SAAFL Div C6 (2011)

[The Riddler]

The only fair way to do it is to go by the results in the second half of the season. It would be unfair to PAC to give smosh and Salisbury the win seeing seeing all 3 teams didn't win against them

On that basis you are giving two extra wins to SHOC because they won later in the year and it is unfair on ML who have worked their way into third and a double chance. I dont think that you should penalise SMOSH and Salisbury because SHOC didnt have a side until three weeks in, why reward them with a win for coming in late? Trust me, come finals most of the guys at GG would rather see SMOSH out of the five than in it but IMO the fact that they didnt get the chance to beat SHOC the first time round was not thier fault. SMOSH were not in the worst of form in the start of the season so who is to say that SHOC would have won just because they did the second time around. I think treating the two games as SHOC forfeits is the only fair way to do it. If it is unfair to PAC then bad luck, they actually had the chance to play SHOC twice and actually lost.

100% agree!

[double-blue]

The only fair way to do it is to go by the results in the second half of the season. It would be unfair to PAC to give smosh and Salisbury the win seeing seeing all 3 teams didn't win against them

On that basis you are giving two extra wins to SHOC because they won later in the year and it is unfair on ML who have worked their way into third and a double chance. I dont think that you should penalise SMOSH and Salisbury because SHOC didnt have a side until three weeks in, why reward them with a win for coming in late? Trust me, come finals most of the guys at GG would rather see SMOSH out of the five than in it but IMO the fact that they didnt get the chance to beat SHOC the first time round was not thier fault. SMOSH were not in the worst of form in the start of the season so who is to say that SHOC would have won just because they did the second time around. I think treating the two games as SHOC forfeits is the only fair way to do it. If it is unfair to PAC then bad luck, they actually had the chance to play SHOC twice and actually lost.

We had a side ready for round two however SMOSH had a function on and couldn't get a side together as a result. So given that be the case you could argue SMOSH had the chance to play us twice

[schimma]

The only fair way to do it is to go by the results in the second half of the season. It would be unfair to PAC to give smosh and Salisbury the win seeing seeing all 3 teams didn't win against them

On that basis you are giving two extra wins to SHOC because they won later in the year and it is unfair on ML who have worked their way into third and a double chance. I dont think that you should penalise SMOSH and Salisbury because SHOC didnt have a side until three weeks in, why reward them with a win for coming in late? Trust me, come finals most of the guys at GG would rather see SMOSH out of the five than in it but IMO the fact that they didnt get the chance to beat SHOC the first time round was not thier fault. SMOSH were not in the worst of form in the start of the season so who is to say that SHOC would have won just because they did the second time around. I think treating the two games as SHOC forfeits is the only fair way to do it. If it is unfair to PAC then bad luck, they actually had the chance to play SHOC twice and actually lost.

We had a side ready for round two however SMOSH had a function on and couldn't get a side together as a result. So given that be the case you could argue SMOSH had the chance to play us twice

so you think 24 hours is enough notice to have a game. dont think so!! We got told after training on the thursday night. After team selection. If smosh and salisbury dont get the points i dare say it will not be the last you hear of it!!

[TEX07]

The only fair way to do it is to go by the results in the second half of the season. It would be unfair to PAC to give smosh and Salisbury the win seeing seeing all 3 teams didn't win against them

On that basis you are giving two extra wins to SHOC because they won later in the year and it is unfair on ML who have worked their way into third and a double chance. I dont think that you should penalise SMOSH and Salisbury because SHOC didnt have a side until three weeks in, why reward them with a win for coming in late? Trust me, come finals most of the guys at GG would rather see SMOSH out of the five than in it but IMO the fact that they didnt get the chance to beat SHOC the first time round was not thier fault. SMOSH were not in the worst of form in the start of the season so who is to say that SHOC would have won just because they did the second time around. I think treating the two games as SHOC forfeits is the only fair way to do it. If it is unfair to PAC then bad luck, they actually had the chance to play SHOC twice and actually lost.

