(Miscellaneous debris)

[Psyber]

Poor Gillard, now the Political left are critisising her getting a designer puppy for her birthday and not for having adopted a dog from a local shelter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6135931188

I've always been puzzled that people regard as a "designer" model what is essentially a cross bred mutt.
That people will pay money for these "breeds" invented by puppy farm marketers is a triumph of hype over reality.
"Breeds" are not usually recognised as genuine breeds until they can breed true to type over several generations.

I find it more disturbing that our PM got a live fluffy "toy" and not a functional breed originally bred for a purpose, like working or hunting.

[smac]

I find it more disturbing that anyone would actually give a shit what dog the PM has.

[Sojourner]

I've always been puzzled that people regard as a "designer" model what is essentially a cross bred mutt.
That people will pay money for these "breeds" invented by puppy farm marketers is a triumph of hype over reality.
"Breeds" are not usually recognised as genuine breeds until they can breed true to type over several generations.

I find it more disturbing that our PM got a live fluffy "toy" and not a functional breed originally bred for a purpose, like working or hunting.

The thing is Psyber, most dog breeds are less than 200 years old and most current breeds were simply cross bred from existing breeds which often led to the orginal breed dying out - the Cocker Spaniel for example was bred from the Field Spaniel and two other Spaniel type breeds, the Kennel club lists some 12 000 Cocker Spaniels and all of 112 Field Spaniels to the point that the original Field Spaniel is now on the endangered list, yet IMO the Field is by far the better dog as a true example of a working Spaniel.

Very few breeds can be proven to have liniages of a thousand or so years or more outside of those that have wolf DNA - The Dalmatian being one notable exception having been discovered to have been painted in the oldest Giza Pyramid which puts the breed at 6-12 000 years old depending on how one dates the pyramids! - Dalmatians also are the only breed to have a human style of kidney system and are the only dogs to get Kidney Stones suggesting that the breed must have evolved in isolation somehow to retain its genetic kidney material. Some Bull Terriers have the same problem yet only for those that have Dalmatian DNA as they were one of the breeds used to make the Bull Terrier!

Some interesting trivia anyway!

[Leaping Lindner]

Poor Gillard, now the Political left are critisising her getting a designer puppy for her birthday and not for having adopted a dog from a local shelter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6135931188

I've always been puzzled that people regard as a "designer" model what is essentially a cross bred mutt.
That people will pay money for these "breeds" invented by puppy farm marketers is a triumph of hype over reality.
"Breeds" are not usually recognised as genuine breeds until they can breed true to type over several generations.

I find it more disturbing that our PM got a live fluffy "toy" and not a functional breed originally bred for a purpose, like working or hunting.

How much working and hunting would a dog get done in downtown Lalor ? Besides poodles are brilliant dogs.

[smac]

For poofs.

[Leaping Lindner]

For poofs.

And Central supporters are all toothless, welfare bludgers, whose missus pops out unwanted kids every 9 months. (Speaking of stereotypes )

[smac]

For poofs.

And Central supporters are all toothless, welfare bludgers, whose missus pops out unwanted kids every 9 months. (Speaking of stereotypes )

We bank on premmies, get out two per annum that way.

[Psyber]

I've always been puzzled that people regard as a "designer" model what is essentially a cross bred mutt.
That people will pay money for these "breeds" invented by puppy farm marketers is a triumph of hype over reality.
"Breeds" are not usually recognised as genuine breeds until they can breed true to type over several generations.

I find it more disturbing that our PM got a live fluffy "toy" and not a functional breed originally bred for a purpose, like working or hunting.

The thing is Psyber, most dog breeds are less than 200 years old and most current breeds were simply cross bred from existing breeds which often led to the orginal breed dying out - the Cocker Spaniel for example was bred from the Field Spaniel and two other Spaniel type breeds, the Kennel club lists some 12 000 Cocker Spaniels and all of 112 Field Spaniels to the point that the original Field Spaniel is now on the endangered list, yet IMO the Field is by far the better dog as a true example of a working Spaniel.

