GSFL Movements

[field of dreams]

I agree 'A Mum'. Thankyou. Its a 14 year old kid!!! He has obvious problems and needs support. He's an immature kid who needs help. Footy clubs and leagues have a responsibility also to support kids at a junior level, I'm pretty sure its becoming mandatory. Rather than hanging this kid out to dry and everyone taking pot shots at him a little support might actually make him realise that this behaviour is not acceptable. I dont condone what he has done, but I am also worried about the fact that he is so young, has been a repeat reported player, 4 times I believe, and there hasn't been anything put into place from the club or the league to support this kid in finding ways to manage his anger. Poor effort, ban him for 5 years, make him someone elses problem, poor effort.

Yes it is a tough one as the kid does need help, but when did that sort of thing become the responsibility of amatuer sporting clubs where the officials are just volunteers. From what has been written it seems bays did try:

Quote from the Encounter Bay President in the Times:
"In hindsight it would have been beneficial to all concerned if we had removed (the player) from the club when he first caused trouble as he has been an ongoing problem. However we spent many hours transporting, counselling and generally trying to provide something on which to base his life.
"A player of considerable talent, we were hoping for a positive response from him and it appeared for a time we were succeeding. Obviously that was not the case, but we feel that the obligation we have as a club to help produce responsible adults was one which we could not shirk."
And from Adelaide Now:
Jyrah, who has dropped out of school to work part-time at the Port Elliot Bakery, admitted he had an anger problem.
"I'm going to anger (management) classes now and hopefully I can think before I do silly stuff," he said.


The fact that the kid''s dad thinks he has been hard done by speaks volumes IMO.

[A Mum]

One thing I think we all can agree on is he needs 'help/counselling' especially given his age, and especially before he thinks his way of 'thinking/acting' is the norm and enters society as an adult.

And as the days go on looking at his facebook page etc the boys outlook on the situation he's in isn't any clearer/remorseful....

He's not really showing remorse - the paper quoted the one thing slightly remorseful he said.
The only thing he seems 'sorry' for is himself - in that he can't play for 5 years.
He can't get past the fact that 'its not his fault' he was just trying to break up a fight and got a yellow card for it - and not that his actions were very wrong.
And I think the whole 'Adelaide Now/Sunday Mail' story is trying to shift our thinking to 'poor kid' - so furthermore fuelling his 'poor me' attitude.

Probably all the thoughts and actions of an immature brain?

Anyway - I don't necessarily feel sorry for him - as actions = consequences - but I just hope SOMEONE gets him some help.
It seems that the footy club has already tried some form of counselling etc - so if true they can only be commended for that - what more can they do.
And he says in the article that he is now getting 'anger management classes' - so lets hope that's true.

2c worth.

[live_for_footy]

Lang. Creek too strong for Mclaren - 50 points 71
Strath to beat Enc Bay - 35 points 127
Victor to beat Goolwa - 18 Points 38
Willunga to beat Myponga - 75 points 45
Yank to hold on vs Mt.Compass - 7 points 54

Not too bad live_for_footy! I did say Victor and Strath by a few more though With some outs, no Massie/McGregor and a 10 goal loss last week I thought Strath would win comfortably but sure didnt see that coming - biggest margin of the year by some way.

Yank too good for Compass by the looks after being billed as match of the round.

So with one match to go till the half-way mark, we have the same teams in the top 5 as last year. Couple of big games next week with Yank taking on Creeks and Victor off to Willunga so second to fifth could shuffle around but Strath should sit atop the table.

Yes i should have changed the strath margin after finding out massie n mcgregor were not in the side...... however the bays usually put up some resistance and strath were un impressive the week before vs Mclaren so who knew what to expect.

[words of wisdom]

Sounds like the kid needs a bullet !!

Probably just needs guidance.
I mean what he's saying is extreme and not remorseful,
As hard as it is we probably have to remember that he is only 14 and probably (obviously) very immature.