We had a side ready for round two however SMOSH had a function on and couldn't get a side together as a result. So given that be the case you could argue SMOSH had the chance to play us twice

Regardless of that the draw at the start of the season was for SMOSH to have the bye in round two, there was no mention that SHOC were going to come in and fill that spot, how can SMOSH be held responsible for the fact that SHOC had a side ready at the last minute? If the first two games are counted as SHOC forfiets it will in no way change where SHOC stands on the ladder. All it does is gives both SMOSH and Salisbury a game back that they didnt have. I think this is the fairest way to do it, SHOC cant be given the wins because of the way the results went the second time round. ML will stay where they are in third, SHOC will probably take that spot back this week without playing, ML have FP and should drop this one, SHOC have the gepps cross forfiet. This leaves SMOSH, PAC and Salisbury fighting it out for fifth, I would still think that the way things have gone PAC will still get in on %. SMOSH and Salisbury play each other this weekend with the loser out of the race, PAC have us and Mitcham which they should beat mitcham (i will assume we win). Then Salisbury has ML (ML to win) and SMOSH have FP (FP to win). At the very least giving them the wins from earlier on they get the same chances we all got.

[Trader]

Surprised no one has suggested it gets counted as a draw.

[TEX07]

Surprised no one has suggested it gets counted as a draw.

I did think of that but that is still giving points to SHOC which I think would be unfair, this time on Mawson Lakes and them losing thier double chance they currently have. I am more surprised that this hasnt yet been resolved at this late stage in the season, considering so many teams are involved in the outcome of these two games, maybe the SAAFL at the time didnt think that there would be an issue come finals???

[double-blue]

The only fair way to do it is to go by the results in the second half of the season. It would be unfair to PAC to give smosh and Salisbury the win seeing seeing all 3 teams didn't win against them

On that basis you are giving two extra wins to SHOC because they won later in the year and it is unfair on ML who have worked their way into third and a double chance. I dont think that you should penalise SMOSH and Salisbury because SHOC didnt have a side until three weeks in, why reward them with a win for coming in late? Trust me, come finals most of the guys at GG would rather see SMOSH out of the five than in it but IMO the fact that they didnt get the chance to beat SHOC the first time round was not thier fault. SMOSH were not in the worst of form in the start of the season so who is to say that SHOC would have won just because they did the second time around. I think treating the two games as SHOC forfeits is the only fair way to do it. If it is unfair to PAC then bad luck, they actually had the chance to play SHOC twice and actually lost.

We had a side ready for round two however SMOSH had a function on and couldn't get a side together as a result. So given that be the case you could argue SMOSH had the chance to play us twice

so you think 24 hours is enough notice to have a game. dont think so!! We got told after training on the thursday night. After team selection. If smosh and salisbury dont get the points i dare say it will not be the last you hear of it!!

Didn't say that at all, was just putting up another point of view for discussion

[Trader]

Surprised no one has suggested it gets counted as a draw.

I did think of that but that is still giving points to SHOC which I think would be unfair, this time on Mawson Lakes and them losing thier double chance they currently have. I am more surprised that this hasnt yet been resolved at this late stage in the season, considering so many teams are involved in the outcome of these two games, maybe the SAAFL at the time didnt think that there would be an issue come finals???

While it is harsh on ML, I think we shouldn't be looking at SHOC as the enemy here. They put together a 5th side at late notice to pick up the bye meaning the rest of us can have an extra kick and a catch two times this year, good on them!
Bottom line is a few sides are throwing in forfeits, together with two weeks of bye and the mid-season break, not to mention those of us at clubs with an over-supply of players so have to rotate guys through, I'm very happy SHOC came to the party to give us more footy, cause after all that's why we train and pay our subs, to play!

Agreed it's not great that at this late stage the SAAFL still haven't rulled on this one, and no matter what happens some teams are gonna be disapointed.

[White Unicorn]

The only fair way to do it is to go by the results in the second half of the season. It would be unfair to PAC to give smosh and Salisbury the win seeing seeing all 3 teams didn't win against them

On that basis you are giving two extra wins to SHOC because they won later in the year and it is unfair on ML who have worked their way into third and a double chance. I dont think that you should penalise SMOSH and Salisbury because SHOC didnt have a side until three weeks in, why reward them with a win for coming in late? Trust me, come finals most of the guys at GG would rather see SMOSH out of the five than in it but IMO the fact that they didnt get the chance to beat SHOC the first time round was not thier fault. SMOSH were not in the worst of form in the start of the season so who is to say that SHOC would have won just because they did the second time around. I think treating the two games as SHOC forfeits is the only fair way to do it. If it is unfair to PAC then bad luck, they actually had the chance to play SHOC twice and actually lost.

