Hands off the SANFL - In what way?

[redandblack]

Well, MP, I think it started as an anti-AFL threat response, but might have shifted a bit towards media beat-ups against the SANFL?

Others might have a legitimate different view.

[Mopar Dog]

"The SANFL is under attack again. Since the advent of the Adelaide Crows in 1991 and Port Adelaide Power in 1997 the SANFL has made many sacrifices for a national competition of Australian Rules football. Throughout its history the SANFL had free reign to operate as it saw fit.

Today there are many restrictions placed upon the local grassroots competition and many demands continue to be made as the corporate dollar, the media and television coverage tightens the noose around the SANFL's neck. With both the Crows and Power experiencing financial difficulties it is the SANFL that cops the blame particularly from armchair critics who have never seen a local game of South Australian football.

Now there are calls to destroy the SANFL, hand back the two AFL licenses (the SANFL paid top money for years ago), slash the salary cap, allow the Crows and Power field reserves teams and ultimately denigrate the SANFL into a feeder competition just for the AFL.

The media's focus on the AFL comes at the detriment of the SANFL (despite, at times, just as many punters attend an SANFL round as a Port Power home match), where crowds and interest wane when trivial gossip stories dominate news broadcasts. Last year's SANFL grand final had 35,000 - more than any Port Power home game in recent years!
The SANFL is a great product. It's cheaper to attend, you can stand and share a beer with your mates, your kids can kick the footy on the ground at half time, you can walk onto the oval at 1/4 and 3/4 time to listen to your team huddle, you can find a car park and pay nothing, you don't have advertising forced down your throat, you can show passion and not get admonished by the politically correct, you can buy a pie and drink and not go broke, and afterwards you can walk into the clubrooms and meet your favourite player.

SANFL supporters do not want to see their competition massacred for the convenience of pay TV subscribers nor for the celebrity suits in football headquarters in another State. SANFL supporters have suffered enough and do not want to see their league clubs emulate the poor cousins of second-tier leagues interstate.

The SANFL IS Australia's second-strongest Australian Rules competition in Australia. The SANFL plays Australian Rules not AFL. The SANFL is a proud, strong community-based competition.

Our Pride. Our State. Our Football. Hands Off Our SANFL!"

The emphasis here seems to be about the 'armchair' critics, 'calls for' and media bias IMO.

[The Riddler]

"The SANFL is under attack again. Since the advent of the Adelaide Crows in 1991 and Port Adelaide Power in 1997 the SANFL has made many sacrifices for a national competition of Australian Rules football. Throughout its history the SANFL had free reign to operate as it saw fit.

Today there are many restrictions placed upon the local grassroots competition and many demands continue to be made as the corporate dollar, the media and television coverage tightens the noose around the SANFL's neck. With both the Crows and Power experiencing financial difficulties it is the SANFL that cops the blame particularly from armchair critics who have never seen a local game of South Australian football.

Now there are calls to destroy the SANFL, hand back the two AFL licenses (the SANFL paid top money for years ago), slash the salary cap, allow the Crows and Power field reserves teams and ultimately denigrate the SANFL into a feeder competition just for the AFL.

The media's focus on the AFL comes at the detriment of the SANFL (despite, at times, just as many punters attend an SANFL round as a Port Power home match), where crowds and interest wane when trivial gossip stories dominate news broadcasts. Last year's SANFL grand final had 35,000 - more than any Port Power home game in recent years!
The SANFL is a great product. It's cheaper to attend, you can stand and share a beer with your mates, your kids can kick the footy on the ground at half time, you can walk onto the oval at 1/4 and 3/4 time to listen to your team huddle, you can find a car park and pay nothing, you don't have advertising forced down your throat, you can show passion and not get admonished by the politically correct, you can buy a pie and drink and not go broke, and afterwards you can walk into the clubrooms and meet your favourite player.

SANFL supporters do not want to see their competition massacred for the convenience of pay TV subscribers nor for the celebrity suits in football headquarters in another State. SANFL supporters have suffered enough and do not want to see their league clubs emulate the poor cousins of second-tier leagues interstate.

