Tribunal discussion/views/debate

[Aerie]

As much as it's potentially good for the Eagles that Sutherland does get suspended for a match, I completely disagree with it. A disgraceful decision and I would be very disappointed if he does go for a week for what looked like on the replay a fair bump that didn't even hit the player front on or high.

As for Campbell, there have been plenty of similar situations where a player has gone for weeks for what he did. I don't necessarily agree with it neither as Campbell was going for the ball, but that was clearly more dangerous than Sutherland's bump given the South player had his head over the ball.

[CK]

I've seen the Campbell footage from a number of different angles and am amazed at this.

When I was growing up, we were taught to put our head over the ball and go in hard for it.

Nowadays, the player who goes in hard for the ball runs the risk of being leapt upon, and then being pinged for holding the ball as a result. In a contested situation, the second player to arrive at the contest now has to be careful that, if the first player has slipped over, not to contact him at all, in case it's deemed a head high bump.

The current interpretations are asking players to change the ingrained habits they have had drummed into them, from the first days of junior football. Players can no longer play on instinct, in case they run the risk of being reported, and have to change their style of play to avoid the possibility of a report.

[whufc]

The SANFL tribunal is a f**king joke, he clearly doesnt make contact with the head which imho is no suspension. If he had hit the head i would have happily accepted 1-2 maybe even 3 with a bad record BUT no one i know who has seen the footage thinks he made contact to the head.

[Wedgie]

The SANFL tribunal is a f**king joke, he clearly doesnt make contact with the head which imho is no suspension. If he had hit the head i would have happily accepted 1-2 maybe even 3 with a bad record BUT no one i know who has seen the footage thinks he made contact to the head.

The decision against the North player a couple of years ago at Prospect (who it was eludes me but it was in front if the grand stand) showed that if it was the head or not was irrelevent. It merely comes down to the fact if its deemed high or not which includes the shoulders and chest.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Week is fair enough for Sutherland. Max had his head over the ball. Sutherland had other options. Wouldn't be a surprise if the Dogs appeal and win though.

[The Sleeping Giant]

The SANFL tribunal is a f**king joke, he clearly doesnt make contact with the head which imho is no suspension. If he had hit the head i would have happily accepted 1-2 maybe even 3 with a bad record BUT no one i know who has seen the footage thinks he made contact to the head.

The decision against the North player a couple of years ago at Prospect (who it was eludes me but it was in front if the grand stand) showed that if it was the head or not was irrelevent. It merely comes down to the fact if its deemed high or not which includes the shoulders and chest.

Was it Wintle.

[whufc]

Week is fair enough for Sutherland. Max had his head over the ball. Sutherland had other options. Wouldn't be a surprise if the Dogs appeal and win though.

Yeah they are going to appeal apparently especially considering he was given a game for frontal contact (or some wording similar) to which they are pretty certain they will be able to dismiss considering where the contact was made and from the angle he approached the North player.

[whufc]

The SANFL tribunal is a f**king joke, he clearly doesnt make contact with the head which imho is no suspension. If he had hit the head i would have happily accepted 1-2 maybe even 3 with a bad record BUT no one i know who has seen the footage thinks he made contact to the head.

The decision against the North player a couple of years ago at Prospect (who it was eludes me but it was in front if the grand stand) showed that if it was the head or not was irrelevent. It merely comes down to the fact if its deemed high or not which includes the shoulders and chest.

Sorry wedgie how possibly can the chest be high considering in the rules of the game it is NOT high to tackle someone around the chest.

[Hazydog]

The SANFL tribunal is a f**king joke, he clearly doesnt make contact with the head which imho is no suspension. If he had hit the head i would have happily accepted 1-2 maybe even 3 with a bad record BUT no one i know who has seen the footage thinks he made contact to the head.

The decision against the North player a couple of years ago at Prospect (who it was eludes me but it was in front if the grand stand) showed that if it was the head or not was irrelevent. It merely comes down to the fact if its deemed high or not which includes the shoulders and chest.

So confirmation that the "hip & shoulder" is officially dead in all forms?

Using this crieria - a player flying for a mark and making contact with the shoulders, neck or head of his opponent should also be reported.

The game is on the verge of being killed.

[Dutchy]

Campbell just didnt go as low as the SOuth player, thats his only crime IMO

[The Sleeping Giant]

Wrong Jim, Campbell was always going to be in trouble. Would be 3 in AFL. I don't agree with it by the way, but it's been this way for a while now...

To miss a final and a possible Magarey is outrageous

Lol. No chance of winning the MM.

[blueandwhite]

got to say that the Campbell report is a joke,I mean what is a player supposed to do- he was going for the ball-low and made incidental contact with the south player, who happened to have his head in the way.
whats the game coming to.

[Grahaml]

Wrong Jim, Campbell was always going to be in trouble. Would be 3 in AFL. I don't agree with it by the way, but it's been this way for a while now...

To miss a final and a possible Magarey is outrageous

Lol. No chance of winning the MM.

Why not? Allan isn't the dead cert people are suggesting. I think he will and fairly comfortably, but he didn't win the Advertiser award so at least some people don't think he will poll as much as is being mooted.

[gossipgirl]

should be a harsher punishment

[on the rails]

Wrong Jim, Campbell was always going to be in trouble. Would be 3 in AFL. I don't agree with it by the way, but it's been this way for a while now...

To miss a final and a possible Magarey is outrageous

Lol. No chance of winning the MM.

Why not? Allan isn't the dead cert people are suggesting. I think he will and fairly comfortably, but he didn't win the Advertiser award so at least some people don't think he will poll as much as is being mooted.