We had a side ready for round two however SMOSH had a function on and couldn't get a side together as a result. So given that be the case you could argue SMOSH had the chance to play us twice

so you think 24 hours is enough notice to have a game. dont think so!! We got told after training on the thursday night. After team selection. If smosh and salisbury dont get the points i dare say it will not be the last you hear of it!!

Is your president going to beat his chest Schimma? Come on SMOSH were told on Wed night not thursday!!

[kickinit]

I forgot to add to my previous post that I do not think SHOC should be awarded the win I was just saying Smosh and Sailsbury shouldn't get the win. How can you award 6 and 7 a win against 4 placed side when in the first half of the season only GG and Flinders Park beat them. And yes PAC did have 2 chances to beat them but you also had 15 chances to win more games then you have and to be in a better spot then you are.

[TEX07]

Surprised no one has suggested it gets counted as a draw.

I did think of that but that is still giving points to SHOC which I think would be unfair, this time on Mawson Lakes and them losing thier double chance they currently have. I am more surprised that this hasnt yet been resolved at this late stage in the season, considering so many teams are involved in the outcome of these two games, maybe the SAAFL at the time didnt think that there would be an issue come finals???

While it is harsh on ML, I think we shouldn't be looking at SHOC as the enemy here. They put together a 5th side at late notice to pick up the bye meaning the rest of us can have an extra kick and a catch two times this year, good on them!
Bottom line is a few sides are throwing in forfeits, together with two weeks of bye and the mid-season break, not to mention those of us at clubs with an over-supply of players so have to rotate guys through, I'm very happy SHOC came to the party to give us more footy, cause after all that's why we train and pay our subs, to play!

Agreed it's not great that at this late stage the SAAFL still haven't rulled on this one, and no matter what happens some teams are gonna be disapointed.

I was never saying SHOC are the enemy at all, I agree it is great that they were able to put together a 5th side and are competitive in another grade. My point is that they didnt have the side for the first two rounds and then came in late, something that is fair to all the sides but especially the sides that had the bye needed to be done. PAC are the only side that it may seem unfair to because there is a chance that SMOSH may take their place but it to me seems like the most logical decision to make under the circumstances, you cant leave it like it is, you cant give the points to SHOC and you cant disadvantage a side when it wasn't their fault they were given the bye. Maybe a point each is fair, I don't know. If SMOSH beat Salisbury this week or the other way round I think that it wont matter because I think that they both will lose their last games making it irrelevant.

[The Cows]

Hey Tex what is happening with Marshall?? Are you saving him for a finals assault or is he having probs with his hammies?? Not doing recon just haven't seen his name on the team sheets/goalkickers!!

[TEX07]

Hey Tex what is happening with Marshall?? Are you saving him for a finals assault or is he having probs with his hammies?? Not doing recon just haven't seen his name on the team sheets/goalkickers!!

He is fine Cows, he has been away the last few weeks, played about 3 weeks back and kicked 6 for us then went away. He will be back this week. Not a bad time for him to have a few weeks off. It is funny different C grade is to D grade, last season we looked like having a few byes leading into the finals and was hating it because we had such a young side and momentum was important, this year we are an older side who get more value out of the rest. Now hopefully you guys dont smash sides in your next two games

[The Cows]

Hey Tex what is happening with Marshall?? Are you saving him for a finals assault or is he having probs with his hammies?? Not doing recon just haven't seen his name on the team sheets/goalkickers!!

