bow to what has in the past been significant pressure, but didn't, to me typifies what the MPFC is about. Knowing who we are, not being perfect, but sticking to our guns and ploughing ahead anyway.

My point was - if those things are not attractive to a new recruit then I would struggle to see how they would fit in anyway.

[marbles]

Seems outside people are so passionate about an expansion of MP cos like a diamond in rough everyone loves a little aussie battler

with a few tiny little adjustsments an ongoing so called victim of continual ridicule can immediately become flawless and respected dominant club to a point of consistently giving premierships each and every year a big crack

instead it seems the inside word us outsiders are recieving is...

'we are content to be crap cos we hav always been crap and if we strive for greatness then we are no longer crap and therefore all the crapness of our seasons gone by will forever be lost and no one will stand by us if we make a couple of upgrades to win a premiership. For our fathers and their fathers who once played the mitchell park arena before, we must forever remain crap

hehe

[beeroclock]

Mitchell Park's guernsey is so bad that it has come full circle to be a point of pride for us. As many potential players as we would gain, I reckon as many would leave, including myself, if the guernsey was changed. It is part of our clubs constitution to never change the strip and rightly so. Many on this forum wouldn't be aware of Mitchell Park's success through the 70's and 80's in the then SAFA, a lot of those old players are still around the club. To change the guernsey because of some modern day aesthetic would be a blight on their contribution to our football community.

In fact, if a player didn't want to play for us because they don't like the colours, then with all due respect I doubt they would be the type of character that would add to the group anyway and would be better suited playing for a club with a shorter and less distinct history than the MPFC - but one with a nicer looking strip.

Our recruitment problems are pretty much solely based on population demographic changes, high levels of competition from nearby clubs and our previously poor discipline reputation. The colours would be be a less than 1% factor.

What success in SAFA? You blokes were easy beats in the late 80s.

I was led to believe from the late 70's and early 80's we were pretty competitive in what was then quite an elite comp. Including some A grade flags. I will get a first hand account from someone and the specifics as I wasn't alive!

Well so i had a vision and lucky for you i follow through with it

So all readers, which Mitchell Park guernsey would you prefer to for...



OR....



I smell a premiership jumper here... lol

Maybe sometimes small clubs need a hand

And with so much pride the way they stand theyre a bit of a rough diamond that needs a polish

Which one fella's?

I think you have made a great looking design there marbles, I think there might be a rule that you cant have a majority white guernsey but I'm not sure.

Even though it looks good to me, it's not Mitchell Park. That was my point earlier about our brand and image, when people drive past an oval and we're playing, there is no doubt what club it is! Don't underrate that concept. I will also point out that the strip being beautifully modelled there by Nat and Batesey is our old one, the new one does look a lot better:

Here is a very good looking MPFC player with the newish strip:



There is apparently a proposal to change our shorts this year. Intersting to see what comes of it.

I still maintain the point that changing our colours, guernsey or design will not have any significant outcome for our club and if anything, will have a negative one. Better of spending that money, time and energy on recruiting, skills and new footballs!

I was alive then Morrell.You had some good players in the late 80s. Went head to head with Craig McRae a few times,used to go alright and big mumma Rea was a handful at times. Id say you were successful in the Southern league before taking on the big boys in SAFA. Would always come off with a few sore spots though.

[story of my life]

Seems outside people are so passionate about an expansion of MP cos like a diamond in rough everyone loves a little aussie battler

with a few tiny little adjustsments an ongoing so called victim of continual ridicule can immediately become flawless and respected dominant club to a point of consistently giving premierships each and every year a big crack

instead it seems the inside word us outsiders are recieving is...

'we are content to be crap cos we hav always been crap and if we strive for greatness then we are no longer crap and therefore all the crapness of our seasons gone by will forever be lost and no one will stand by us if we make a couple of upgrades to win a premiership. For our fathers and their fathers who once played the mitchell park arena before, we must forever remain crap

hehe

You have highly developed left hand typing skills