Reasons to Vote "NO"

[smac]

What bothers me most is the cositng, I reckon having football at AO would be great, but the way all this has been costed and apparently funded makes it a little dodgy.

Yes, spending 18 months on value engineering is just not good enough.

[whufc]

What bothers me most is the cositng, I reckon having football at AO would be great, but the way all this has been costed and apparently funded makes it a little dodgy.

Yes, spending 18 months on value engineering is just not good enough.

No reply to Mopar post!!

[smac]

It didn't warrant one.

[Mopar Dog]

It didn't warrant one.

[whufc]

Adelaide Comedy Gold at its best

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/m-ro ... 6087599942

I thought the Casino were paying for the footbridge!

[Gingernuts]

Adelaide Comedy Gold at its best

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/m-ro ... 6087599942

I thought the Casino were paying for the footbridge!

Bloody funny isn't it? Very amusing watching the nuffies get sucked in by The Advertiser's manufactured controversies.

[whufc]

Adelaide Comedy Gold at its best

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/m-ro ... 6087599942

I thought the Casino were paying for the footbridge!

Bloody funny isn't it? Very amusing watching the nuffies get sucked in by The Advertiser's manufactured controversies.

Are you saying there isnt different parties who are disagreeing on where the bridge should go.

[heater31]

Adelaide Comedy Gold at its best

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/m-ro ... 6087599942

I thought the Casino were paying for the footbridge!

Bloody funny isn't it? Very amusing watching the nuffies get sucked in by The Advertiser's manufactured controversies.

Pretty amusing that the "yes" vote continued to promote said bridge yet when one dug a little deeper it wasn't being included in the original half a billion budget. Now it comes out that the money for this major selling point of the project is being taken from another government funded project and now its a squabble where the bloody thing goes

[Gingernuts]

Adelaide Comedy Gold at its best

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/m-ro ... 6087599942

I thought the Casino were paying for the footbridge!

Bloody funny isn't it? Very amusing watching the nuffies get sucked in by The Advertiser's manufactured controversies.

Are you saying there isnt different parties who are disagreeing on where the bridge should go.

The Advertiser advocated for the project until it was approved, and now will milk every minor talking point over the next 4 - 5 years until it is built. It has been a clear and blatant change of tact from them on this project.

I'm saying this is a pretty obvious strategy by The Advertiser - nothing sells a chip wrapper more than controversy over a public project. There may indeed be some robust discussion about the footbridge, as their has been about the car parking.

However in my opinion the deliberate antagonistic tones of reporting in the Addie since the YES vote are about nothing more than drumming up their own business in our wonderful monopolised one paper town.

[Hondo]

Are you saying there isnt different parties who are disagreeing on where the bridge should go.

He is saying that you are getting sucked into the newspaper's tactics and so blindly reposting these articles as though they mean something substantial.

In a major infrastructure project there's going to be different parties wanting things that suit them and not the other. We also have an active Liberal party doing their job as the opposition party as they should be. So often these disputes or negotiations will end up being leaked to the media. Expect it to go on for the next 3 years while it is built.

The Tramline extension had similar media reporting .. "Trams to nowhere!!" and so on. Now it's so popular the infrastructure can't keep up with the demand.

I never thought the Casino were paying for the footbridge anyway.

[Dutchy]

So now the Crows want their game at Adelaide Oval in 2012, further eating into the cricket season..

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/crows-wan ... 6130091049

Also Whicker said tonight on 5AA that the new Western stand now needs modifications with a large media section required and coaches boxes as well. There goes the stand cricket built!

I understand there will be a need to these things but why the hell wouldnt you leave the Western stand alone and put these facilities in the plans for the new stands?????

[Jim05]

So now the Crows want their game at Adelaide Oval in 2012, further eating into the cricket season..

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/crows-wan ... 6130091049

Also Whicker said tonight on 5AA that the new Western stand now needs modifications with a large media section required and coaches boxes as well. There goes the stand cricket built!

I understand there will be a need to these things but why the hell wouldnt you leave the Western stand alone and put these facilities in the plans for the new stands?????

I believe the media has to be on the Western side for football. For Cricket the best footage is from behind the bowlers arm but football needs a side on view. The Eastern side would cop the sun so they cant have the media and camera men looking into the sun

[stan]

What bothers me most is the cositng, I reckon having football at AO would be great, but the way all this has been costed and apparently funded makes it a little dodgy.