He is fine Cows, he has been away the last few weeks, played about 3 weeks back and kicked 6 for us then went away. He will be back this week. Not a bad time for him to have a few weeks off. It is funny different C grade is to D grade, last season we looked like having a few byes leading into the finals and was hating it because we had such a young side and momentum was important, this year we are an older side who get more value out of the rest. Now hopefully you guys dont smash sides in your next two games

The only problem is that our old bones don't like missing games. Or mine don't!! If you guys end up finishing top will you go for the home final?? Just reading a few older posts and you guys didn't pay for one last year and it was played elsewhere. We can always use Flinders Park if that's the case. Great oval good facilities and nice and close for you guys

[TEX07]

Hey Tex what is happening with Marshall?? Are you saving him for a finals assault or is he having probs with his hammies?? Not doing recon just haven't seen his name on the team sheets/goalkickers!!

He is fine Cows, he has been away the last few weeks, played about 3 weeks back and kicked 6 for us then went away. He will be back this week. Not a bad time for him to have a few weeks off. It is funny different C grade is to D grade, last season we looked like having a few byes leading into the finals and was hating it because we had such a young side and momentum was important, this year we are an older side who get more value out of the rest. Now hopefully you guys dont smash sides in your next two games

The only problem is that our old bones don't like missing games. Or mine don't!! If you guys end up finishing top will you go for the home final?? Just reading a few older posts and you guys didn't pay for one last year and it was played elsewhere. We can always use Flinders Park if that's the case. Great oval good facilities and nice and close for you guys

Dont think that we will buy the home final mate, you beat us there anyway so I rekon a nice neutral ground will do us.

[RedMagpie]

Salisbury successfully gets one of the two wins needed!

[TEX07]

Hey Tex what is happening with Marshall?? Are you saving him for a finals assault or is he having probs with his hammies?? Not doing recon just haven't seen his name on the team sheets/goalkickers!!

He is fine Cows, he has been away the last few weeks, played about 3 weeks back and kicked 6 for us then went away. He will be back this week. Not a bad time for him to have a few weeks off. It is funny different C grade is to D grade, last season we looked like having a few byes leading into the finals and was hating it because we had such a young side and momentum was important, this year we are an older side who get more value out of the rest. Now hopefully you guys dont smash sides in your next two games

The only problem is that our old bones don't like missing games. Or mine don't!! If you guys end up finishing top will you go for the home final?? Just reading a few older posts and you guys didn't pay for one last year and it was played elsewhere. We can always use Flinders Park if that's the case. Great oval good facilities and nice and close for you guys

Looks like it wont matter now Cows, FP should finish on top on % now, we have the forfeit this week so we get a 60 point win but needed to keep PAC scores down yesterday. Really at the end of the day if you had kicked straight earlier on in the year you would have gone undefeated IMO. We have the week off anyway, I would assume we would play probably SHOC on the Sunday in the first week of finals so we get a nice break leading in anyway. Unless, the SMOSH boys can help us out and beat you guys next week, but cant see that happening!

[TEX07]

Salisbury successfully gets one of the two wins needed!

So if you get over the line against ML on the weekend and you are given the points from round 1 say, you would be in and PAC would be out? Has your club made a call to see what is happening there RM?

[Trader]

Salisbury successfully gets one of the two wins needed!

So if you get over the line against ML on the weekend and you are given the points from round 1 say, you would be in and PAC would be out? Has your club made a call to see what is happening there RM?

I heard a call has been made by the SAAFL and that was it will stand as is. They were a bye game so they didn't win, lose or draw, it just stays as is, no game.
PAOC will be the 5th side unless they lose and Salisbury win, or there is a massive turn-around in percentage this week with both teams winning or losing which is basically impossible.

[RedMagpie]

Salisbury successfully gets one of the two wins needed!

So if you get over the line against ML on the weekend and you are given the points from round 1 say, you would be in and PAC would be out? Has your club made a call to see what is happening there RM?

I heard a call has been made by the SAAFL and that was it will stand as is. They were a bye game so they didn't win, lose or draw, it just stays as is, no game.
PAOC will be the 5th side unless they lose and Salisbury win, or there is a massive turn-around in percentage this week with both teams winning or losing which is basically impossible.

From my understanding were making our push, probably far too late, however we are just looking for a fair and just result. From where we have been over the previous two years to where we are now it would be a great eye opener.

Have a very good feeling about Mitcham this week