Very few breeds can be proven to have liniages of a thousand or so years or more outside of those that have wolf DNA - The Dalmatian being one notable exception having been discovered to have been painted in the oldest Giza Pyramid which puts the breed at 6-12 000 years old depending on how one dates the pyramids! - Dalmatians also are the only breed to have a human style of kidney system and are the only dogs to get Kidney Stones suggesting that the breed must have evolved in isolation somehow to retain its genetic kidney material. Some Bull Terriers have the same problem yet only for those that have Dalmatian DNA as they were one of the breeds used to make the Bull Terrier!

Some interesting trivia anyway!

Yes, Soj, having been a Dalmatian breeder (and showed them) in the past I am familiar with that.
Though I think the "Dalmatians" in the ancient paintings are not very convincing of being the same breed, but they may possibly be an ancestor.
I did say, "Breeds" are not usually recognised as genuine breeds until they can breed true to type over several generations.
That's how the Doberman was created relatively recently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doberman

[Gozu]

ASIO warns there are concerns extremist may generate a Norwegian style massacre here, David Jean writes.
It was an atrocity that stunned the world.

A gun-wielding psycho opening fire on a group of defenceless teenagers in an act of senseless violence and callous brutality.

Anders Breivik slaughtered 69 mostly teenagers on the Norwegian island of Utoya on July 22 this year.

They were among hundreds attending a camp of the Workers' Youth League, an arm of Norway's governing Labour Party.

Earlier that day Breivik had bombed government buildings in Oslo, killing eight people. His motives quickly became clear.

Breivik, a Christian and right-wing extremist, confessed to his "atrocious but necessary" actions. He said the purpose of the attack was to save Norway and Western Europe from a Muslim takeover, and that the Labour Party had to "pay the price" for "letting down Norway and the Norwegian people".

also:


Prof Williams said right-wing extremist groups had been an issue in Australia for many years.

However, most of the harm they had caused until now was among themselves.

While groups such as the Patriotic Youth League and Blood and Honour were active during the Cronulla riots during 2005, none had spawned a tragedy such as the one that unfolded in Norway in July.

That didn't mean it couldn't happen in the future.

"The sort of thing that occurred in Norway was to some extent a resentment of immigrants," Prof Williams said. "I think in particular there are certainly people in Australia who resent Muslim immigration.

"There are certainly people like Breivik in Australia.

"It is a matter of really keeping an eye on people like that and taking pre-emptive action if it is necessary.

"But I certainly think there are people capable of that.

"You've only got to look at people like Martin Bryant, and (Julian) Knight in Melbourne. They weren't politically motivated, they were just nut cases.

"But there are plenty of right-wing nut cases around as well."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/extr ... 6165251691

[Media Park]

Can't see where it's been mentioned on here already, and apologies if I missed it...

The Government today was going to vote through a piece of legislation to keep the asylum seeker deal ( Malaysia ) going, until WA cross bencher ( blanked on Independent or other ) Tony Crook stated publicly that he would be voting against it ( In the minority government they were banking on his vote ), so the government decided not to bring it to a vote, and just scrapped the bill.
It would have been the first time in eighty-odd years since a sitting government had something summarily voted down ( according to the news ).

If the government cannot guarantee clear passage of bills through the parliament, do they really have a mandate to govern the country?

[GWW]

If the government cannot guarantee clear passage of bills through the parliament, do they really have a mandate to govern the country?

I don't think its happened before, but I can't see the Governor General forcing an election.

I think if it was a "supply" bill (money bill) that was defeated, there is a convention that an election is to be called.

[best on hill]

Can't see where it's been mentioned on here already, and apologies if I missed it...

The Government today was going to vote through a piece of legislation to keep the asylum seeker deal ( Malaysia ) going, until WA cross bencher ( blanked on Independent or other ) Tony Crook stated publicly that he would be voting against it ( In the minority government they were banking on his vote ), so the government decided not to bring it to a vote, and just scrapped the bill.
It would have been the first time in eighty-odd years since a sitting government had something summarily voted down ( according to the news ).

