Tribunal discussion/views/debate

[bloods08]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

[whufc]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

[bloods08]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

Fair Point to be honest. Not sure it was smart of the female trainer to be in there though.

[Choaty]

A few on SAFooty thought Salter may have to answer for an incident during the game. I didnt see what happened but obviously he has no case to answer.

I watched a replay of this game yesterday, I didn't see anything specific that he should have been reported for.

There was an incident where South had kicked a goal and the ball was heading back to the middle to be bounced and Salter had a free kick paid against him, awarded to the Panther player at CHF, for "punching him in the back" according to the audio from umpire Corey Bowen.

Not sure if that is the 'incident' they are thinking of?

Late in the third was the one I was referring to at half fwd flank. Salter and McLeod were having a wrestle after Salter gave away a free. At the end of their wrestle, Salter delivers a boot to McLeod who is still on the ground. Admittedly closer to a toe poke than a field goal punt, but contact all the same after Bowen asked him to let go of McLeod.
Still, obviously missed or considered light contact by the umps.

[whufc]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

Fair Point to be honest. Not sure it was smart of the female trainer to be in there though.

definatly not, imagine if she gets involved and Lokan accidently hits her with a stray elbow or something.

his reputation is gone forever, imagine the scrutiny it would cop and all the abuse spectators would give him for 'hitting' a girl even though he probably wouldnt have noticed her there.

if anything she should be suspended, her job is to run water and help injured players nothing more!

[JK]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

4. Pay a free kick
5. Lay a report if necessary

If an ump cant control a situation then who can?

[HOORAY PUNT]

6 ) Throw the ball up and call play on.

[whufc]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

4. Pay a free kick
5. Lay a report if necessary

If an ump cant control a situation then who can?

4. yes but then cops alot of abuse for being soft, not in the spirit of the game, who did what first etc etc, how would you pick a free kick out especially if you only pick the incident up halfway through.

5. yes but the report cant be done until the 2 players have stopped fighting, wrestling etc etc.

6. what if the ball is at the other end of the ground.

If two or more blokes want to wrestle and fight who is going to be able 'to control the situation' when have you ever seen the umpire stop 2 blokes from fighting except for when the ball is around the area and they throw it up.

They are umpires not bouncers or security guards. Geez Weslo cant even brake up a fight in the crowd involving 75kg men how is an umpire going to break up a fight between two 80-90kg well toned blokes.

[Big Phil]

whufc, are you sure the fact that you are mates with said umpire Manikas is not clouding your judgement here?

[HOORAY PUNT]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

4. Pay a free kick
5. Lay a report if necessary

If an ump cant control a situation then who can?

4. yes but then cops alot of abuse for being soft, not in the spirit of the game, who did what first etc etc, how would you pick a free kick out especially if you only pick the incident up halfway through.

5. yes but the report cant be done until the 2 players have stopped fighting, wrestling etc etc.

6. what if the ball is at the other end of the ground.
If two or more blokes want to wrestle and fight who is going to be able 'to control the situation' when have you ever seen the umpire stop 2 blokes from fighting except for when the ball is around the area and they throw it up.

They are umpires not bouncers or security guards. Geez Weslo cant even brake up a fight in the crowd involving 75kg men how is an umpire going to break up a fight between two 80-90kg well toned blokes.

Then it would be a race .

[mickey]

was 4 blokes involved, but whos counting

not sure young Terry Milera was much help to Lokan though, just sort of had a handful of jumper and danced around the pack

[whufc]

whufc, are you sure the fact that you are mates with said umpire Manikas is not clouding your judgement here?

Just dont know how people think a 5ft 75kg Greek is going to break a fight between fatdog Lokan and whoever he was fighting with.

Whatever decision he makes im sure plenty of people would have critisied it.

Let boys be boys if they want to waste energy wrestling each other and there is no clear indicator of who a free kick should go to "PLAY ON" the game is over umpired at the best of times.

Sometimes the best decision is NO decision.

And my friendship with him means i normally am looking for any excuse to rip into him and not stick up for him.

For all you umpires out there who saw the fight, What decision would have you made?

