Climate change...

[Q.]

personally I don't believe in it.

A mate who works for the Climate Change mob in Canberra was an advocate for Climate Change and has changed his view. I haven't spoken to him as to why, but my view is that it's cyclical. That may be wrong and am happy to be proven wrong but so far I've heard and seen nothing to change that point of view.

A skeptic writes on undertaking a review of the scientific data:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204422404576594872796327348.html

When we began our study, we felt that skeptics had raised legitimate issues, and we didn't know what we'd find. Our results turned out to be close to those published by prior groups. We think that means that those groups had truly been very careful in their work, despite their inability to convince some skeptics of that. They managed to avoid bias in their data selection, homogenization and other corrections.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Sky Pilot. How is this years crops looking? A couple of seasons ago, I had never seen better grain crops in my life.

[Pseudo]

Sky Pilot. How is this years crops looking?

[tipper]

Sky Pilot. How is this years crops looking? A couple of seasons ago, I had never seen better grain crops in my life.

from what i have been told (i have several friends who are farmers in the mallee, so this may not be relevant to other farming areas) the crops this year are ok, not as good as last year, they missed out on any rain through the middle of winter which hurt the crops a bit, but they are getting some rain lately, and if it continues it will be a reasonable season. could still be better though (although you can never seem to find a happy farmer.....)

[Q.]

Sky Pilot. How is this years crops looking? A couple of seasons ago, I had never seen better grain crops in my life.

Depends where you are. South of Yorke is struggling a bit, while top of Yorke is doing really well. The Plains and mid-North seem to be booming though. The EP varies, while the Mallee region is only average.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Sky Pilot. How is this years crops looking?

Climate controlled these days.

[Psyber]

According to the voting pattern at the head of this thread, 38% of SAFooty posters believe in climate change and 62% either doubt it or disagree with it. Given that Bob Brown's Labor party probably owns the site what does that say about the scientific credibility of the research we average norms in the street are being asked to cop.

Twisting the poll to suit your agenda? Applying your logic, one could say that 45% don't believe in climate change while the other 54% disagree or doubt that opinion.
Leave out those who have not made up their mind and it's 45% vs 37%.
EDIT: I just realised that the poll only adds up to 99%

Maybe it is in resonance with my ambivalence about he question and the answer.
I originally voted "Don't believe" but would now like to say "Human activity is responsible for some of the climate change but is not the sole factor.".
In fact I don't think it is yet the major factor, but think it could become more so with time if we don't do something realistic about actual emission levels of CO2 and other pollutants.

[Sky Pilot]

Sky Pilot. How is this years crops looking?

that's an outrageous innuendo. Poor taste

[Psyber]

personally I don't believe in it.

A mate who works for the Climate Change mob in Canberra was an advocate for Climate Change and has changed his view. I haven't spoken to him as to why, but my view is that it's cyclical.
That may be wrong and am happy to be proven wrong but so far I've heard and seen nothing to change that point of view.

I started out in the same position: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
But after looking up some of the data "fish" offered in another thread, and personally checking the comparability of CO2 levels from two sampling methods in the same region (Vostok) with two academic staff at the Environment Institute at the Uni of Adelaide I'd met, I am satisfied there is a human contribution on top of the cycles which needs correcting. I just don't think anything short of a world wide move to nuclear power is going to achieve enough, nor that a Carbon Tax or ETS will have any real effect.

Interesting Bangladesh has recently arranged to buy a nuclear power station from the Russians.
I'd rather we, or even India which has developed the technology while we were asleep, were selling them safer Thorium Fission.

[Jimmy_041]

personally I don't believe in it.

A mate who works for the Climate Change mob in Canberra was an advocate for Climate Change and has changed his view. I haven't spoken to him as to why, but my view is that it's cyclical.
That may be wrong and am happy to be proven wrong but so far I've heard and seen nothing to change that point of view.

I started out in the same position: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
But after looking up some of the data "fish" offered in another thread, and personally checking the comparability of CO2 levels from two sampling methods in the same region (Vostok) with two academic staff at the Environment Institute at the Uni of Adelaide I'd met, I am satisfied there is a human contribution on top of the cycles which needs correcting. I just don't think anything short of a world wide move to nuclear power is going to achieve enough, nor that a Carbon Tax or ETS will have any real effect.

Interesting Bangladesh has recently arranged to buy a nuclear power station from the Russians.
I'd rather we, or even India which has developed the technology while we were asleep, were selling them safer Thorium Fission.