I agree 'A Mum'. Thankyou. Its a 14 year old kid!!! He has obvious problems and needs support. He's an immature kid who needs help. Footy clubs and leagues have a responsibility also to support kids at a junior level, I'm pretty sure its becoming mandatory. Rather than hanging this kid out to dry and everyone taking pot shots at him a little support might actually make him realise that this behaviour is not acceptable. I dont condone what he has done, but I am also worried about the fact that he is so young, has been a repeat reported player, 4 times I believe, and there hasn't been anything put into place from the club or the league to support this kid in finding ways to manage his anger. Poor effort, ban him for 5 years, make him someone elses problem, poor effort.

How have the Bays hung him out to dry BF? He hit the ump and got let off lightly with 5 years. How about the kid gets back in school, takes the crap down off facebook, shows some remorse, accepts responsibility and then people may help him. Hes lucky that no legal action was taken by the ump, who is the victim, not the kid as his article made him out to be. If the kid only got a year suspension, what message would this send.....

[LuvsFooty]

Who's in the association team for this week? Who are we playing against? Where is it being held?

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I might be opening a can of worms here on the Association debate but it would appear that it has lost a bit of credibility with the current format.
IMO the Victorian Country Football League (VCFL) are onto a winner. Chatting to a few mates here in Victoria about the new format we have here and they love it. Not sure if something like this could happen in SA??

The format for the WorkSafe Country Championships changed in 2010 whereby each Major League was ranked based upon previous performances in WorkSafe Country Championships and all District Leagues were invited to be ranked and to participate.
The new format enables leagues to compete in one-off matches where winning leagues are promoted up the rankings and defeated teams demoted.

The format allows for 10 ‘blockbuster matches’ between evenly ranked leagues across the state and scheduled on one day.

Next weekend will be our own Super Saturday of Country Footy across the WorkSafe VCFL.


2011 WORKSAFE COUNTRY CHAMPIONSHIP FIXTURE

(1v2) Goulburn Valley FL v Ballarat FL Shepparton
(3v4) Ovens & Murray FL v Mornington Peninsula Nepean FL Frankston
(5v6) Geelong FL v Bendigo FL Geelong
(7v8) Hampden FNL v Murray FL Shepparton
(9v10) Gippsland League v Central Murray FL Morwell
(11v12) Bellarine FL v Sunraysia FL Donald
(13v14) Wimmera FL v Yarra Valley FL Woori Yallock
(15v16) Western Border FL v Geelong & DFL Mt. Gambier
(17v18) North Central FL v Mallee FL Donald
(19V20) Horsham FL v Heathcote DFL Horsham

This is a cracking idea. One player in one of the top ranked leagues (who actually was injured in one of these matches) rated it very highly and made comparisons to state of origin in its hey days. Everyone player wants to play and participation and excitement is unparalleled. There would be plenty of work to set the concept up and some heavy debate on initial rankings but this works brilliantly in Victoria, why not here? I for one would make the effort to watch my league play in such a format. Our association weekend is fast becomming a waste of a long weekend. This weekend is an example, I am hearing that the SFL has 2 separate sides? Are we taking on the best of the best or the 2nd side? And in the juniors we are combined with the RMFL. Would be hard to justify the selection of any RMFL under 15's after our 11 year dominance. Something needs to be done, the above mentioned format looks faultless to me.

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Sounds like the kid needs a bullet !!

Probably just needs guidance.
I mean what he's saying is extreme and not remorseful,
As hard as it is we probably have to remember that he is only 14 and probably (obviously) very immature.

I agree 'A Mum'. Thankyou. Its a 14 year old kid!!! He has obvious problems and needs support. He's an immature kid who needs help. Footy clubs and leagues have a responsibility also to support kids at a junior level, I'm pretty sure its becoming mandatory. Rather than hanging this kid out to dry and everyone taking pot shots at him a little support might actually make him realise that this behaviour is not acceptable. I dont condone what he has done, but I am also worried about the fact that he is so young, has been a repeat reported player, 4 times I believe, and there hasn't been anything put into place from the club or the league to support this kid in finding ways to manage his anger. Poor effort, ban him for 5 years, make him someone elses problem, poor effort.

How have the Bays hung him out to dry BF? He hit the ump and got let off lightly with 5 years. How about the kid gets back in school, takes the crap down off facebook, shows some remorse, accepts responsibility and then people may help him. Hes lucky that no legal action was taken by the ump, who is the victim, not the kid as his article made him out to be. If the kid only got a year suspension, what message would this send.....