Not even Barrie Robran won every award going around and lets face it the Advertiser journos lists of best players each week is dodgy at best the majority of the season so I dont think Allan will lose too much sleep not winning an award voted on by journos!

Plus we know you don't rate Allan Grahaml so it will be interesting to see what vitriolic comment spews from your mouth if he wins a third MM to go with another RO Shearman 200 Club award?

[Grahaml]

Not even Barrie Robran won every award going around and lets face it the Advertiser journos lists of best players each week is dodgy at best the majority of the season so I dont think Allan will lose too much sleep not winning an award voted on by journos!

Plus we know you don't rate Allan Grahaml so it will be interesting to see what vitriolic comment spews from your mouth if he wins a third MM to go with another RO Shearman 200 Club award?

*sigh*

Reading a new skill to you is it? Never said I don't rate him, just don't think he's the best player in the comp. And nowhere have I made "virtiolic" comments towards him. Unless he's now been elevated to a position above criticism. I've said very, very clearly I think he'll win comfortably but so many times a red hot favourite hasn't won the award.

Funny you seem so opposed to the views of journos but happy with those of umpires though.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Wrong Jim, Campbell was always going to be in trouble. Would be 3 in AFL. I don't agree with it by the way, but it's been this way for a while now...

To miss a final and a possible Magarey is outrageous

Lol. No chance of winning the MM.

Why not? Allan isn't the dead cert people are suggesting. I think he will and fairly comfortably, but he didn't win the Advertiser award so at least some people don't think he will poll as much as is being mooted.

Jumping to conclusions Graham? I said Campbell wont win the MM, not who would. Not often you would say the umpires are better judges, but when put up against the Advertiser scribes, I'll go with the umps.

Seeing as you brought it up, Allan should romp it in and give the whingers from the Northern suburbs something to moan about.

[Grahaml]

Seeing as you brought it up, Allan should romp it in and give the whingers from the Northern suburbs something to moan about.

So my conclusion was fairly correct then.

Got no issue with Allan winning the medal, nor would most centrals fans. But I don't always subscribe to the theory the medal winner is the best player or further that more medals mean a better player.

Not sure why North fans would be whinging either. Lol.

[on the rails]

Seeing as you brought it up, Allan should romp it in and give the whingers from the Northern suburbs something to moan about.

So my conclusion was fairly correct then.

Got no issue with Allan winning the medal, nor would most centrals fans. But I don't always subscribe to the theory the medal winner is the best player or further that more medals mean a better player.

Not sure why North fans would be whinging either. Lol.

Seriously it is pretty hard to argue that that Allan is not the comps best player or very close to it? What more does he have to do to be considered that? If he isn't who is then?

A lot of people say North is too Allan reliant and he is one man show but he won his first MM in a team that played in a GF and was pretty strong across the board so it not like you can say he had no competition from team mates. Don't people think that his sheer weight of possession and his ability to read and get to the football, his two sided ability, his ability to avoid tackles and set up play from defence, through the centre, into the 50 and sheer gut running warrants some serious consideration rather than this "urban" myth perpuated by the likes of you that he gets cheap outside possessions.

You may be correct in some circumstances re umpire votes and the winner on occasions (very few) is not the best or most dominant player in the comp but they are generally one off year or rarities but you can hardly claim that applies to Allan? The fact he has been in the league for now 5 completed seasons, won the RO Shearman Medal as voted by past SANFL players who have clocked up 200 plus games in each of the past 4 and will most likely win it again and has been in each of his season the leagues biggest possesion gatherer some indication of his ability and should be a triple MM winner.

I rest my case.

[Grahaml]

Seeing as you brought it up, Allan should romp it in and give the whingers from the Northern suburbs something to moan about.

So my conclusion was fairly correct then.

Got no issue with Allan winning the medal, nor would most centrals fans. But I don't always subscribe to the theory the medal winner is the best player or further that more medals mean a better player.

Not sure why North fans would be whinging either. Lol.

Seriously it is pretty hard to argue that that Allan is not the comps best player or very close to it? What more does he have to do to be considered that? If he isn't who is then?

A lot of people say North is too Allan reliant and he is one man show but he won his first MM in a team that played in a GF and was pretty strong across the board so it not like you can say he had no competition from team mates. Don't people think that his sheer weight of possession and his ability to read and get to the football, his two sided ability, his ability to avoid tackles and set up play from defence, through the centre, into the 50 and sheer gut running warrants some serious consideration rather than this "urban" myth perpuated by the likes of you that he gets cheap outside possessions.

You may be correct in some circumstances re umpire votes and the winner on occasions (very few) is not the best or most dominant player in the comp but they are generally one off year or rarities but you can hardly claim that applies to Allan? The fact he has been in the league for now 5 completed seasons, won the RO Shearman Medal as voted by past SANFL players who have clocked up 200 plus games in each of the past 4 and will most likely win it again and has been in each of his season the leagues biggest possesion gatherer some indication of his ability and should be a triple MM winner.

I rest my case.

How good a player is can't be judged quite so easily as that. Take James Boyd. He finished second in the Magarey a few years ago getting a lot of touches. He came to Central and improved as a player but won't get the same touches or MM votes. Interesting though that you qualify you best player statement with "or close to". Even you're not quite so sure that he is.

What do I think Allan could do? Be a bit more attacking with his touches and improve his disposal. He's not the most skilful player in the comp and he does, like it or not, get a fair number of cheap touches. I don't think he gets 40 cheap touches, but too many of them are IMHO.

If he has indeed been the best player in the comp, begs the question why no AFL side has picked him up when Callinan, Philips, Lower, Duigan and Puopolo were at the end of last season.

FWIW I think McKenzie and Thomas are probably the best (outside AFL listed players) right now.