Yes, spending 18 months on value engineering is just not good enough.

No reply to Mopar post!!

I dont give a crap about valve engineering as thats just a term used for pretty much cost cutting, but they'll spend more in bullshit consultant costs than what they will save.

And also the design consultants, well the less said about these guys the better.

I have also heard that Baulderstones are the builder.............hopefully they do a better job at this than some of there other projects.

[smac]

Whether or not you give a crap makes no difference to anything. It seems to have reduced the expected costs significantly, which I suspect may have some bearing on you choosing now to 'not give a crap' about it.

In other news, I can confirm that the sky is not falling.

[Booney]

Who were the design consultants stan, to your knowledge?

[Dutchy]

So now the Crows want their game at Adelaide Oval in 2012, further eating into the cricket season..

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/crows-wan ... 6130091049

Also Whicker said tonight on 5AA that the new Western stand now needs modifications with a large media section required and coaches boxes as well. There goes the stand cricket built!

I understand there will be a need to these things but why the hell wouldnt you leave the Western stand alone and put these facilities in the plans for the new stands?????

I believe the media has to be on the Western side for football. For Cricket the best footage is from behind the bowlers arm but football needs a side on view. The Eastern side would cop the sun so they cant have the media and camera men looking into the sun

OK for the normal punters but not for the Media?

Up the back of the stand it isnt going to cop any sun...

[Dutchy]

As they say in the UFC "HERE WE GO!"

50 trees gone, the erosion of the Scoreboard hill has started, wonder if those who votes Yes are having second thoughts...


Century-old trees get the axe
KEVIN NAUGHTON

MORETON Bay fig trees and money have led to a delay of the planned start of Adelaide Oval’s redevelopment.

An expected sign-off on the 80-year lease by the Adelaide City Council hit a snag last night as council members sought changes to the financial arrangements.

Last night’s special meeting of council deferred signing the lease until the next meeting on November 23 after concerns were raised about finances and the loss of around 18 significant trees, including Moreton Bay fig trees more than 100 years old.

“The State Government had marked all the trees with painted dots and we thought it meant they would be preserved, but it turned out that they were marking them as a means of counting them,” Councillor Anne Moran told Indaily.

“It turns out there are around 18 trees, including those beautiful Moreton Bays behind the scoreboard area, that are going.

“We were given this long complex lease document and were expected to sign off on it, but there are a lot of issues we need explained.”

Infrastructure Department CEO Rod Hook confirmed the loss of trees this morning.

“We’ve got more than 50 trees including the 18 significant ones that have to go,” Mr Hook told ABC Radio.

“Two Moreton Bays behind the scoreboard and one on the eastern side of the scoreboard are where a light tower will be so they will be removed.”

City Council acting CEO Mark Sedgman was told to seek a meeting today with Infrastructure Minister Pat Conlon to get answers to a range of queries on the lease.

One councillor, commercial lawyer Mark Hamilton, told the meeting he had a list of amendments that should be made to the 80-year lease.

On the revenue side, council estimates show a loss of $257,000 this financial year and $385,000 in 2012-13 due to the Oval lease.

The council, however, has little room to move.

Under State Parliament’s Adelaide Oval legislation passed in July, the council must agree to a lease within 30 days of a request from the Government – a deadline that expires on Saturday.

When it announced Cabinet approval of the $450 million build last week, the State Government said construction could commence within days of final approval by parliament’s Public Works Committee, which met this morning and was expected to give the project the tick.

Anne Moran said the State Government’s action to mark 18 trees for removal was a signal that it can’t be trusted.

“We said we would go to the trenches on issues such as the Oval name, trees in the core area and the scoreboard, and they gave us assurances on those three things,” she said.

“Yet we now find they have gone to the State Development Assessment Commission already and got approval to knock the trees down.

“What’s next?”

[The Sleeping Giant]

No. 2 trees behind the scoreboard is no big deal. I think you should chain yourself to one dutchy.

[Dutchy]

No. 2 trees behind the scoreboard is no big deal. I think you should chain yourself to one dutchy.

50 not 2, even if it is 2 then the SMA have already broken a promise to SACA members that the trees wont get touched.

[heater31]

Is it too late to piss the AFL off to Victoria Park and build their precious covered stadium?? What a bloody circus this is turning into....