If the government cannot guarantee clear passage of bills through the parliament, do they really have a mandate to govern the country?

in all fairness MP both the lib/nat and labor needed the greens/ints to govern the country. so if the libs/nat got in they would have had the same problems passing bills through.

[Q.]

Finally getting a price on carbon after more than a decade since the concept was first raised in parliament, which was followed by the blocking of inhumane asylum seeker policy. Seems the country is running beautifully

[best on hill]

Finally getting a price on carbon after more than a decade since the concept was first raised in parliament, which was followed by the blocking of inhumane asylum seeker policy. Seems the country is running beautifully

and i saw on the bottom of the abc screen that unemployment has dropped.

i havent seen the sky falling as yet, even though the media and the reich sorry right will have every body believe it is

[Sojourner]

ASIO warns there are concerns extremist may generate a Norwegian style massacre here, David Jean writes.
It was an atrocity that stunned the world.

A gun-wielding psycho opening fire on a group of defenceless teenagers in an act of senseless violence and callous brutality.

Anders Breivik slaughtered 69 mostly teenagers on the Norwegian island of Utoya on July 22 this year.

They were among hundreds attending a camp of the Workers' Youth League, an arm of Norway's governing Labour Party.

Earlier that day Breivik had bombed government buildings in Oslo, killing eight people. His motives quickly became clear.

Breivik, a Christian and right-wing extremist, confessed to his "atrocious but necessary" actions. He said the purpose of the attack was to save Norway and Western Europe from a Muslim takeover, and that the Labour Party had to "pay the price" for "letting down Norway and the Norwegian people".

also:


Prof Williams said right-wing extremist groups had been an issue in Australia for many years.

However, most of the harm they had caused until now was among themselves.

While groups such as the Patriotic Youth League and Blood and Honour were active during the Cronulla riots during 2005, none had spawned a tragedy such as the one that unfolded in Norway in July.

That didn't mean it couldn't happen in the future.

"The sort of thing that occurred in Norway was to some extent a resentment of immigrants," Prof Williams said. "I think in particular there are certainly people in Australia who resent Muslim immigration.

"There are certainly people like Breivik in Australia.

"It is a matter of really keeping an eye on people like that and taking pre-emptive action if it is necessary.

"But I certainly think there are people capable of that.

"You've only got to look at people like Martin Bryant, and (Julian) Knight in Melbourne. They weren't politically motivated, they were just nut cases.

"But there are plenty of right-wing nut cases around as well."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/extr ... 6165251691

Pretty sure there are no shortage of left wing lunatics that have no problems acting like extremists just as much as Right wingers may, Pol Pot comes to mind as a Left wing Communist that slaughtered thousands of people for example.

[Sojourner]

[Gozu]

"Herald Sun SHOCK EXPOSE: Political people have political beliefs and sometimes express them publicly!":

Another Herald Sun beatup on the Occupy Melbourne protest, this time bashing the Greens because someone on their payroll might have been involved (HOW OUTRAGEOUS). The Hun’s headline?

Yes, I’m sure they ran a similar headline about the Liberal Party members (taxpayer funded!) involved in the anti-carbon price rallies earlier in the year. “Taxpayers finance Liberal Party protest adviser” – you remember that headline, don’t you? I don’t, but I’m sure they ran it for consistency.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... -publicly/

[The Sleeping Giant]

The Greens involved in the occupy protests? Surprising.

[Q.]

The Greens involved in the occupy protests? Surprising.

A Green. I'm surprised more weren't involved given the underlying philosophy of the Occupy Movement.

[RustyCage]

The Greens involved in the occupy protests? Surprising.

A Green. I'm surprised more weren't involved given the underlying philosophy of the Occupy Movement.

Saw their protests in Melbourne last week, had no idea what they were protesting about, was just a bunch of random signs, and there were only about 40 people involved. The "rent a protester" must have come later.