Reasons to Vote "NO"

[Hondo]

Port's crowds are just one part of a complicated financial model when you are comparing the current set-up with AAMI to the future one at the AO. Crowds for Crows games are also dropping alarmingly so to some extent this is an issue about both AFL teams.

I see AO as future-proofing the SANFL from the financial exposure it currently has when crowds at AAMI are down, particularly Port crowds.

That's what I was trying to say to whufc. Don't simplify the AO down into it just being about Port attendances. If the State Govt only wanted to save Port Adelaide it could have donated $5m per year for 107 years before it spent the same amount of money it is spending on the AO. There's a much bigger picture.

I think we should leave the battle with Rucci (which I support BTW) to the threads on the SANFL board.

[whufc]

Interesting a few rumours floating around on the AFL forum that Port will be playing Melbourne at AO this year.

Lot of people on here said it wasnt possible and there was no possible way Port could currently play at AO as it stands. Will be interesting to see if there is any truth to this.

If Port do play at AO this year it adds another reason why we didnt need an AO re-develepment.

[RustyCage]

Interesting a few rumours floating around on the AFL forum that Port will be playing Melbourne at AO this year.

Lot of people on here said it wasnt possible and there was no possible way Port could currently play at AO as it stands. Will be interesting to see if there is any truth to this.

If Port do play at AO this year it adds another reason why we didnt need an AO re-develepment.

It's confirmed as definitely happening

[Hondo]

whufc I think it shows how important the AO redevelopment is if they are now prepared to work around the limitations we mentioned earlier - how important the AO is and where Port are now at with their crowds dropping even further. I heard an AFL official on 5AA on the air earlier this year say an AFL game at AO would never happen until the redevelopment happened. If it happens and it is a success if anything I think the redevelopment gets a boost doesn't it? The Crows low point crowd is about close to AO current maximum capacity.

[whufc]

whufc I think it shows how important the AO redevelopment is if they are now prepared to work around the limitations we mentioned earlier - how important the AO is and where Port are now at with their crowds dropping even further. I heard an AFL official on 5AA on the air earlier this year say an AFL game at AO would never happen until the redevelopment happened. If it happens and it is a success if anything I think the redevelopment gets a boost doesn't it? The Crows low point crowd is about close to AO current maximum capacity.

I think its proves we dont need to spend 500 million on an upgrade when Port can already play home games there and the Crows could play the lower ranked sides there as well.

Once again the South Australian public were sucked in by the Advertiser and media campaign ran in this state.

And no doubt it will be a success when it first happens just like football park was all those many years ago.

Like i said from day 1 there is NOTHING stopping AFL football from being played at AO as it currently stands.

It would be like the NAFC spending 500k to increase the current capacity at Prospect.

[Hondo]

whufc we can't afford to keep persisting with AAMI, even for just another 5 years beyond 2014 while we wait for the brand new stadium, unless we want the AFL to step in and completely take over footy in this state.

I'd say some AFL money will urgently get kicked to the AO to patch over the basic current limitations but it doesn't mean it is ready for 22 AFL games per year.

One match at AO doesn't prove anything about the redevelopment either way. It's a way to test the water and it shows the dire staights this has all got to but that's it. AO as it currently stands can barely take the low point Crows crowd and forcing the SANFL to maintain AAMI (and denying the SACA access to AFL games) is not the answer unless you've missed today's news?

I think you miss the point that it's AAMI Stadium (driven from declining AFL crowds - Port mostly but also Crows) that is slowly killing the SANFL's financial position. The AFL have shown they will financially support the PAFC but even with that support the stadium yields even from all AFL games at AAMI are dying. I have lots of good memories of games at AAMI Stadium so it's sad but it is what it is.

[smac]

I think the trees and hill need to go, too many shadows to jump at in there.

[Mr Beefy]

When the original proposal, or one of them, was put forward was there a suggestion that the clubs get a clean stadium at Adelaide Oval to seel their own advertising? Is this still the case?

[whufc]

I find it a tad difficult to believe AO is not up to or cant temperarily be up to an AFL broadcast when AFL premiership games have been played at Manuka, Aurora Stadium and Darwins TIO Stadium.

Are there corporate box facilities in either the new Western stand or the Chappell stands (ie, for side on views) .... I actually don't know about the new Western stands.

