Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[Q.]

John Howard made decisions on the information he was given by the people who were in control of those things eg: special agents,military heads etc:. JULIAR missled the Australian people knowingly she was always going to introduce a half baked tax. How can she bring this disastrous tax in yet still let some of the biggest polluters in the world get away with it? ie: lead and zinc smelters, power stations, coal mining for eg. she either is fair dinkum and stops it altogether or she scraps the whole thing as it wont make a difference anyway and the rest of the world will pick up our work and trade and they are sitting back laughing at us now running all the way to the bank.

Bulldust. There was absolutely no evidence EVER of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Evidence of Haliburton shares going up though
As for children overboard...well it's pretty obvious isn't it. Reith was caught out at the very first interview he tried to defend it.

It's okay to lie when you're culling a few ragheads and keeping them from entering our country, but don't ******* dare take a few bucks out of my pocket to combat pollution!

[redandblack]

John Howard had a majority in his own right.

Julia Gillard has had to operate with 2 Independents and a Green.

Tony Abbott would have had to do the same. He even offered Wilkie a billion dollars to back him.

Tony Abbott also backed a Carbon Tax and then changed his mind because "circumstances changed",

Obviously he can change his position daily and lie daily, but Julia Gillard has to be judged by different standards.

Are you seriously suggesting that Julia Gillard is the first politician to 'lie'.

[straight talker]

no i am not. yes you are correct JULIAR sold her soul to get in Government which is a huge mistake as the greens will do nothing but ruin the country( they would have us all live like gypsys if they could) and the other two parasites well i think the people of oz knows that they are an incompetent couple thats for sure. Think you will find if and when Liberal step up and win the next election and start sorting out Labors mess AGAIN there will be something in place to take to the people and get rid of these peanuts. Abbott has already stated that and the people of oz wants that as you only have to look at every poll in AUSTRALIA.!!!!

[redandblack]

straight talker( ), take a breath and read what's posted on here with a slightly more open mind. There are many good, intelligent posters who prefer the coalition, but they support their arguments with facts, or at least considered and well-argued positions.

Spouting slogans from shock-jocks doesn't help your argument. Repeating the same unsupported claims doesn't convince anyone.

Today, the Deputy Dircetor of the OECD said that Australians like to whinge and moan that they are not well governed, but he said he can assure them that they certainly are well-governed.

Given current rates for unemployment, interest rates, growth and other key economic indicators are all strong, what grounds do you have for saying that the country is being ruined?

(Apart from slogans or that 'everyone knows it's true)?

[straight talker]

How much money is the country borrowing everyday? what did the Liberal Government inherit last time they come in and took over from Labor? Huge debts,high unemployment,infrastructure ruined. When Labor won the election the Libs had the country in a great position with plenty in the bank and what did Labor do with it? BLEW THE LOT. How many boats have come to the country with Labor in charge compared to the Libs?? costing more and more money.

[straight talker]

Rednblack only a few days ago arguably the worlds finest climate scientist Professor Richard Lindzen (who was even dubbed credible by professional alarmist Tim Flannery) laughed at JULIARS tax. Quote: Theres no disagreement in the scientific community that this will have no impact on climate. it would be nothing for practical purposes and it would be nothing if the whole world did the same."unquote. Of course what is the rest of the world doing? NOTHING.Not a single other nation has a national carbon dioxide tax.

[redandblack]

Australia's debt is miniscule compared to the vast majority of the developed world, st.

Please don't be a stLIAR when you say high unemployment. It's at decades record lows. Infrastructure ruined? Please give some examples and perhaps you've forgotten the National Broadband Network, the biggest infrastructure project for at least 50 years. I'll be interested in your examples of ruined infrastructure, mate.

I'm also not sure how infrastructure gets 'ruined' in 4 years.

The Australian economy is the envy of the world and all you can do is sprout slogans.

As for climate change, do you believe that humans have an effect on it, or are you in Lord Monckton's lot?