The SANFL IS Australia's second-strongest Australian Rules competition in Australia. The SANFL plays Australian Rules not AFL. The SANFL is a proud, strong community-based competition.

Our Pride. Our State. Our Football. Hands Off Our SANFL!"

The emphasis here seems to be about the 'armchair' critics, 'calls for' and media bias IMO.

R&B has just been smacked over the fence for 6!

[redandblack]

You might like to think so, TR, but much of the first part of that about threats to the SANFL is just waffle and currently being proven inaccurate.

The second part I tend to agree with, as I always have.

My original post title still stands and there's been nothing factual to alter it, really, except for vague fears.

It looks like the AFL team reserves in the SANFL is no longer an issue, which just strengthens my argument, which has been 'facts v fears'.

[redandblack]

Mopar, I think your conclusion (last line) is on the money.

[CUTTERMAN]

:D

You might like to think so, TR, but much of the first part of that about threats to the SANFL is just waffle and currently being proven inaccurate.

The second part I tend to agree with, as I always have.

My original post title still stands and there's been nothing factual to alter it, really, except for vague fears.

It looks like the AFL team reserves in the SANFL is no longer an issue, which just strengthens my argument, which has been 'facts v fears'.

If you think the AFL reserves teams is no longer an issue then you are fooling yourself

[redandblack]

Well mate, everybody keeps telling me these things, but they never give anything factual to back it up.

So what facts do you have for saying I'm fooling myself on this issue?

All I get are vague statements of impending doom, with nothing to back them up.

[heater31]

All I get are vague statements of impending doom, with nothing to back them up.

Yet if we all sit back and say nothing the the ex AFL players who make the outlandish statements in newspaper columns have their noses in front.

Better to make noise now as it gives off negative reactions which the SANFL will think about the huge public backlash by allowing this outrageous idea to gain traction.

[redandblack]

heater, I've got no problem at all with anyone sticking up for the SANFL.

I agree totally with you about ex-AFL players and their media statements, as well as 'senior journalists' who wouldn't have a clue about the SANFL and who just push their own (incorrect) theories.

All I have ever tried to say is that any threat directly from the AFL is more just perception than reality and there has been very little fact put forward to rebut that, but a lot of vague threats about our competition being destroyed.

This hasn't been a popular theory, to say the least, but that's my opinion.

I think the SANFL is healthy and a great competition.

[heater31]

Well let's keep it that way.

Far better to be proactive than reactive once the hidden agenda commentators have got their foot in the door

[Mopar Dog]

:D

You might like to think so, TR, but much of the first part of that about threats to the SANFL is just waffle and currently being proven inaccurate.

The second part I tend to agree with, as I always have.

My original post title still stands and there's been nothing factual to alter it, really, except for vague fears.

It looks like the AFL team reserves in the SANFL is no longer an issue, which just strengthens my argument, which has been 'facts v fears'.

Again, I think you're starting from a wrong assumption. The Hands Off Campaign say very little about any direct AFL 'threat', with only one bit referring to the suits in another state. Its mainly about the attacks from other sectors, mainly the media and ill-informed SA based AFL fans, and that this has happened is undeniable (as you accept.)

If you start from this POV, there is nothing to prove.

[CUTTERMAN]

Well mate, everybody keeps telling me these things, but they never give anything factual to back it up.

So what facts do you have for saying I'm fooling myself on this issue?

All I get are vague statements of impending doom, with nothing to back them up.

Facts are that the 2 WA AFL clubs are making another submission to the WAFL & WAFC for reserves teams. The same drums are rumbling over here. My point is that you've accepted that just because Whicker has said "no", you think that is the end of it. It isn't the end of it, the 2 SA AFL clubs will almost definitely make submissions to get their own reserves teams.
Why do you keep asking for facts? I gave an opinion, it's my take on things from information I've read, as I don't believe everything I read I form an opinion.
If we were both on a train track and I could hear there was a train coming I'd form my opinion, tell you I thought there was a train coming and get off the track, you'd be standing there saying "yes but I need facts Cutterman, where are the facts, I understand what you're trying to say Cutterman but as yet I don't have any facts". Then when you finally work it out it's too late and you're splattered! And the last thing you would've though was, " if only I listened to Cutterman earlier!