Ditto

[Q.]

A by-product of the Carbon tax is to fund development, improvement, implementation of renewable energy sources. There is an opportunity to catch a ride on the inevitable solar energy boom and it would be unforgivable if we weren't the forerunners.

[Sky Pilot]

Phew!!!
The problem is over. It is solved. Australia will save the world - thank God for Bob Brown and his Green's. Step aside Julia the REAL leader has spoken today.

[Gozu]

Phew!!!
The problem is over. It is solved. Australia will save the world - thank God for Bob Brown and his Green's. Step aside Julia the REAL leader has spoken today.

For the record SP publicly admits he watches Fox News.

A 2010 Stanford University survey found "more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists’ claims about global warming, [and] with less trust in scientists".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_C ... troversies

Journalists at Fox News were under orders to cast doubt on any on-air mention of climate change, a leaked email obtained by a media monitoring group revealed today.

According to the email, obtained by Media Matters, Fox News's Washington bureau chief, Bill Sammon, imposed an order to make time for climate sceptics within 15 minutes of the airing of a story about a scientific report showing that 2000-2009 was on track to be the hottest decade on record.

Media Matters said the bureau chief's response to the report exhibited a pattern of bias by Fox News in its coverage of climate change.

It also noted the timing of the directive. The email went out on 8 December last year, when the leaders of nearly 200 countries met in Copenhagen to try to reach a deal on climate change.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... ange-email

[Sky Pilot]

Phew!!!
The problem is over. It is solved. Australia will save the world - thank God for Bob Brown and his Green's. Step aside Julia the REAL leader has spoken today.

For the record SP publicly admits he watches Fox News.

A 2010 Stanford University survey found "more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists’ claims about global warming, [and] with less trust in scientists".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_C ... troversies

Journalists at Fox News were under orders to cast doubt on any on-air mention of climate change, a leaked email obtained by a media monitoring group revealed today.

According to the email, obtained by Media Matters, Fox News's Washington bureau chief, Bill Sammon, imposed an order to make time for climate sceptics within 15 minutes of the airing of a story about a scientific report showing that 2000-2009 was on track to be the hottest decade on record.

Media Matters said the bureau chief's response to the report exhibited a pattern of bias by Fox News in its coverage of climate change.

It also noted the timing of the directive. The email went out on 8 December last year, when the leaders of nearly 200 countries met in Copenhagen to try to reach a deal on climate change.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... ange-email

What a joke!!!!!
Media Matters - hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaaa. My Burmese cat is smarter and straighter than their whole organisation

[Jimmy_041]

Naughty SP - watching radical, fundamentalist media.

[fish]

Tony Abbott has finally got what he wanted:

[Barto]

At least Tony agrees. Phew.

[fish]

personally I don't believe in it.

A mate who works for the Climate Change mob in Canberra was an advocate for Climate Change and has changed his view. I haven't spoken to him as to why, but my view is that it's cyclical. That may be wrong and am happy to be proven wrong but so far I've heard and seen nothing to change that point of view.

gadj1976 here is what the latest science is telling us:

It is beyond reasonable doubt that human activities – the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation – are triggering the changes we are witnessing in the global climate.

A very large body of observations, experiments, analyses, and physical theory points to increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere – with carbon dioxide being the most important – as the primary cause of the observed warming.

Increasing carbon dioxide emissions are primarily produced by the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, as well as deforestation.

Natural factors, like changes in the Earth’s orbit or solar activity, cannot explain the world-wide warming trend.

[fish]

Phew!!! The problem is over. It is solved. Australia will save the world.

SP I assume you're only joking but no single country, Australia included, can solve the problem of human induced climate change on it's own.

All we can really do is cut our fair share of emissions and lead by example so that other countries do their fair share too. This is exactly what putting a price on carbon does.

[southee]

Phew!!! The problem is over. It is solved. Australia will save the world.

SP I assume you're only joking but no single country, Australia included, can solve the problem of human induced climate change on it's own.

All we can really do is cut our fair share of emissions and lead by example so that other countries do their fair share too. This is exactly what putting a price on carbon does.

Sorry Fish.....Massive emissions of approx. 1.4 % of the world. No other country with follow this.

Gillard sells herself out to the Greens.....we are saved!!!!

All Hail Queen Gillard!!!

It is still IMO the biggest "con" we have seen in this country.