[straight talker]

The lack of infrastructure the part i was talking about is all the road and rail projects that Labor promised and did not deliver. Ah good work im glad you brought up the N.B.N have you happened to see the trouble now brewing on the costings of this project in the last day or two or are you like JULIAR and just see what you wish to see? If you really think mans emissions are heating the world catastrophically you are seriously unstable and mislead. If JULIAR was fair dinkum about this tax and really cared about the world she wouldnt have been so gutless and exempted many of the worst polluters like petrol,no tax on farmers and their gassy grass eating animals and she wouldnt give out huge cash handouts to some coal mines,smelters and power stations so they can keep going!

[redandblack]

Ah, thank you, st, you're a climate change denier.

No problem, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's drawing a long bow to then call me 'seriously unstable and mislead (sic)') for having a different opinion.

That puts me in the same company as Malcolm Turnbull, the Opposition spokesman on climate change. No wonder Tony Abbott has gagged him, he's made a strong speech tonight asking for the science to be respected.

I'm not sure if you know this or not, st, but Andrew DOLT, sorry, Andrew BLOT, aaarrggh, Andrew Bolt is also a climate change denier.

Coincidence, eh?

Oh, I notice 'ruined infrastructure' has now become 'a lack of infrastructure".

Tony would be proud of you. Andrew and Rupert ditto.

[straight talker]

yes well the infrastructure that is there is stuffed thats why they said they were going to replace it and also build all the extensions that they promised. Still havnt got back to me on the N.B.N trouble brewing on costing??

[redandblack]

There's no trouble brewing on NBN costs, except by people who haven't read it properly or have an agenda to run.

How about this, though

"Our regular references to their [India and China's] emissions and 'Why should we do anything until the Chinese and the Indians do something' - they find those references incredibly galling," he said.

"How incredibly embarrassing statements like that are when you actually confront representatives of those countries."

What do you think about that statement?

[redandblack]

Well, guess what!

I doubt we'll read much about this, but China announces....

China announces plan to reduce carbon emissions
Stephen McDonell reported this story on Friday, July 22, 2011 08:14:00

SHANE MCLEOD: One of the key arguments that the Coalition has used against the Government's carbon pricing plan has been that Australia shouldn't move ahead of other countries.

The argument goes that while countries like China are not doing it neither should Australia.

Europe, New Zealand and even some states in the US have set up carbon trading schemes and Beijing has now released details of its own plans. And our China correspondent Stephen McDonell joins me from Beijing to explain how it will work.

So Stephen exactly where is China at with this proposed scheme?

STEPHEN MCDONELL: Well what China is going to do is to set up a pilot carbon emissions trading project and that this will according to the government gradually become a carbon emissions trading market across the whole country.

[straight talker]

if you believe that you will believe in the tooth fairy!!! PILOT??

[straight talker]

So i guess when JULIAR and Swan says wages wont drop because of this tax they are correct and treasury are wrong? Real wages will fall by about 0.8% by 2020 and about 5.8% by 2050!!

[redandblack]

if you believe that you will believe in the tooth fairy!!! PILOT??

Believe what? The first quote, or the article about China?

PS: Now you're approvingly quoting Treasury, but your Leader says thay haven't got a clue (along with climate scientists, etc, etc, or anyone who disagrees with him).

[straight talker]

Good work because the PM and swan are saying treasury is correct but they also tell us that we wont lose jobs and our wages wont fall so who are we to believe? Can we really believe our PM after the lies she told us before the election? I would not believe china for one second as they are just waiting to get all our work and that is a fact and that will happen.

[redandblack]

st, no worries, you keep on channelling Mr Bolt.

Rupert Murdoch would be pleased

[Leaping Lindner]

Malcolm Turnbill says Hi.

[fish]

...the greens will do nothing but ruin the country (they would have us all live like gypsys if they could)

I have searched high and low and can find no reference that the Greens "would have us all live like gypsys".

Are you able to substantiate this claim st?

[straight talker]

i didnt say it was a claim they made? i cant see that i wrote anything of the sort! That is the way i believe if we listen to them that is the way they would have us live!.