[redandblack]

This is the first post I made to start this thread, Cutterman.

I agree totally with the sentiments of all of us who don't want interference with our league, but I'm still confused as to what we're actually protesting about.

The WAFL have resoundingly rejected the Reserves proposal and I don't know of anything else that's threatening us, except for the misinformed and irrelevant ramblings of Michelangelo Rucci pushing his own agenda.

So I'm interested in factual reasons why we think there's a threat, as opposed to just anti-AFL rants.

That's all I've been saying. Nothing has happened and IMO will happen in the near future to change that.

I respect your opinion and don't think we disagree all that much, so how about we agree to disagree about an impending threat of Reserves teams?

[Jimmy]

Great post mopar dog,

"The SANFL is under attack again. Since the advent of the Adelaide Crows in 1991 and Port Adelaide Power in 1997 the SANFL has made many sacrifices for a national competition of Australian Rules football. Throughout its history the SANFL had free reign to operate as it saw fit.

Today there are many restrictions placed upon the local grassroots competition and many demands continue to be made as the corporate dollar, the media and television coverage tightens the noose around the SANFL's neck. With both the Crows and Power experiencing financial difficulties it is the SANFL that cops the blame particularly from armchair critics who have never seen a local game of South Australian football.

Now there are calls to destroy the SANFL, hand back the two AFL licenses (the SANFL paid top money for years ago), slash the salary cap, allow the Crows and Power field reserves teams and ultimately denigrate the SANFL into a feeder competition just for the AFL.

The media's focus on the AFL comes at the detriment of the SANFL (despite, at times, just as many punters attend an SANFL round as a Port Power home match), where crowds and interest wane when trivial gossip stories dominate news broadcasts. Last year's SANFL grand final had 35,000 - more than any Port Power home game in recent years!
The SANFL is a great product. It's cheaper to attend, you can stand and share a beer with your mates, your kids can kick the footy on the ground at half time, you can walk onto the oval at 1/4 and 3/4 time to listen to your team huddle, you can find a car park and pay nothing, you don't have advertising forced down your throat, you can show passion and not get admonished by the politically correct, you can buy a pie and drink and not go broke, and afterwards you can walk into the clubrooms and meet your favourite player.

SANFL supporters do not want to see their competition massacred for the convenience of pay TV subscribers nor for the celebrity suits in football headquarters in another State. SANFL supporters have suffered enough and do not want to see their league clubs emulate the poor cousins of second-tier leagues interstate.

The SANFL IS Australia's second-strongest Australian Rules competition in Australia. The SANFL plays Australian Rules not AFL. The SANFL is a proud, strong community-based competition.

Our Pride. Our State. Our Football. Hands Off Our SANFL!"

The emphasis here seems to be about the 'armchair' critics, 'calls for' and media bias IMO.

[stan]

This is the first post I made to start this thread, Cutterman.

I agree totally with the sentiments of all of us who don't want interference with our league, but I'm still confused as to what we're actually protesting about.

The WAFL have resoundingly rejected the Reserves proposal and I don't know of anything else that's threatening us, except for the misinformed and irrelevant ramblings of Michelangelo Rucci pushing his own agenda.

So I'm interested in factual reasons why we think there's a threat, as opposed to just anti-AFL rants.

That's all I've been saying. Nothing has happened and IMO will happen in the near future to change that.

I respect your opinion and don't think we disagree all that much, so how about we agree to disagree about an impending threat of Reserves teams?

There is hardly a threat of a reserves team, lets be honest Adelaide is hardly a city of action now is it .

[Mr Irate]

Great post mopar dog,

"The SANFL is under attack again. Since the advent of the Adelaide Crows in 1991 and Port Adelaide Power in 1997 the SANFL has made many sacrifices for a national competition of Australian Rules football. Throughout its history the SANFL had free reign to operate as it saw fit.