Is there room for the side on coaches boxes to AFL standard?

Where in the Western stands do the TV networks have room to do what they need to do?

Are the changerooms up to speed?

It's one thing to play the occasional game in a non-footy state like Darwin and make do in front of 10,000 people it's another thing when you actually have a stadium up to AFL requirements up the road that can take 20,000 more people (when we know the AO struggles with 30,000 crowds as is). I think the AFL are prepared to be more lenient in the non footy states. Here, they have said the AO as it is now will never host an AFL game and I can understand why.

Another lie you were seduced by!!!!

[AFLflyer]

oy naysayers!!
get over it, move with the times and for God sake STOP WHINGING.
i'm looking forward to this round 24 clash as a paying neutral supporter. i reckon they will get 25-30k turning up

[Dissident]

Easily.

[Hondo]

Another lie you were seduced by!!!!

Whether or not the AO in it's current form could host the occasional AFL game wasn't a show stopper for me one way or the other

It's whether it can host 22 AFL games (11 Crows, 11 Power) + finals if required in it's current form

[Mopar Dog]

oy naysayers!!
get over it, move with the times and for God sake STOP WHINGING.
i'm looking forward to this round 24 clash as a paying neutral supporter. i reckon they will get 25-30k turning up

A crowd of 28,000 to adelaide oval for a Port AFL game.

Thats incredibly good, Id spend $800 mill for that.

[AFLflyer]

oy naysayers!!
get over it, move with the times and for God sake STOP WHINGING.
i'm looking forward to this round 24 clash as a paying neutral supporter. i reckon they will get 25-30k turning up

A crowd of 28,000 to adelaide oval for a Port AFL game.

Thats incredibly good, Id spend $800 mill for that.

that's for the game this year in round 24 (and yes that will be a 10K improvement on this years figures), which is very good!
who knows what they will get when new Adelaide oval is up and running.
........think you will find it's budgeted for 535million.

[heater31]

........think you will find it's budgeted for 535million.

Yes but the hospital was also "budgeted" for 1.7 billion and we are paying a lot more for it now than we the tax payer were expecting.....

Waiting for the day when the SMA put their hands out for more cash from someone

[Mopar Dog]

oy naysayers!!
get over it, move with the times and for God sake STOP WHINGING.
i'm looking forward to this round 24 clash as a paying neutral supporter. i reckon they will get 25-30k turning up

A crowd of 28,000 to adelaide oval for a Port AFL game.

Thats incredibly good, Id spend $800 mill for that.

that's for the game this year in round 24 (and yes that will be a 10K improvement on this years figures), which is very good!
who knows what they will get when new Adelaide oval is up and running.
........think you will find its budgeted for 535million.

I think youll find thats the Gov set budget on the stadium.

The total cost of the project however is in excess of $800 mill ie transport to arena.

sighs at peoples lack of knowledge who think they are experts on this.

[smac]

Bahahaha!

My house cost $X to build, but I factored in the cost of my car to the project because it's how I get there.

[AFLflyer]

oy naysayers!!
get over it, move with the times and for God sake STOP WHINGING.
i'm looking forward to this round 24 clash as a paying neutral supporter. i reckon they will get 25-30k turning up

A crowd of 28,000 to adelaide oval for a Port AFL game.

Thats incredibly good, Id spend $800 mill for that.

that's for the game this year in round 24 (and yes that will be a 10K improvement on this years figures), which is very good!
who knows what they will get when new Adelaide oval is up and running.
........think you will find its budgeted for 535million.

I think youll find thats the Gov set budget on the stadium.

The total cost of the project however is in excess of $800 mill ie transport to arena.

sighs at peoples lack of knowledge who think they are experts on this.

Never said i was an expert mate, just stating the facts. Clearly i look at things much differently than you. that aint a bad thing

[Mopar Dog]

[quote="smac"]Bahahaha!

My house cost $X to build, but I had to factor in the cost of my privately funded underground car park and footbridge to the project. Cos i couldnt afford it at the time and others had to chip in.


Edited for accuracy.

[stan]

What bothers me most is the cositng, I reckon having football at AO would be great, but the way all this has been costed and apparently funded makes it a little dodgy.