Qantas' entire fleet grounded

[Dirko]

A thought to ponder ... why is there apparently no heat on Jetstar or Virgin when they don't match the employment conditions (i.e.. inferior) to Qantas? ... amazing considering Jetstar is a a subsidiary of Qantas.

Completely different scenarios.

Virgin are still relevant new comers to the industry in Australia as are Jetstar.

Doesn't mean a thing that Jetstar are a subsidiary of Qantas. Plenty of companies out there that have different arms/subsidiaries etc and they'd all be on different conditions/wages.

When you start a new business, you state the conditions, pay structure etc and then get people to work for you. If they agree with the conditions then they jump on. Easy. If they don't they knock back the job.

[Footy Chick]

Safety should be a priority shouldn't it ? It's an airline so you expect first class safety.I am certain that have sent some work off shore and then we saw a wave of safety issues hit Qantas yet never did before.

Been doing it for at least 8 years to the best of my knowledge, probably not to the exent they do now though..My ex is/was an engineer based in Sydney and quite often had to go overseas to oversee/check off repairs on grounded planes.


He was on $100k back then (2003) just to give you a bit of an idea...

[RustyCage]

ummm, I don't think so ... again, that's what the bovver boys wish you to believe

No since Qantas maintenance started to be outsourced, there have been issues.

[RustyCage]

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worlds-best-airline-named-as-qantas-slips-in-rankings-20110623-1ggew.html

Qantas has again slipped down the rankings of the world's best airlines in the annual Skytrax World Airline Awards, but remains in the top 10.
Qantas was named the world's eighth-best airline, down from number seven in last year's awards. The airline has dropped every year since 2008, when it was named the world's third-best carrier.

[Brucetiki]

Gotta love the stranded people crying to the media 'what about me, it isn't fair'

[RustyCage]

Gotta love the stranded people crying to the media 'what about me, it isn't fair'

well no matter who is to blame, it isn't fair on the people stranded. Many booked a long time in advance and they are caught up in the middle of it. I flew Qantas last weekend, and I was booked months ago before the worst of the industrial action started.

[RustyCage]

Most of the "poor me" from passengers is caused by the line of questioning from the journalists, many of whom wouldn't be out of place on Today Tonight or ACA

[bulldogproud2]

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worlds-best-airline-named-as-qantas-slips-in-rankings-20110623-1ggew.html

Qantas has again slipped down the rankings of the world's best airlines in the annual Skytrax World Airline Awards, but remains in the top 10.
Qantas was named the world's eighth-best airline, down from number seven in last year's awards. The airline has dropped every year since 2008, when it was named the world's third-best carrier.

Down to number eight in terms of best overall airline but out of the top ten completely in terms of safety. Safety issues have been a big concern at QANTAS since 2008 when the majority of airline maintenance was outsourced and sent offshore.

[bulldogproud2]

A thought to ponder ... why is there apparently no heat on Jetstar or Virgin when they don't match the employment conditions (i.e.. inferior) to Qantas? ... amazing considering Jetstar is a a subsidiary of Qantas.

The reason that the QANTAS pilots were taking action was to improve the pay and conditions of Jetstar pilots. QANTAS are in charge of pay and conditions of Jetstar employees but unfairly grant their pilots lower pay.

[Dirko]

Gotta love the stranded people crying to the media 'what about me, it isn't fair'

And if you were stranded you'd be throwing streamers and giving away lolly bags.....

[Johno6]

wheres tiger airways when you need em!!

[Wedgie]

I think people are just discriminating against Joyce not because he's gay, not because his bloke is a Kiwi and not because Joyce is Irish but because he's a Geelong supporter! I'd guess that a fair chunk of those baggage handlers are Collingwood supporters!

[Browny25]

I was supposed to be in LA + Vegas

Oh well

[RustyCage]

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worlds-best-airline-named-as-qantas-slips-in-rankings-20110623-1ggew.html

Qantas has again slipped down the rankings of the world's best airlines in the annual Skytrax World Airline Awards, but remains in the top 10.
Qantas was named the world's eighth-best airline, down from number seven in last year's awards. The airline has dropped every year since 2008, when it was named the world's third-best carrier.

Down to number eight in terms of best overall airline but out of the top ten completely in terms of safety. Safety issues have been a big concern at QANTAS since 2008 when the majority of airline maintenance was outsourced and sent offshore.

Thats right, the airline used to have a great reputation internationally for their safety record,not the case now.

[Sojourner]

[Swamp Donkey]

This was sent to me from a QANTAS pilot who is a close friend. FYI


At work tomorrow there is bound to be some 'water cooler' talk about the Qantas grounding. Please speak up and help spread the truth regarding the industrial disputes:

1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.

2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.

3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.

4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!

5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!

[Brucetiki]

Gotta love the stranded people crying to the media 'what about me, it isn't fair'

And if you were stranded you'd be throwing streamers and giving away lolly bags.....

No, I'd be trying to find a solution to my problem. Sitting about complainig about the situation aint going to change anything.

[Mythical Creature]

This was sent to me from a QANTAS pilot who is a close friend. FYI


At work tomorrow there is bound to be some 'water cooler' talk about the Qantas grounding. Please speak up and help spread the truth regarding the industrial disputes:

1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.

2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.

3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.

4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!

5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!

Whilst I don't personally agree with Unions, having just read this and knowing who the mate of Donkey's is that would have sent him this email I have no reason to doubt the facts in this and it really does make Joyce look like a little cock. Thank **** I don't have any money and Im not travelling anywhere at the minute!

[kickinit]

This was sent to me from a QANTAS pilot who is a close friend. FYI


At work tomorrow there is bound to be some 'water cooler' talk about the Qantas grounding. Please speak up and help spread the truth regarding the industrial disputes:

1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.

2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.

3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.

4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!

5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!

The one I don't get about this is number 3. Baggage handlers wanting a 5% increase which is well above the cpi and already 12% above other airlines in AUS . And also wanting the percentage of contractors down. With any new agreement you have to give something to get something.

[woodublieve12]

Gotta love the stranded people crying to the media 'what about me, it isn't fair'

And if you were stranded you'd be throwing streamers and giving away lolly bags.....

No, I'd be trying to find a solution to my problem. Sitting about complainig about the situation aint going to change anything.

pffft... you have no other options when you've spent thousands on an overseas trip!! you just hope your travel insurace covers it! yeah id be rapt.. if my flights got got cancelled befor my honeymon in January, i would have been seething!!!