[mickey]

What should have happened is that the umpire should, IMO, have made the effort to run/jog over the the "incident" and have a quiet word with all involved, as that is all that this incident needed. (even though there were a couple of good short rights in there )

It shouldnt have been left upto a water boy/girl, who was 100% in the wrong and should have been no where near it.

[whufc]

What should have happened is that the umpire should, IMO, have made the effort to run/jog over the the "incident" and have a quiet word with all involved, as that is all that this incident needed. (even though there were a couple of good short rights in there )

It shouldnt have been left upto a water boy/girl, who was 100% in the wrong and should have been no where near it.

Agree umpire should have a word once the incident is done and dusted and make any reports if necessary.

Will there be an investigation into the water girls actions, very very very dangerous and irresponsible behaviour by her.

[JK]

Just dont know how people think a 5ft 75kg Greek is going to break a fight between fatdog Lokan and whoever he was fighting with.

Lol .. You on the slops again mate?

Seriously, WTF does height, weight and race have to do with anything???

[whufc]

Just dont know how people think a 5ft 75kg Greek is going to break a fight between fatdog Lokan and whoever he was fighting with.

Lol .. You on the slops again mate?

Seriously, WTF does height, weight and race have to do with anything???

I through in the race bit because i know his oldman is sick of people giving him rubbish about being Indian at least get it right people.

How do you want an umpire to 'Break' up a fight between 4 footballers while the ball is at the other end of the ground?

Serious question

[JK]

Well personally I'm always happy to think there's a place for biffo in footy, so I wouldn't want to see it broken up .. But in not sure any league would take the same stance.

If there's a melée or a blue there would be any number of infringements taking place, even as simple as holding the man .. If you pay a free kick and/or 50 and threaten reports (or even take a number) most times you would think it would diffuse a situation .. If not, then yeah I agree there's not much more an ump could do

[whufc]

Well personally I'm always happy to think there's a place for biffo in footy, so I wouldn't want to see it broken up .. But in not sure any league would take the same stance.

If there's a melée or a blue there would be any number of infringements taking place, even as simple as holding the man .. If you pay a free kick and/or 50 and threaten reports (or even take a number) most times you would think it would diffuse a situation .. If not, then yeah I agree there's not much more an ump could do

Totally agree and to the letter of the law every time two players wrestle their should be a free paid as obviusly someone is 'holding the man'. It funny its another case of where the rules change in Aussie Rules depending on the situation of play.

Paying a free kick and or 50 definatly defuses the game BUT how in the hell is an umpire going to correctly pull a free in a 4 man melee, if they do they are just guessing or choosing what they see and would cop more critismn than letting it go.

[Brodlach]

BP- did the scuffle in the port west game get a mention at all by the umps? would have been 100m off the play in front of the mound bar in the 2nd qtr, lasted nearly 30 seconds and got broken up by a female trainer

Not sure mate, I didn't see that one personally but I think Andrew Hayes on Special Comments for LifeFM noticed it. Was Matty Lokan involved?

Good thing SANFL dont have cameras straight down the ground. One minute into the game at the old scoreboard end, Matty Lokan punched Scott Bricknell in the nuts when the ball was at the other end when Bricknell wasnt looking, he was watching the play...gutless!!!

[CENTURION]

That was a funny one. Saw the female trainer in there trying to break it up while Umpire Manikas just stood there 5 metres away and did nothing.

an umpire shouldnt really be touching players should he!

whats he going to do

1/ stand there and keep blowing his whistle
2/ yell at them to break it up while the players ignore him
3/ pay a free kick and get abused for not letting boys be boys etc etc

Fair Point to be honest. Not sure it was smart of the female trainer to be in there though.

definatly not, imagine if she gets involved and Lokan accidently hits her with a stray elbow or something.

his reputation is gone forever, imagine the scrutiny it would cop and all the abuse spectators would give him for 'hitting' a girl even though he probably wouldnt have noticed her there.

if anything she should be suspended, her job is to run water and help injured players nothing more!

she's lucky "Chopper The Copper" Handley wasn't playing!!