Today there are many restrictions placed upon the local grassroots competition and many demands continue to be made as the corporate dollar, the media and television coverage tightens the noose around the SANFL's neck. With both the Crows and Power experiencing financial difficulties it is the SANFL that cops the blame particularly from armchair critics who have never seen a local game of South Australian football.

Now there are calls to destroy the SANFL, hand back the two AFL licenses (the SANFL paid top money for years ago), slash the salary cap, allow the Crows and Power field reserves teams and ultimately denigrate the SANFL into a feeder competition just for the AFL.

The media's focus on the AFL comes at the detriment of the SANFL (despite, at times, just as many punters attend an SANFL round as a Port Power home match), where crowds and interest wane when trivial gossip stories dominate news broadcasts. Last year's SANFL grand final had 35,000 - more than any Port Power home game in recent years!
The SANFL is a great product. It's cheaper to attend, you can stand and share a beer with your mates, your kids can kick the footy on the ground at half time, you can walk onto the oval at 1/4 and 3/4 time to listen to your team huddle, you can find a car park and pay nothing, you don't have advertising forced down your throat, you can show passion and not get admonished by the politically correct, you can buy a pie and drink and not go broke, and afterwards you can walk into the clubrooms and meet your favourite player.

SANFL supporters do not want to see their competition massacred for the convenience of pay TV subscribers nor for the celebrity suits in football headquarters in another State. SANFL supporters have suffered enough and do not want to see their league clubs emulate the poor cousins of second-tier leagues interstate.

The SANFL IS Australia's second-strongest Australian Rules competition in Australia. The SANFL plays Australian Rules not AFL. The SANFL is a proud, strong community-based competition.

Our Pride. Our State. Our Football. Hands Off Our SANFL!"

The emphasis here seems to be about the 'armchair' critics, 'calls for' and media bias IMO.

Direct from the facebook site Jimmy.....the author unable to post on here

[Jimmy]

Ah no worries, still a great post.

[CENTURION]

Great post mopar dog,

"The SANFL is under attack again. Since the advent of the Adelaide Crows in 1991 and Port Adelaide Power in 1997 the SANFL has made many sacrifices for a national competition of Australian Rules football. Throughout its history the SANFL had free reign to operate as it saw fit.

Today there are many restrictions placed upon the local grassroots competition and many demands continue to be made as the corporate dollar, the media and television coverage tightens the noose around the SANFL's neck. With both the Crows and Power experiencing financial difficulties it is the SANFL that cops the blame particularly from armchair critics who have never seen a local game of South Australian football.

Now there are calls to destroy the SANFL, hand back the two AFL licenses (the SANFL paid top money for years ago), slash the salary cap, allow the Crows and Power field reserves teams and ultimately denigrate the SANFL into a feeder competition just for the AFL.

The media's focus on the AFL comes at the detriment of the SANFL (despite, at times, just as many punters attend an SANFL round as a Port Power home match), where crowds and interest wane when trivial gossip stories dominate news broadcasts. Last year's SANFL grand final had 35,000 - more than any Port Power home game in recent years!
The SANFL is a great product. It's cheaper to attend, you can stand and share a beer with your mates, your kids can kick the footy on the ground at half time, you can walk onto the oval at 1/4 and 3/4 time to listen to your team huddle, you can find a car park and pay nothing, you don't have advertising forced down your throat, you can show passion and not get admonished by the politically correct, you can buy a pie and drink and not go broke, and afterwards you can walk into the clubrooms and meet your favourite player.

SANFL supporters do not want to see their competition massacred for the convenience of pay TV subscribers nor for the celebrity suits in football headquarters in another State. SANFL supporters have suffered enough and do not want to see their league clubs emulate the poor cousins of second-tier leagues interstate.

The SANFL IS Australia's second-strongest Australian Rules competition in Australia. The SANFL plays Australian Rules not AFL. The SANFL is a proud, strong community-based competition.

Our Pride. Our State. Our Football. Hands Off Our SANFL!"

The emphasis here seems to be about the 'armchair' critics, 'calls for' and media bias IMO.

Direct from the facebook site Jimmy.....the author unable to post on here

what, STILL? What did He do, murder someone?