Well said wow Completely agree

[Big Fulla]

I'm led to believe the kid had 4 tribunal appearances before this incident. That there is an indication that there is a problem and that intervention was needed after the first or second report. If I'm wrong about this I'll happily shut up.

Also, I never said I condoned the behaviour to strike anyone on a football field, whether it be an umpire or another player.

The issue for me is that he is a junior player involved in a junior football program, and according to the information I've received has been reported a number of times in the passed. Intervention earleir in the piece may have prevented a situation like this.

I'm looking at the overall scenario and hoping that people will identify the warning signs for their juniors in their clubs and leagues because once we register them and play them we have a responsibility for their well being and their conduct on the field, otherwise dont register them and dont play them to begin with.

[live_for_footy]

Top 5 players at your club at the moment, and top five in the league.......

[LuvsFooty]

Club:

Whiterod
D.McKinlay
Trent Griffen
Wilson
Ewer

League:

Munn
Maxfield
Carroll
Kellock
McGregor

[words of wisdom]

Top 5 players at your club at the moment, and top five in the league.......

Club - at the moment
Carroll
Princi
Meyer
Dan.S
W.Hutchinson
(Gaskin, Tomlinson, Challen, Howell, S.Hutchinson, Bennett are all out injured)
GSFL
Carroll
Maxfield
Iljesion (Hows it spelt?)
Kellock
M.Thomas

No order for either - Haven't seen Strath yet

[live_for_footy]

Strathalbyn

S. Munn
J. Eagleton
J.Hickey
S.Elliott
L.Button

League

Munn
Pratt
Maxfield
Hodge
Ewer

[Archer11]

Any news on who is coaching the GSFL against the SFL on Saturday? Do you have a list of the squad of players available.

[That Old Chestnut]

Strathalbyn

S. Munn
J. Eagleton
J.Hickey
S.Elliott
L.Button

League

Munn
Pratt
Maxfield
Hodge
Ewer

LFF I think you are following on from what the GSFL does most of the time when selecting the association squad and are selecting players on their history. Your original post said top 5 players at the moment and although I love the way he plays and love him in the team Matt Hodge is not in Victor's top 5 for form so far this year (compared to previous years) so i can't see how he made your top 5 for the league. For that matter LF only put Ewer 5th on his list for goolwa and yet you've got him in your league top 5. I take nothing away from the blokes you've named because they are great players but if you are going to ask for a top 5 players at the moment I take that as their current form? That being said and I can only go on what I've seen when teams have played Victor, here's mine;

Victor
Iljcesen
Brown
C. Simmons
Bell
Kruger

League
Carroll
Iljcesen
Munn
Mcgregor (creek)
Maxfield

[OnSong]

Strathalbyn

S. Munn
J. Eagleton
J.Hickey
S.Elliott
L.Button

League

Munn
Pratt
Maxfield
Hodge
Ewer

LFF I think you are following on from what the GSFL does most of the time when selecting the association squad and are selecting players on their history. Your original post said top 5 players at the moment and although I love the way he plays and love him in the team Matt Hodge is not in Victor's top 5 for form so far this year (compared to previous years) so i can't see how he made your top 5 for the league. For that matter LF only put Ewer 5th on his list for goolwa and yet you've got him in your league top 5. I take nothing away from the blokes you've named because they are great players but if you are going to ask for a top 5 players at the moment I take that as their current form? That being said and I can only go on what I've seen when teams have played Victor, here's mine;

Victor
Iljcesen
Brown
C. Simmons
Bell
Kruger
Hannemann

League
Carroll
Iljcesen
Munn
Mcgregor (creek)
Maxfield

[That Old Chestnut]

Strathalbyn

S. Munn
J. Eagleton
J.Hickey
S.Elliott
L.Button

League

Munn
Pratt
Maxfield
Hodge
Ewer

LFF I think you are following on from what the GSFL does most of the time when selecting the association squad and are selecting players on their history. Your original post said top 5 players at the moment and although I love the way he plays and love him in the team Matt Hodge is not in Victor's top 5 for form so far this year (compared to previous years) so i can't see how he made your top 5 for the league. For that matter LF only put Ewer 5th on his list for goolwa and yet you've got him in your league top 5. I take nothing away from the blokes you've named because they are great players but if you are going to ask for a top 5 players at the moment I take that as their current form? That being said and I can only go on what I've seen when teams have played Victor, here's mine;

Victor
Iljcesen
Brown
C. Simmons
Bell
Kruger
Hannemann

League
Carroll
Iljcesen
Munn
Mcgregor (creek)
Maxfield

Very Good point Onsong. Big oversight by me, he has been very good this year

[field of dreams]

LFF I think you are following on from what the GSFL does most of the time when selecting the association squad and are selecting players on their history. Your original post said top 5 players at the moment and although I love the way he plays and love him in the team Matt Hodge is not in Victor's top 5 for form so far this year (compared to previous years) so i can't see how he made your top 5 for the league. For that matter LF only put Ewer 5th on his list for goolwa and yet you've got him in your league top 5. I take nothing away from the blokes you've named because they are great players but if you are going to ask for a top 5 players at the moment I take that as their current form?

I agree entirely Chesty.
I initially stayed out of this because LFF said “at the moment” and it really depends what that means. Eg Whatman is a great player – won our B&F last year, but this year has been in the best players once. Similarly, we all know Hodgey is a star, but his form is well below what we know he is capable of. That said, if you were to tell me he couldn’t play next game for some reason, I’d be shattered.
So for Victor this year, I agree with Chesty:

D Iljcesen (has been a great all year)
T Brown (not far behind Ilj – does the job week-in week-out against the best forward. Only Braidwood has gotten the better of him)
C Simmons
J Bell
L Kruger (took a while to find his feet but going well now)

Others: Hannemann (done a great job in ruck against bigger, more renown opposition), Ryan (hampered recently but the game against Pongy shows what he is capable of), Parker (solid all year) and Saunders (after an ease in 3 weeks ago, his impact against Creek and Goolwa is obvious).

As for the other clubs, I don’t think we can judge them only seeing them once. Eg Everyone is raving about Carroll, but the day we played them I reckon Ryan, Bell and Kruger were all better than him. Willunga should perhaps figure prominently but haven’t seen them yet.
So the only ones I could really say are:
Iljcesen
Mcgregor (creek)
Brown
Munn
Maxfield

[LuvsFooty]

Not having Willunga players in the top 5 shows how even they are across the park. It also shows their big upside with the likes of Dobson, Thomas, Portlock just easing in to things

[words of wisdom]

Not having Willunga players in the top 5 shows how even they are across the park. It also shows their big upside with the likes of Dobson, Thomas, Portlock just easing in to things

Dont i count LF. Had Thomas in my top 5

[LuvsFooty]

Not having Willunga players in the top 5 shows how even they are across the park. It also shows their big upside with the likes of Dobson, Thomas, Portlock just easing in to things

Dont i count LF. Had Thomas in my top 5

Dale Thomas? Good one though, m. Thomas brained us 2 weeks ago

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Strathalbyn

S. Munn
J. Eagleton
J.Hickey
S.Elliott
L.Button

League

Munn
Pratt
Maxfield
Hodge
Ewer

LFF I think you are following on from what the GSFL does most of the time when selecting the association squad and are selecting players on their history. Your original post said top 5 players at the moment and although I love the way he plays and love him in the team Matt Hodge is not in Victor's top 5 for form so far this year (compared to previous years) so i can't see how he made your top 5 for the league. For that matter LF only put Ewer 5th on his list for goolwa and yet you've got him in your league top 5. I take nothing away from the blokes you've named because they are great players but if you are going to ask for a top 5 players at the moment I take that as their current form? That being said and I can only go on what I've seen when teams have played Victor, here's mine;

Victor
Iljcesen
Brown
C. Simmons
Bell
Kruger

League
Carroll
Iljcesen
Munn
Mcgregor (creek)
Maxfield

It would be interesting to compare the players the clubs are saying are in the best form compared to the players that are in the association squad.